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**Reviews of anime usually review the voices of the characters. These aren't simply dubs like in olden times, they actually put far more work into selection voice actors these days since if it doesn't sound right, if the emotions aren't there in the voices, then people won't watch it. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=53345 list all the roles of the person, with bold for the main characters. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC) |
**Reviews of anime usually review the voices of the characters. These aren't simply dubs like in olden times, they actually put far more work into selection voice actors these days since if it doesn't sound right, if the emotions aren't there in the voices, then people won't watch it. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=53345 list all the roles of the person, with bold for the main characters. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC) |
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**Anime Dub VAs are already significantly under-covered by secondary sources due to a combination of reasons I can only speculate on - but that already disadvantages them significantly over their animation/non-dub peers, and ofc - live action actors. This is a bad article which needs attention, amidst a sea of bad articles which need attention. I know for me, I've kept articles I've wrote to near-indisputably lead/main roles (when qualifying them for NACTOR, before writing them at all) - so I self-enforce a stricter interpretation already - but opening up that discussion would both be complicated, and as mentioned above, writing quality articles about them as things currently are, is difficult enough. As Dream Focus points out, times change - anime (and their dub VAs) have only grown more popular, but most importantly: have gained more significance for their work. [[User:Canadianerk|Canadianerk]] ([[User talk:Canadianerk|talk]]) 19:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC) |
**Anime Dub VAs are already significantly under-covered by secondary sources due to a combination of reasons I can only speculate on - but that already disadvantages them significantly over their animation/non-dub peers, and ofc - live action actors. This is a bad article which needs attention, amidst a sea of bad articles which need attention. I know for me, I've kept articles I've wrote to near-indisputably lead/main roles (when qualifying them for NACTOR, before writing them at all) - so I self-enforce a stricter interpretation already - but opening up that discussion would both be complicated, and as mentioned above, writing quality articles about them as things currently are, is difficult enough. As Dream Focus points out, times change - anime (and their dub VAs) have only grown more popular, but most importantly: have gained more significance for their work. [[User:Canadianerk|Canadianerk]] ([[User talk:Canadianerk|talk]]) 19:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak Keep''': While I hate articles that are "technically" notable on the basis of a few big roles but have no sources to back up anything, the article does pass [[WP:NACTOR]] per Link20xx. — [[User:BriefEdits|BriefEdits]] ([[User talk:BriefEdits|talk]]) 00:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Exclusively-voice actors don't get much publicity as a rule. Dulcie is not the exception, so WP:GNG is not satisfied. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:25, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete when the first reference in an article is literally a link to the subject's resume it is not looking good for notability, and things do not really improve from there.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. Please don't list real people at the "list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions". --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep while I don't deny that this is a poor article, I believe this person might meet WP:NACTOR #1. They appear to have significant roles as Smoker in One Piece, Kohji Takao in Neon Genesis Evangelion, Toshizo Hijikata in Golden Kamuy, and Doppo Orochi in Baki the Grappler. Link20XX (talk) 19:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Passes the subject specific guideline for voice actors, as Link20xx has stated. Dream Focus 14:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Basically no sources to establish notability. Esw01407 (talk) 15:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I think we need to stop applying actor criteria #1 to voice actors directly. Either that or we need to come up with a better more restricted understanding of "significant" in roles. There was a time when voice actors in some productions were not even credited. If people are not credited assuming they get notability from the role makes no sense. The rule was written on the assumption that the nature of the performance makes the person doing the performance in a significant way recognized for doing so. This happens in live action, it happens much less so in voice acting. Even less so when the voice acting is not connected with the original production but a new language production of the work.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:03, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Reviews of anime usually review the voices of the characters. These aren't simply dubs like in olden times, they actually put far more work into selection voice actors these days since if it doesn't sound right, if the emotions aren't there in the voices, then people won't watch it. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=53345 list all the roles of the person, with bold for the main characters. Dream Focus 14:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Anime Dub VAs are already significantly under-covered by secondary sources due to a combination of reasons I can only speculate on - but that already disadvantages them significantly over their animation/non-dub peers, and ofc - live action actors. This is a bad article which needs attention, amidst a sea of bad articles which need attention. I know for me, I've kept articles I've wrote to near-indisputably lead/main roles (when qualifying them for NACTOR, before writing them at all) - so I self-enforce a stricter interpretation already - but opening up that discussion would both be complicated, and as mentioned above, writing quality articles about them as things currently are, is difficult enough. As Dream Focus points out, times change - anime (and their dub VAs) have only grown more popular, but most importantly: have gained more significance for their work. Canadianerk (talk) 19:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep: While I hate articles that are "technically" notable on the basis of a few big roles but have no sources to back up anything, the article does pass WP:NACTOR per Link20xx. — BriefEdits (talk) 00:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)