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Section size for Women in Islam (105 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	5,277	5,277
Sources of law	1,180	8,131
Primary	3,574	4,495
Al-Nisa'	921	921
Secondary	2,456	2,456
Gender roles	7,717	47,237
Dress code	10,919	19,638
Clothing materials	168	1,865
Silk	1,697	1,697
Public versus private appearance	2,540	2,540
Religious objections to the modern ḥijāb	1,987	1,987
Effect of globalization on Muslim women's couture	2,327	2,327
Family	732	3,979
Pregnancy, childbirth, and breastfeeding	1,938	1,938
Motherhood	1,309	1,309
Gender segregation	9,549	9,549
Salah	3,253	3,253
Transport restrictions	29	3,101
1990–2017 Saudi ban on women driving	3,072	3,072
Female education	627	29,075
The classical position	4,115	4,115
History of women's education	5,989	5,989
Women as educators	2,063	2,063
Traveling for knowledge	1,343	1,343
Famous muhaddithat	32	1,833
Zaynab bint al-Kamal	1,801	1,801
Current situation	13,105	13,105
Female employment	2,587	15,988
History	5,896	5,896
Modern era	7,505	7,505
Financial and legal matters	4,729	59,148
Financial and legal agency	35	2,649
The classical position	2,614	2,614
Property rights	5,577	5,577
Economic equity	1,475	1,475
Sexual crimes and sins	32	12,900
Zina	7,020	7,020
Qazf and Li'an	1,506	1,506
Rape	4,342	4,342
Witness of woman	9,221	9,221
Domestic violence	22,597	22,597
Love	656	11,687
Romantic love	5,762	5,762
Love of women	5,269	5,269
Beauty	1,527	3,116
Female beauty	1,589	1,589
Marriage	64	76,548
Legal framework	3,946	3,946
Marriage ceremony and celebrations	1,081	1,081
Historical commonality of divorce	2,361	2,361
Polygyny	6,873	6,873
Polyandry	1,356	1,356
Endogamy	5,479	5,479
Forbidden marriages	2,381	2,381
Age of marriage	4,632	4,632
Interfaith marriages and women	6,512	6,512
Behavior and rights within marriage	6,244	6,244
Sexuality	57	29,273
General parameters	1,144	1,144
Sexual satisfaction and frequency of intercourse	1,374	1,374
Foreplay	1,299	1,299
Simultaneous orgasms	6,468	6,468
Female genital mutilation	1,202	1,202
The classical position	1,953	1,953
Islamic perspectives on FGM	4,876	4,876
Initiatives to end FGM in the OIC	3,719	3,719
Recorded prevalence of FGM in the OIC	875	875
Contraception	2,801	6,306
Female infanticide	3,505	3,505
Divorce	4,487	6,346
Obligations during divorce	1,859	1,859
Menstruation	2,587	2,587
Shrines and mosques	1,324	14,638
The Virgin Mary	5,848	5,848
Hala Sultan	1,937	1,937
Sayeda Zainab	2,354	2,354
Fātimah al-Ma'sūmah	673	673
Rabi'āh al-'Adawiyyah	933	933
Ruqayyah bint Ali	1,569	1,569
Religious life	7,125	8,884
Sufi female mystics	905	905
Current female religious scholars	854	854
Politics	3,368	25,241
Female heads of state in Muslim-majority countries during the modern era	4,275	4,275
Female legislators in Muslim-majority countries in the 21st century	11,917	11,917
Muslim women and Islamophobia in non-Muslim majority countries	5,681	5,681
Sport	3,260	4,846
Islamic Solidarity Games	1,586	1,586
Comparison with other religions	3,476	11,653
Eve's role in the Fall	2,850	2,850
The Virgin Mary	1,050	1,050
Polygamy	4,277	4,277
Notable women in Islam	30	18,997
Saints, scholars, and spiritual teachers	4,545	4,545
Female converts to Islam	12,729	14,422
Female conversion literature	1,693	1,693
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Conservatives and the Islamic movement	3,967	3,967
Liberal Islam, Islamic feminism, and other progressive criticism	4,243	4,243
See also	857	857
References	17	3,002
Citations	29	29
Sources	2,956	2,956
Further reading	1,878	1,878
External links	1,799	1,799
Total	359,667	359,667

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Requesting patience

Greetings & welcome to Eninaa

@1Kwords and Anachronist: I suppose Ian (Wiki Ed) is Wiki guide to the education programme for new student editor Eninaa, who seems to be confused about citation style. It seems Eninaa instead of using citation tool from edit menu is referring to last reference number in reference section. We can request Ian (Wiki Ed) to guide Eninaa about using easy citation tool.

I suppose we other users can afford to give time to Ian (Wiki Ed) and Eninaa to communicate among themselves and accommodate new user's suitable edits with patience and little more effort.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 06:31, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping Bookku. I left them a message on their user page about how to reference properly. I'm guessing they're working from a draft that's off-wiki. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen similar mistakes happen on other articles (see my message here). I think Bookku's "requesting patience" title is apt. Let's be welcoming to the WP:NEWBIE. Perhaps they will return as a permanent wikipedian after their course.VR _talk 22:12, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

From the course page it seems the students receive training in wikipedia editing (which I never did) so I don't consider them regular newbies. If I had to take a guess, there are already plenty of editors with a background in US academic humanities. A Thousand Words (talk) 05:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added a vague tag to Eninaa's addition. A Thousand Words (talk) 05:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bookku checking the source of Eninaa's edit which added the "Cultural Norms" section, it consists of Quranic Surah #4. Imho taking a WP:PRIMARY religious text and using it to write some form of analysis would, imho, be something akin to WP:OR original research, as no established expert in the field has come to these conclusions or presented this as a coherent analysis of the religious text. What do you think? A Thousand Words (talk) 19:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's not a good addition. Maybe there were other sources for that text, Eninaa? VR _talk 21:38, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Voxcanis, Ian (Wiki Ed), and Helaine (Wiki Ed): In perspective of above discussion, you might be having some fallback systems for crosscheck and corrections, may be we are not aware. If students mention their ref list at least on talk page or their user page itself other helpful editors can have a look at it.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 03:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At this stage I think it would be very appropriate if the courserunners for student's course would take the time to respond. Although I think Bookku is right in encouraging patience, I still think a week's time is ample time for courserunners or student to respond. Meanwhile, I have added an Original Research tag to the section. A Thousand Words (talk) 08:23, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Morr0028 and Vxngo: Would it be possible for you, to request your faculty and batch mates to take note of the above discussion and respond. Thanks

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 10:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Undue

I'm noticing that there's a tendency to give WP:Undue weight to certain aspects of women in Islam. For example, there was already a section in the article on "Interfaith marriages", but 1Kwords created a second section on "Interfaith marriage ban for Muslim women". The sentence they added was an exact duplicate of a sentence already in the article: "Historically, in Islamic culture and traditional Islamic law Muslim women have been forbidden from marrying Christian or Jewish men, whereas Muslim men have been permitted to marry Christian or Jewish women." VR _talk 14:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, didn't notice the sentence was already in the article. Thanks for pointing this out. A Thousand Words (talk) 12:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I missed the info in the "Interfaith" marriages because I was looking at the Marriage / Forbidded marriages section, which says nothing about Muslim women beng banned from marrying any but Muslim men. That section should mention this since it's a form of a ban. A Thousand Words (talk) 13:02, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summarystyle

The prose of the current article is 141 kB. That's about 2-3x larger than WP:SIZERULE. Which means we need to start summarizing sections here (WP:SUMMARYSTYLE) and moving details to child articles. A similar effort is taking place at Talk:Islam#Article size needs reducing.VR _talk 03:49, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Expecting reasonable effort towards at least reasonable participation of Women users in women related discussions and not to hurry up discussion closures til then.

- Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
- Demand women's participation in decision-making at all levels
- Equality of women and men under the law; protection of women and girls through the rule of law
- Recognition of the fact that distinct experiences and burdens of women and girls come from systemic discrimination
- Ensure that women's experiences, needs and perspectives are incorporated into the ... social decisions.

Thanks

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 06:12, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is this wikipedia policy? Also, how would we know if female wikipedians have participated? Wikipedia doesn't force anyone to reveal their gender.VR _talk 14:50, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Who knows better than yourself that even if given best policy scriptures humans get involved in technicalities, rituals, make novel interpretations but remain always first to forget spirit, merit and need of evolving with time to become more inclusive.

It's not even days for a newbie student I kept formalities on side though edits were far from perfect. If we inculcate spirit and look forward to merit then more inclusive policies can develop.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Review the term

‎The article is about Women in Islam every where including Turkey, instead of Islamic one can use word Muslim majority country. But term 'Islamic nations' appears several times in the article that need to be reviewed. Instead of 'Islamic nations' term 'Muslim majority countries' can be included that will help include technically secular but Muslim majority countries.

But again if we see in historical terms there were some Islamic states where Muslims were in minority, again in muslim women have been there in non Muslim majority countries too so some places as per context better term would be 'Muslim world'. IMHO

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 04:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 : It's not even days for a newbie student I kept formalities on side though edits were far from perfect. If we inculcate spirit and look forward to merit then more inclusive policies can develop.
 :[[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39;]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 15:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
+== Review the term ==
+‎The article is about Women in Islam every where including Turkey, instead of Islamic one can use word Muslim majority country. But term 'Islamic nations' appears several times in the article that need to be reviewed. Instead of 'Islamic nations' term 'Muslim majority countries' can be included that will help include technically secular but Muslim majority countries.
+But again if we see in historical terms there were some Islamic states where Muslims were in minority, again in muslim women have been there in non Muslim majority countries too  so some places as per context   better term would be 'Muslim world'. IMHO
+[[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39;]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 04:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)