Talk:Storm Elpis

Proposed merge of January 2022 Greek cold wave into Storm Elpis

In its current state, the cold wave article gives WP:UNDUE weight to Greece, (since the cold wave also impacted Turkey, Cyprus, Israel and other countries) and does not sufficiently describe the cold wave itself, rather talking more about the snowstorm, which is not directly caused by the cold wave, but by a mixture of frontal and convective precipitation collectively known as Storm Elpis. Uness232 (talk) 15:12, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

• Agree per above. --C messier (talk) 23:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Itsquietuptown ✉️📜 02:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

• 15:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Hi there , the article above that i created belongs to Historical cold waves 2022 . I dont think is historical to see snow in a mountainious region like Turkey or in Jerusalem at 800 meters altitude..seems to be someting very common the winter months... but for Greece south is extraordinary. I dont want to open fight against Turkey but if you think storm Elpis had huge weather impact in terms of Historical why dont you write your own article ? I wouldn't aggree with the total merge of my article with storm Elpis article , this could have it removed from the Historical cold waves of January 2022 page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pun89 (talk • contribs) 15:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

  Comment, while I'm having a bit of trouble understanding you, if I got it right, you're making a WP:GNG argument. I am not arguing that the cold wave would never deserve its own article, but simply that in its current state, your article is not easily differentiated from this one in terms of content, scope or end-goal.

  And also mind you, the cold was historic for certain regions of Turkey and the Levant as well, and while you'd be right that, for example, in Istanbul -9.1C isn't unprecedented at all (even though it still breaks a daily record), snow in Antalya (a city warmer than all of mainland Greece) definitely is. Uness232 (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

• Strong Draftity and Scope Change - I believe the January 2022 Greek cold wave should be draftified and have the overall scope changed. 12 Hypothermia deaths just occurred in Turkey, so the cold wave is still in effect, it just isn't only Greece. Maybe change the scope and title to be "Southeastern Europe cold wave" and I know that would be notable. Storm Elpis and the new hypothermia deaths qualify for the Weather of 2022 timeline, so notability (in general) is there. Would you be ok with that @Pun89:?

  Yes , it's true for Antalya , southern Turkey ,right ?Ok ok you want to merge the "greek cold wave january 2022" to "South Eastern mediterranean cold wave January 2022" ? Permission granted and sorry for the trouble .

Elijahandskip (talk) 01:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)