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On 30 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to The Conversation (film). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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King, Mike (2008). "The Conversation and Enemy of the State". The American Cinema of Excess: Extremes of the National Mind on Film. McFarland. pp. 58–59. ISBN 0786439882.
King, Mike (2008). "The Conversation and American Psycho". The American Cinema of Excess: Extremes of the National Mind on Film. McFarland. pp. 178–179. ISBN 0786439882. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erik (talk • contribs) 01:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Coppola comment

Source of the Coppola comment is the Region 1 DVD audio commentary.

Missing plot spoilers

I get the feeling that this is an attempt to avoid giving spoilers, which is exactly what I came to this Wikipedia article for. If that's the case, I shouldn't have to argue that this is misguided. Anyways, I did find a spoiler. I would update the article myself, but I haven't seen the movie.216.195.28.24 (talk) 03:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

will sort that out soon, thanks for pointing it out. Geoff B (talk) 09:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am wondering if the plot description of the ending can really be taken as straightforwardly as it is described. My interpretation is that Harry has gone nuts, doesn't really have a bug in his apartment, and that there probably was not even a murder. I'm not saying that should be taken as canon either, but should it not even be raised as a possibility? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.75.93 (talk) 12:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Sequal' (re: "Enemy of the State") should be taken out

While Gene Hackman's character Harry Caul is similar to his character Edward "Brill" Lyle in Enemy of the State, there has been no canonizing elements attributed by the producers of either film, despite some critics' comparison. Therefore, I would not use the title "Sequel" as it would confuse the reader. While there may be coincidental elements that may have been used, such as the identification badge Hackman's Caul wore being used as a legacy id badge used by Hackman's Lyle, there are too many elements that don't match up, including age, mental demenaor, medical condition (consumption of alcohol in Conversations by Caul contradicts Lyle's hypoglycemia), and career track. While it's not completely impossible that Hackman's two characters could be the same person, it is folly to call Enemy of the State a sequel to The Conversation.

Hey is it oke if I add some stuff regarding the films reception???? I don`t know how the whole English source citing works, in Dutch wiki we just have a source list, so if I make mistakes could you please help instead of undo my hard work that way wiki will never improve!!!! 62.45.130.67 (talk) 05:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Screenplay Development Timeline

There's a possible error in the passage about the film's production. If Antonioni's movie Blowup was 1966, and if, according to the quotation, Coppola saw it only "a year or two before," then it can't be true that the screenplay was completed in the mid-60s. Flagging this, but don't have time to follow up just now. Thank you. Eroston (talk) 18:15, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A bit of a 'cheat'

Careful listening to the phrase "He'd kill us if he got the chance" as spoken/played early in the film places virtually 'equal' emphasis on the key words "kill us", inferring (just) a possible threat to the speaker and his paramour. At the end of the film, when the phrase is heard, the word "us" clearly has heavier emphasis than the word "kill", inferring a different meaning, i.e., justification for the speaker to act first. Or, was this just Harry's perception of what was said? Tricky! Don't you just love what they do in movies?66.81.105.227 (talk) 04:23, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Box office

I'm new to editing Wikipedia, so please excuse me if I'm not approaching this properly, but I see a couple of brief edits that can be done to the box office section of this article. I think the edits show, rather than tell, and eliminate editorializing.

Could we rewrite to say the following:

The film made $4,420,000 in its domestic gross on a $1,600,000 budget. Coppola's The Godfather Part II, also released in 1974, grossed more than $47,500,000 domestically on a $13,000,000 budget.

"The Godfather Part II". http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=godfather2.htm. Retrieved Feb. 26, 2015.

Thoughts? Vivatheviva (talk) 18:07, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, feel free to make the edit yourself! There's really no need to discuss such a simple edit. To be precise the first sentence still needs a source though, but don't worry about it. I'll include the ref for that in the infobox template myself. Heinerj (talk) 20:21, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying! I will go ahead and make the change. Like I said, I'm new to this. Vivatheviva (talk) 06:24, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No alternative end mentioned?

Why is the alternative end not mentioned at all? Harry is arrested for the alleged murder of his girlfriend Amy and her alleged lover after their dead bodies where found in the hotel room, where the director was murdered. Any clue? VINCENZO1492 23:56, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good detailed summary, maybe could become a link?

http://www.filmsite.org/conv.html Marcin862 (talk) 20:17, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 30 September 2021

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 09:39, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Conversation → The Conversation (film) – My bot and I just changed 150 instances of [[The Conversation]] to [[The Conversation (website)|The Conversation]]. There are only 140 articles linking to the article about the film. Since new additions of [[The Conversation]] could be either about the film or the website, I would like to have The Conversation be a redirect to Conversation (disambiguation). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Vpab15 (talk) 18:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For convenience: 3-year pageviews analysis about all "The Conversation" articles [1] adapted from the previous (failed) RM at Talk:The_Conversation_(website)#Requested_move_31_January_2019. No such user (talk) 12:16, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Changed three new links from The Conversation to The Conversation (website) today. GoingBatty (talk) 13:07, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Support The Conversation be a redirect to Conversation (disambiguation). The website/magazine/journal is a niche academic thing that is very attractive as a secondary source in many Wikipedia articles, while remaining obscure for more readers. No primary topic for “The Conversation”. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:23, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cautious support. The ~~ngrams~~ pageviews show some 3:1 ratio for the film versus all other "The Conversation"s which makes it borderline primary. Still, the disambiguation factor described by the nom, plus the fact that it's borderline ambiguous with all other "Conversation" entries, plus that the film is not quite The Godfather league tip the balance just enough to move. No such user (talk) 13:42, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Meh: The Wiki internal linking problem isn't entirely coupled to the article title. My suggestion would be to change all internal links for the film to [[The Conversation (film)|The Conversation]]. Any new links to [[The Conversation]] can then be checked periodically to see where they were intended to go. That approach does not require the film article title to actually be changed. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support there are a lot of subjects though this does get the most views. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is the primary target. Also the most notable use of "The Conversation". ~ HAL333 21:43, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The film gets considerably more page views than the similarly named articles combined. The film itself was also well-received, which furthers the case for it being a primary topic in terms of importance. The above comments supporting the move don't exactly make a strong case for doing so. -- Calidum 15:42, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Film has been notified of this discussion. Vpab15 (talk) 18:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong support. The title is borderline generic, and there are numerous reasonably significant matching titles. BD2412 T 02:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it seems likely there is WP:NOPRIMARY, and, at the very least, disambiguating all will yield clearer usage statistics in a few months after the move. We can always re-evaluate after we see those results. -- Netoholic @ 02:43, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Hugely influential film, primary topic. Binksternet (talk) 02:45, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, the film remains the notable primary, and per discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:01, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The Conversation → The Conversation (film) – This is a very generic title, and there are several articles of the same name and likely more to come. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support per my arguments last time. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment :Sorry, I didn't see the previous discussion, but strongly support moving this article. The Conversation website is heavily used, and while the film is notable, the title is very generic and there are likely to be more articles with this name appearing over time. And, as time goes on, older films do lose their popularity as a target, however worthy. Also, a bit US-centric. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:05, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 [[:The Conversation]] → {{no redirect|The Conversation (film)}} – This is a very generic title, and there are several articles of the same name and likely more to come. [[User:Laterthanyouthink|Laterthanyouthink]] ([[User talk:Laterthanyouthink|talk]]) 09:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 *'''Weak support''' per my arguments last time. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  09:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Comment''' :Sorry, I didn't see the previous discussion, but strongly support moving this article. The Conversation website is heavily used, and while the film is notable, the title is very generic and there are likely to be more articles with this name appearing over time. And, as time goes on, older films do lose their popularity as a target, however worthy. Also, a bit US-centric. [[User:Laterthanyouthink|Laterthanyouthink]] ([[User talk:Laterthanyouthink|talk]]) 10:05, 8 February 2022 (UTC)