Talk:Supremacism

Don't merge with 'triumphalism;' just retain the cross-reference.

As I pointed out over in the 'triumphalism' entry, they are truly two different types of things. 'Supremacism' is a term that is reserved for articulated, conscious doctrines. Supremacism also has an integral political nature, reflected in this entry's tight focus on the entitlement to certain rights as a defining feature of supremacist doctrines. Supremacism definitely belongs in the realm of political dogma or doctrine.

'Triumphalism,' on the other hand, is most frequently an unarticulated--even unconscious--assumption or attitude. It may be, but is not necessarily associated with any political course of action or goal. When we speak of triumphalism, we are discussing a sociological or psychological phenomenon.

In addition, 'Supremacist' is a badge of honor among true supremacists; they willingly describe themselves as supremacists. In contrast, 'triumphalism' is an observer's category. It is an adjective used by some to characterize the actions or attitudes of others--often meant to imply some measure dysfunctional delusion. No one labels him or herself a 'triumphalist;' no one explicitly advocates to increase triumphalism within his or her own group.

Crips and Bloods supremacist Groups?

Is it accurate to list the crips and Bloods aong the list of supremacist groups? to my knowledge the crips and blood are almost never refered to as a black suppemacist groups. Shouldn't then hispanic gangs be included in this list as well? or asian gangs? just because a certain race dominates a gang does not automatically make it a suppremacist group. If no further information can be provided i think they should be removed.

--The Crips is a street gang which originated in Los Angeles, California in the late 1960s. During the early 1970s, the gang grew and branched out to other parts of Los Angeles County. These new subsidiary or realigned existing gangs were known as sets, and they used the term Crips in their individual gang name.--

exert taken fron know-gangs.com there is no mention of the Crips being a suppremacist gang.

-The gang is largely composed of African Americans, but is multiracial in many cities (e.g. New York), where "satellite" Crip gangs are present. The gang has an intense rivalry with the Bloods. They are also known to feud with Chicano gangs.-

Taken form wikipedia article on crips. i gues the crips are a multiracial black supremacist group.

Phobias in See Also section?

Since a phobia is not necessarily a sign of supremacism, should phobia-related See Also links be in here?

Racial supremacism section still needs significant work, possible candidate for deletion

This article would benefit significantly from a discussion of the differences between supremacism, racism, nationalism, ultranationalism, chauvinism, and other related terms. I have a solid background in the study of extremism and have never seen "supremacism" as a unified topic, and a search through Google Scholar turned up no studies that attempted to give the term an overarching usage to multiple ideologies. That the link to Arab supremacy redirects to "Racism in Arab World" while previous editors included links to Indocentrism and Han nationalism, among other forms of in-group identification rarely described as "supremacism", speaks to the lack of clarity on supremacism as a distinct concept. My sense is that outside of well-established usages such as white supremacy and black supremacy, the "supremacist" designation is largely subjective and moral rather than based on any clear distinctions.

I reworked the racial section to bring the summaries more in line with the main articles for each, but relied on taking direct verbiage from those article so future editors should feel free to rewrite into fuller summaries. The main articles themselves had some major issues. For instance, the citation in the introduction to the White supremacy article is a review of an HBO series that, according to the citation, the director "explicitly calls 'a story, not a contribution to historical research.'" The timing of scientific racism, white supremacism, and colonialism is still off: the main article for scientific racism has its formalization starting with Linnaeus in the late 18th century, by which time colonialism was centuries old.

The piece also had a paragraph on "Jewish supremacism" as a variation of the International Jewish conspiracy. While this belief is common among white supremacists, allegations of an out-group's supremacist beliefs didn't seem to fit in an article about in-group supremacist beliefs, especially when the next section has a subsection on Jewish religious supremacism. There additionally was a paragraph on Indian and Chinese views of outsiders as barbarians and inferiors, but these were just stray quotes. The sinicization of Tibet and Xinjiang could fit the mold for an example of "Han supremacism" if anyone wants to tackle that.

I'll defer to editors more expert in the space, but without a clear distinction between supremacism and other forms of extremist in-group belief, we may want to consider deletion for this article. Nben7070 (talk) 15:02, 16 January 2022 (UTC)