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Women in Red World Contest

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January 2020 at Women in Red

January 2020, Volume 6, Issue 1, Numbers 146, 148, 149, 150, 151, 153 Happy Holidays from all of us at Women in Red, and thank you for your support in 2019. We look forward to working with you in 2020! Online events: New: Activists / Public domain / Geofocus: Central America / Year-long campaign: Sports! Continuing: 2019 deaths / #1day1woman Editor feedback: Help us plan our future events at the Ideas Cafe Join the conversations on our talkpage Social media: Facebook / Instagram / Pinterest / Twitter Stay in touch: Join WikiProject Women in Red / Opt-out of notifications

Hope for 2021

take courage

Thank you for improving article quality in December, and good wishes for a time of transition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda Arendt. I appreciate the encouragement. Wishing you and yours a lovely holiday season. May we all have a better 2021. SusunW (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, and have a good new year 2021, full of articles about overlooked women! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I think I may just have 1 article for the year, but it's a huge project, women's nationality. I may take a break from it and do a few women just to break up the tedious legal searches, as I can already tell you that searching legal history, in a foreign language is really, really hard. SusunW (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Luminarias	Happy Holidays!
	Hi SusunW, May your holidays be merry and bright, and hope you have a happy and healthy 2021 Netherzone (talk) 15:13, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much Netherzone. May you and yours have a lovely holiday season as well. SusunW (talk) 15:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

If angels sung a Savior’s birth, On that auspicious morn, We well may imitate their mirth, Now He again is born! If stars in heav'n shone bright as day To light the manger throne, We should rejoice as well as they That love doth reign alone. All Glory be to God on high, And to the earth be peace; Goodwill henceforth from heav'n to men Begin and never cease. - "Milford" by Joseph Stephenson, text anonymous

--Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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Women in Red | January 2021, Volume 7, Issue 1, Numbers 182, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188 Online events: New: Climate and environment | Public domain Contest (Jan-Feb-Mar): Africa contest Year-long initiative: Women's rights Continuing: #1day1woman | Women who died in 2020 Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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DYK for Marie-Louise Lacoste

On 30 December 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marie-Louise Lacoste, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the diaries of Lady Lacoste, a 19th-century philanthropist from Montreal, give historians a rare look into how emotions impacted the lives of women in her social class? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marie-Louise Lacoste. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Marie-Louise Lacoste), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

This one made the monthly list with over 5,500 views! Yoninah (talk) 00:16, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

It always amazes me when that happens. Thank you for all of your work and best wishes for a fruitful and stressless 2021, Yoninah. SusunW (talk) 05:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

A wish for the new year

A quote from Gargantua and Pantagruel by Rabelais; it is taken from the manuscript of Jules Massenet's opera Panurge, in the composer's own hand. It is my greeting of choice for the new year, because it encourages us to live joyfully, and try not to take life too seriously...while quaffing whatever beverage we choose, naturally. This has been a challenging year, to say the least; I hope that 2021 may bring a fresh start, and better days ahead. May the new year bring you joy and peace...and many days of fruitful editing.

--Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 22:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Gracias, mi amigo. Hoping that it brings far less stress than this one did. Happy New Year. SusunW (talk) 23:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations on the No. 16 DYK hook of 2020!

The 2020 totals are now complete, and your hook for Beulah Ream Allen and her story of survival at Japanese internment camps ranked as the No. 16 hook of the year with 1,769 DYK views per hour. A list of the 25 most viewed hooks of the year can be viewed at "Top hooks of 2020". Congratulations on your hook's remarkable showing, and keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 10:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

QAI

That's great! - I tried to give 2021 a good start by updating the QAI project topics. Please check and correct, - did you know that - at five years - you belong to project's "oldest" active members? For moar private "happy new year" see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Proud today of a pic I took. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

... and today Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Promotion of Women's poll tax repeal movement

Congratulations, SusunW! The article you nominated, Women's poll tax repeal movement, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Ealdgyth (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Congrats, Susun! If you like I can do the nom for you. Any specific date? 8 March? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt! I read this and my mind went, did I nominate the last one? How did I do that? Now I recall that you did that one too. Yes, please, and 8 March would be fabulous. I so appreciate your support and willingness to help. SusunW (talk) 14:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

First step taken, adding to WP:TFARP, no competition yet for the day. The real nomination can come once 8 February will be scheduled. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

You are the best! Thank you so much Gerda Arendt. Your support and encouragement are genuinely appreciated. SusunW (talk) 15:25, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

This step is very easy. For the nomination, It would be nice - unless the introduction is already of the right size - To prepare a blurb of mas o menos 1,050 chars in some some sandbox, or the article talk page. It depends a bit on image and image size how much is left for text. - This was perfect timing, as I just archived the TFAs of 2020, and the page looked a bit empty ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I seem to recall that last time as well some wonderful person wrote the blurb and all I had to do was review it. I'm hoping that will happen again, because I am truly buried in nationality. But, I'll check as we get closer and if it hasn't happened, I'll put something together. SusunW (talk) 17:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

(blushing) I did it again. Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Women's poll tax repeal movement. no idea how a 1918 poster can be for a movement that began in the 1920s ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Maybe we just use the poll tax receipt? Whatever you think is best. I'm a bit overwhelmed caring for my sister at the moment, but should be back to normal by the end of the week or so. SusunW (talk) 16:58, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

A bit of snow from Alaska to cool you down on this Monday

Alaska Snow

Not from my area but it's not far off from what I see on the trails. Our snow is about two to three feet deep in most places. It's pretty compacted on the trails but less so outside of them. The dogs love it!! Their discipline is about the only thing keeping me out of a snow drift (LOL). Our house looks like a giant pile of snow right now. These pesky flash blizzards keep piling it up. It's -2f and we may sneak up to 0 or 1f. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 19:51, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

You are far tougher than me. I am freezing and have on flannels, socks, a sweater, and a blanket. My hands literally (per my housekeeper) are ice cubes. It's hard to type, they are so cold. 25C/77F is no bueno and that's the outside temperature. In the house because of the drafts and foot thick walls, it's at least 10 degrees below that. I am miserable. Come on spring! SusunW (talk) 20:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't mind Spring/Summer. I get to make my wildflower salads again and pick wild berries. Travel can actually be more difficult with the thaw but we manage. Girl, we have wood stoves in every room and fireplaces all over the house (LOL). It's still right around freezing if you get far away from the heat source. My brothers new house has central heating though. It's pretty ingenious. If it 40f in one room its most likely 40f in every room. That's nice, especially in the bathroom which has next to no heat source in our house. I'd make the trip over every time I had to go but there's a lot of white stuff between us and by the time I got the dogs hitched up I probably wouldn't need to go anymore. Ah, life in arctic Alaska!!! Such a joy! --20:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I think my brain just said "Nope, we done" on that last sentence (LOL). --ARoseWolf (Talk) 20:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I have no heat in any room, except that provided by blankets or a lap cat. If I can just make it to February, we'll be back in the 80s and I'll be functional. LOL SusunW (talk) 20:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

We may not reach the 80's during Summer. That's not to say it doesn't get hot up here. Just to our south and east temperatures around 100f are not unprecedented. We are pretty protected from that. Still it can approach 80f during the warmest portion of Summer. Persephone, my cat, hates the cold here. She sleeps right next to the fire or nuzzles her way under my blankets at night. #SOSPOILED #EMPRESSKITTY #MADAMEPERS --ARoseWolf (Talk) 20:53, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

My female cat, Mouse, is always under the blankets in winter. The boys, Yoda and Rusty, like me, sleep on the bed instead of in their hammocks. Thus, one can always tell if it is December or January here. Otherwise, we're all in a hammock, as the air circulates all around and through it keeping you cool. SusunW (talk) 21:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I need a hammock with a fire under it. Roastie-toastie Asareel is the way to go. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

OMG you make me laugh! SusunW (talk) 21:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I do have a heater, as in one, singular heater. I am, right now, sitting at the computer with a blanket draped over the desk, myself and the computer and the heater under my feet blowing "heated" air. My toes and fingers are still chilled to the bone!!! That's the way we roll when I'm on here (LOL). Mama has to stay warm. My daughter climbs in here with me often. It becomes a party with her, Persephone and myself crammed under this blanket tent but I don't mind (LOL). --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

(a friendly pagestalker) Hello Tsistunagiska and Susun. Mostly, I am always cold. When I took a (forced) work transfer to Las Vegas in 2009, my boss told me that either I'll survive through the summer or I won't, in which case, I'll need to leave. I laughed; she was clueless how much I would enjoy summer in dry desert heat. Now I live in the Sierra Nevada foothills and when I feel cold, I wrap myself in an electric blanket and "chill out". When I do "zoom" calls, often, I am sitting on an electric heating pad. As a child, I used to wonder why my mom always wore tights, but now I get it. Sending you both warm wishes. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I hear you Rosie. I'm always cold unless the temps creep up to 90-100. My perfect range. You know it is cold today, because my sister, who is always hot, is in a sweater. Probably the rain...why are we having rain in the dry season? Hope you are feeling better. SusunW (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Rosiestep I think it is safe to say you are always welcome in any of our conversations, Rosie. I know Wikipedia isn't a blog but it's about the only outside interaction I get these days, except occasional emails with the family. I have travelled to many places, both warm and cold. I woke up one day and told my parents I wanted to go on a trip. Off I went, little money, no mode of transportation. Just a young woman with wide eyes and a hungry heart to see and know the world. For months I travelled the US. I had so much fun meeting people and spending time among them even if it hurt me a lot, which it did. Experiencing the world different is both a curse and blessing. LA was amazing. San Francisco, as I remember it, was gorgeous. I also went to Philadelphia and New York. I met Will Smith in Philadelphia. He was doing a community benefit for local youth recreation centers. New York was so amazing this time around. The sounds were like a symphony of music and colour. I call life my rainbow because that's how I see it through my eyes. Flashes of light, colour and sounds. Oh wow, that year spent living in Nepal with my brother. Such a rich cultural history and it felt so ancient yet so relevant. Then there was the trip to Saint Petersburg, Russia. I love being among the people. One of my favorites was getting lost in Barcelona and staying lost among the locals. I was treated to some amazing food but, oh, soaking in the culture like a sponge was by far the best. People. People just do not realize how amazing and diverse and beautiful we are and can be. I keep getting told I need to write a book on my many adventures. Maybe I'll get around to it one day. I still have far too many adventures to experience first. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 22:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Nepal and Saint Petersburg -- they are on my bucket list. Awesome that you got to experience them! That's sort of the story of my life, traveling makes for the best of me. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Rosiestep I haven't travelled very much over the last few years. I did take my daughter and niece on a road trip, back in 2019, from Fairbanks, Alaska to the place we used to live near Bozeman, Montana. My Papa and Mama used to take us on an annual road trip back. Our trip was over 7,000 miles as we drove through Canada to Montana to Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, Idaho and back to Montana before coming back through Canada to Skagway, AK., hopped the ferry to Haines and visited with some friends for a few days before driving back to Fairbanks. I got very sick towards the end, and I had to go to Juneau to be checked out by a doctor there but everything was fine. The boat ride back to Haines was another story. The only available vessel was the ex-husbands fishing trawler. Thats another story for another place more private though (LoL). I enjoyed the trip but it took a lot out of me. I haven't really travelled much since. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 15:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

That's a long road trip, Alaska to Montana, plus Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, Idaho! I've done a few of those myself, both in the U.S. and abroad. Sometimes, I like to stay put and sometimes, "If it's Tuesday, it must be Belgium", seems to work just fine. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I did it primarily to encourage my girls (daughter and niece) to spend some time just experiencing independent life. My niece doesn't know it but I had talked to her mum about funding her a trip to Europe before all of this Covid happened. It's been put on delay, obviously, but I really hope to do it eventually. It's hard as a "parent" to let go. My Papa, my actual blood uncle who adopted me, cried when I went on my first trip abroad. He was a very shrewd and business like man but soft and tender. He demanded excellence but also gave us room to make mistakes and didn't punish us harshly when we made them. He would talk the situation through with us using minimum words and more listening. I have never met a man like him in my entire existence. Some come close but none like him. I was his favorite but don't tell my siblings that (LoL). I also acknowledge I was probably not his favorite but needed more attention because I was so wild and free. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

My aunt, whom I call Shahrezad, gets the blame for my travel bug. She taught music to Haile Selassie's kids and grandkids. She would come home to Oklahoma and tell these amazing tales of her travels. She went to every place on the globe--was in China when it was closed, Cuba when US citizens were banned, met cannibals in the Pacific and South America. (Funny thing is she calls my husband and I brave because we travel together, alone. She says she never traveled without a group and security, but to me, she was/is the amazing one.) I had a passport before I could talk. This pandemic has been hard, as it is probably the longest time I've ever stayed in one place without traveling. We never plan more than the coming and going of a trip. As Rosie says, we let it unfold, i.e. somedays we decide to move and others we don't. SusunW (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

For me it was my paternal grandmother. Sometimes we called her Nonna but she was my Bubbe. Her mother escaped Germany with her during WWII. My grandmother was just a baby. I was just a baby when I came to live with them. I think she kind of understood what it was like living without family. She didn't want that for me. So, she became my partner in crime (LoL). So many times she stretched the rules, other times just plainly ignored them, but she got so much enjoyment out of seeing me experience life. My eldest brother suspects it's because she saw her youngest son, my father who committed suicide, living through me. Maybe that's the case but regardless we had a strong bond and I miss her a lot. I believe she lead me to my daughter whom I met the night she passed. She taught me to live the kind of life that I wouldn't believe anyone could live if I didn't live it myself. I've tried to do just that. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Wilma Elizabeth McDaniel

Hi Susun. I just read an interesting biography about a woman writer from Oklahoma, Wilma Elizabeth McDaniel, and thought you might enjoy reading it, too. This really touched me, "At age eight, she began to write on scraps of paper, envelopes, and grocery bags, storing them away for later publication." --Rosiestep (talk) 21:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Rosiestep Such a small world. I just flipped over to her bio. Depew is a really, really small place and practically everyone who lives there is related. My great-grandparents lived there. SusunW (talk) 21:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Wow! Small world, indeed. Are you familiar with Greenridge? I couldn't find an article for Greenridge, Oklahoma, so didn't link it, but maybe Greenridge is referring to something/somewhere else? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Rosiestep Never heard of it, but school records are extant. Oilfield country, so it may have been somewhere once but no longer. Lemme see if I can find anything. Searching is easier than typing, because my hands are so cold. SusunW (talk) 21:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Besides the e-mail I sent you, Rosiestep I checked Oklahoma Place Names and I think you are correct that it isn't/wasn't a town, village, etc. Probably the name of a school somewhere, but I checked school names in Chandler, Stroud, Depew and Lela and didn't come up with anything. For kicks and grins, I put in Drumright and got this! Green Ridge School between Depew and Stroud, at R 7 E (top) and 3 (rightside coordinates) in Creek County. (Note all the oilfield dots.) SusunW (talk) 18:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I have found that a lot of these old places that people associated with were actually railroad stations. Sometimes the station was simply named after the operator or a landmark. Even schools popped up around them and took on the name. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 19:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Tru dat, or not even a station, just a stop. In this case, it really helped to know about the area. The towns she lived in were all oilfield towns, so knowing the larger ones was critical for searching. Many of them no longer exist, thus the place names book is invaluable. I looked it up in my personal copy, but found one on line to share with Rosie. SusunW (talk) 19:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Susun. I updated the biography with the info about the school. Note, her biography was created 14.5 years ago by an editor (User talk:Sierradave) who pretty much disappeared thereafter. Now that's too bad. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Requesting your inputs

@ SusunW,

New year Greetings and hello again.

If you remember one of our previous discussion related to difficulties in including Journal citations, the same day a new issue came before me and to discuss similar thing again immediately would have been tiresome so I waited for a while.

In following section Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları#Partisan coverage of slavery in modern Turkish textbooks I have taken note of a Journal article by Turkish professors 'Avarogullari's, who have mentioned in their article itself that they found their own college students found unaware of slavery in Turkish history, so they did research Turkish school books and wrote the Journal article. When serving professors in Turkey themselves write a critique, in principle as independent editors we may have good faith in those professors (So I believed).

But some user placed a maintenance template {{unreliable|section=yes}} and message on my talk page claiming quoted journal believed to be predatory. Personally I do not see any issue other than article and the journal has not been cited enough by other reputed journals up til now.

I don't know of much about journal but looking at content of research article I don't feel any reason to doubt good faith of researching professors.

As I said earlier there was a case where in Doctors in Pakistan army's hospital came out with a research article or a Pakistani university professors came out with a research article , or Iranian professors came out with a research paper admitting some limitations in own community / country then is it really not possible to give a chance to their points rather than create an information black out just because they did not talk from platform we (WIkipedians) suppose to be standard one?

Rather than deleting content or using template {{unreliable|section=yes}} I have written following alternate template text (by drawing parellel of Template:Current).

{{Notice|Following article content is based on currently available source/[https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1200418 journal] to present probable state of the status/information. ::Since authors of given source/ journal are critical of state of affairs in own country, present information from cited source/ journal is included, assuming good faith about authors, with presumption to have at least partial measure of reliability. ::Information may be updated as and when new sources corroborating or otherwise becomes available, and initial source/journal may have limitation of lack of corroboration or review or citations from other sources or limited circulation of the journal. ::Please feel free to improve this article or discuss changes on the talk page. }}

For example I am also working on another Draft:Hermeneutics of feminism in Sikhism and there are few more such drafts I am working on. Is it possible to source and retain content by finding such some recourse, because there are many small small communities again rights activists and feminist professors getting standard international platform is not always possible.

Is it possible to try above kind of template as a test case?

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 06:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

This is not my area of expertise, but I would simply ask Headbomb who tagged it. Our coverage on the topic includes Predatory publishing and Wikipedia:Vanity and predatory publishing. But a list is maintained and I looked for the journal World Journal of Education and the publisher Sciedu without finding anything. The web provider of the article, ERIC does appear on the list and I vaguely remember a discussion between Headbomb and Megalibrarygirl about the site, but not what the discussion was about. ERIC is a digital library (Mega is a librarian) sponsored by the United States Department of Education, so I am unsure why it would be on the list. But be that as it may, neither the journal nor original publisher appear, thus it seems to me the source is not unreliable, if that is based on who hosted the article. As I told you before peer reviewed is the criteria we are hoping for and this profile indicates that it is. (It also indicates that there are other providers of their content, but most appear to be behind paywalls.) Let's see if Headbomb can provide clarification. SusunW (talk) 15:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The World Journal of Education is published by Sciedu Press, a well-known predatory publisher. Likewise OAJI is an illegitimate site giving fake impact factors, and is garbage. That things are hosted on ERIC does not change anything about the origin of the scholarship being predatory (see also Wikipedia:Vanity and predatory publishing#Use in the real world vs use on Wikipedia, which is of relevance here). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll take the opportunity to plug in WP:UPSD as a very useful script here, and it will highly both doi:10.5430/wje.v8n6p82 and the above OAJI link as problematic. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your input Headbomb I am curious why neither are on the WP lists I highlighted above? We certainly cannot expect editors here to know the back story on every journal in publication, so the script is very useful. Thanks. Bookku, I'd recommend installing the script. SusunW (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

If you mean why neither are on WP:JCW/W17 and WP:JCW/E24, the short answer is that neither |journal=ERIC nor |journal=World Journal of Education were used in the mainspace as of the last WP:DUMP (i.e. 1 January 2021). For ERIC, that's normal and good, since it's not a journal. For World Journal of Education, that's also normal and good, since it's not a legitimate journal. Likewise if you restrict yourself to the WP:CITEWATCH subsection of WP:JCW. Both the general WP:JCW compilation, and the WP:CITEWATCH-subcompilation will only pick up things that are in the mainspace as of the last dump. If things aren't cited, they aren't picked up. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Headbomb, I have the script installed that you told me about so I can see the highlights. I don't remember the name of the script. Can you add it here for Bookku and SusunW to look at? With ERIC I double check the stuff it has indexed now. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: See WP:UPSD linked above. Or here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks Megalibrarygirl for the input. He gave the installation link above and I installed it. SusunW (talk) 18:43, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Headbomb Thank you!!! I have found the script really useful. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Cabin fever

It's one of those weeks and its showing. We had a storm pass through earlier in the week and the snow is built up so high in the valley we had to dig our way out of the house just to check on the dog's, Jack and my brother's family. Everyone is safe but I've been stuck in the house unable to go out for almost five days now. It's -19f, right now at mid day, so yeah, it's that time of the year I looooooooove the most. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 20:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, I feel you. Still cold here but warmer than yesterday. 25C/77F, so at least my brain is able to function. My hands and feet still feel like ice cubes, but if I can hold out until Tuesday, it's supposed to get into the 30C/80Fs. I cannot wait. SusunW (talk) 20:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I just want to go outside and see the light. Most of my windows are covered by snow (LoL). --ARoseWolf (Talk) 20:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Come visit. I have tons of light and you will probably think it is toasty in comparison. SusunW (talk) 21:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

You should definitely not tempt me like that (LoL). I'm packing now!! --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Front part of the house has a separate suite with a bed/bath, so you can quarantine for 2 weeks in comfort. LOL SusunW (talk) 21:36, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

OMG!!! I'm on my way and bringing my bathing suit, though I'm a bit more modest than some. I'll wear a shaw with it. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

The gulf is about 15 minutes away by taxi or I am sure we can find a pool. No natives will be swimming in their pools now, far too cold for us. SusunW (talk) 21:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Katherine Loker

On 16 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Katherine Loker, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Katherine Loker donated $30 million each to Harvard and USC, and millions more to develop university, medical, and cultural programs in California? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Katherine Loker. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Katherine Loker), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Citizenship of ancient Athenian women

As I was looking into background for our priority on Classicists, I came across Citizenship and the Social Position of Athenian Women in the Classical Age. A Prospect for Overcoming the Antithesis of Male and Female. I don't know how far back you want to go in your article on nationality but it is interesting to see the status of women has a long, long history. There's also an interesting bibliography. Just let me know if you need any further help on nationality. Hope your sister is feeling better.--Ipigott (talk) 12:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Ipigott. We managed to get round the clock nurses scheduled but I'm still checking in a lot until we are sure that her sugar levels are stable and that she is comfortable with the new helpers. It's triply (is that a word?) difficult as she couldn't move without help, is a type 1 diabetic, and was the primary caregiver for her husband who has dementia. She's able to walk short distances on the new hip now and we have finally figured out a food schedule that is keeping her sugar levels more stable. (Medicine plays hell with the levels so the same insulin she was taking before she fell wasn't working to keep her levels in the normal range.) Poco y poco. We are making progress.

Anyway, I am hoping to be back to my stuff regularly in a few days. It's of necessity been very hit and miss for a couple of weeks. I have feelers out on the Dutch system for Guyana, Suriname, and their islands. And have put out queries for Belize. That will leave me with the British and Danish holdings in the Americas. (I haven't done the French ones, but I understand the system, having worked through Haiti). I was hoping you could help me with Greenland, Iceland and the Virgin Islands. But, I am not there yet and am trying to finish up the Spanish colonies first. The Greek piece is interesting and I'll add it to Europe's section. Haven't even begun to think about that part yet. SusunW (talk) 13:30, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Need any ice? I could break you off a few 'cicles.

Woke up to -37F/-38C and the high is only -35F. Friday's high is looking to be in -40's and the low Friday night is around -52F. Wanna come up for a snowball fight in that? lol Love ya and hope you are well. My time here will be limited for a while. --ARoseWolf 18:33, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska Not on your life. Try to stay warm. SusunW (talk) 18:55, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:05, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Can't believe it because it feels like yesterday that we met! - I have a woman on the Main page, Libuše Domanínská, we should start a few more for March, will do Doris Stockhausen next. - Best wishes for care-taking of your sister! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Its a better place with you here Victuallers (talk) 09:50, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt and Victuallers: Thank you both. She's getting stronger every day. We go for a follow-up on Tuesday and will make plans from there. I am hoping soon to be back to editing regularly. SusunW (talk) 14:09, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge fourth anniversary

		The Bronze Maple Leaf Award
		This maple leaf is awarded to SusunW for writing six Canadian biographies during the fourth year of The 10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 19:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda's October corner

October songs

I uploaded new pics (click on songs), including "our" concert (after exactly two years without) and a cow sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Kind of wish I was on that pond right now. We have some big thick snowflakes falling today. You can hear them hitting the ground. I'll be out harvesting starting tomorrow so I'll be in the snow all day and pretty much all weekend. Ariana was outside catching them on her tongue and ended with more on her face but the snow is a good source of fresh water. Sure you don't want some of this snow? --ARoseWolf 18:29, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, not a chance. 80/26 here today and lovely. I'm more likely to be hanging at Gerda Arendt's pond, which is gorgeous. SusunW (talk) 18:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

35/2 here for a high today. We'll be in the negatives next week and may not pop above freezing until Spring again. It's typical for mid to late October. Day light is starting to really drop off too. I agree that lake is gorgeous. I picture myself in a small boat wearing a late victorian summer dress sitting under a lace parasol umbrella reading a book. --ARoseWolf 18:42, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I imagine! Today: DYK #1700, and I uploaded more images, mostly blue and green, for hope. You can probably imagine who translated the DYK article. Send him praise, perhaps? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Today, mostly black&white, and standing upright as Psalm 15 says --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I love your color schemes. SusunW (talk) 21:23, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Today: see yourself, read about a hymn praying to not be on earth in vain, about a comics artist whose characters have character (another collaboration of the "perennial gang", broken by one of us banned), and in memory of the last prima donna assoluta, Edita Gruberová. I had to go to two grave sites last week, one who died now, one who died 10 years ago, so standing upright and in black seems appropriate. More colours - but subdued - can be had on hikes, - updated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for all you do, Gerda Arendt, not just the writing but the constant encouragement of others. I appreciate you and your constant presence. SusunW (talk) 15:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Today: a scandal, and more fall colours, including a short sermon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you can help me because a composer died (on his 103rd birthday), and it's all in Spanish. Any help welcome, including to check if some may be copyvio, because it reads a bit like not only translated but also copied. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm on it Gerda Arendt, but I am still drinking my first cup of coffee, so I'll be slow. SusunW (talk) 13:02, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much, and no rush, and now even a ref in English. I'll be out now, and will see if we can nominate him for Recent deaths later today. Udo Zimmermann died 22 Oct, and was ready the same day, and appeared 25 Oct, - that's what we call recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, Gerda Arendt, I think I've done what I can do. I took out that long list of works as it appeared to be a copy paste and also took out the source Ecured, because I couldn't tell if it was curated and because it appeared to be a copy paste of another work, which I did cite. I did note from other pieces what are considered his most notable pieces. Let me know if I can do anything else to help. SusunW (talk) 18:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

What's the weather like down there today, Susun? --ARoseWolf 18:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf Good to see you here. Hope all is well. Beautiful blue skies, sun, hummingbirds in the garden and 26/79. We'll probably have rain around 5, as is typical for an hour this time of year. SusunW (talk) 18:20, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

It's good to see you too. That sounds lovely. I think I may go there in my mind. We have just a touch of sunlight today but the temperature difference wont be great from high to low which means more snow soon. Its -7/19 right now and the high will reach -5/23, low will be around -9/16. I suspect the last running surface water will be frozen solid after this next dip. Later this week we will be very close to -2/-18 for a low before it warms back up. I know how absurd that sounds, The warm spell will see it only get into the low 20's. Hummingbirds sound nice about right now. --ARoseWolf 18:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea how you can survive there. I would struggle mightily. SusunW (talk) 18:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Honestly, it's all about survival and planning and planning for the things you planned to go wrong and planning for the plan that you planned when your plan goes wrong to go wrong, et cetera, et cetera. I will admit that you can go a little crazy up here so if you wonder why I am the way I am, well, there ya go (lol). --ARoseWolf 18:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Anyway, for warmth of hearts: memories in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

significant day in many respects --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Unity Dow

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Your GA nomination of Unity Dow

The article Unity Dow you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Unity Dow for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mujinga -- Mujinga (talk) 15:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

You write you really want the image slot for the DYK - how about this slight crop? I think it would look better at 110px.

Compare the original: --GRuban (talk) 13:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

GRuban you are a magic man. I really wanted to use the lede image, it speaks to me. But my husband insisted this one is the one to use because she looks friendly and like a writer. LOL Thank you so much. SusunW (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Miriam Soljak

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ITN recognition for Alfredo Diez Nieto

On 27 October 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Alfredo Diez Nieto, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 03:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

You did that so well, Susun! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Glad to be able to help, Gerda Arendt. SusunW (talk) 13:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Miriam Soljak

The article Miriam Soljak you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Miriam Soljak for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of DanCherek -- DanCherek (talk) 17:40, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Miriam Soljak

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Australian nationality law

Just checking that you are aware of this - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Australian nationality law/archive1. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Gog the Mild, I didn't know. I took October off from the legal articles and am struggling to keep myself on task with them. I have 22 more African ones to write and that doesn't even touch Europe or Asia, which I haven't started. I would prefer not to spend the time in a lengthy review, but if you are asking me to review it, I will. The last one took almost a month to clear and I have a GA review that has taken over a month and is still not approved. (I need to invoke a two-week rule, if you cannot finish in that time, I will ask someone else because I have to move on. {devil horns}.) SusunW (talk) 20:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Greetings. No, I'm not. I didn't want it to go through with you ignorant of it, nor for reviewers to put a lot of work in if when you found out about it you were going to give it one look and speedily oppose. Feel free to ignore it. I believe that I have already offered to take over any GANs which are, umm, how can I phrase this? Actually I can't, you'll have to guess what I mean . Gog the Mild (talk) 21:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Gog the Mild Thank you. I have briefly looked this one over. The issues with the previous nom, i.e. confusion over terms and citations to law rather than secondary sources, do not appear to be an issue this time around. That was what took the most time to resolve, so I think he gained insight from the previous FAC. And yes, I know what you mean. In my head, I have invoked the two week rule of my new personal policy. We'll see what happens next week. SusunW (talk) 21:15, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

It's that time again.

Winter break is looming, Susun. I will miss you sorely when I shut this down but I will return in the Spring. I look forward to seeing all that is accomplished and facing a renewed focus and a return to editing in main space. Please stay safe and know that I care deeply for you and my wiki-friends here. --ARoseWolf 20:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Asareel, stay safe, warm and healthy. With any luck, I will have finished Africa by the time you emerge and be well on the way through Europe, but who knows. I put the quilt on the bed last week and have resorted to my sweater. These 20/70 degree temperatures are reminding me that winter is nearing. Fortunately day temps are still around 28/82, so I am not yet miserable and my fingers can still type. SusunW (talk) 20:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Next week will be our first negative Fahrenheit temps for highs. Wednesday it will be -2f for a high and -9f for a low. We may not hit the double digit highs again until Spring. It is a marathon until then. I will be fine and stay as warm as I can. --ARoseWolf 20:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I look forward to your return in the spring and will celebrate you with the colors of my garden each time I go there (50 times a day, at least), while you are freezing up north. Mayhaps when you return we will find an article we can collaborate on. SusunW (talk) 20:33, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh wow, I would so love that. I will keep that in my heart all Winter. The thought of collaborating with you on an article warms my heart so much it might melt the icecaps. That made my year. I need to be careful (lol) (for the sake of the Polar Bears I'll keep it together). I look forward to it with gleeful appreciation. --ARoseWolf 20:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Good morning, my friend. Popped on to see you are still pushing out incredible articles. I am so impressed by your efforts and wish you continued success. You are an amazing editor and such a positive for the encyclopedia. Keep doing you. We hit the negatives hard to start this week (-21f right now). It's just barely snowing outside. Hard to believe it was actually warmer around midnight. The wood stoves are cranking out the heat so my toesies are warm. I have a few hours to do some things on here so I'll get to being productive. Stay safe! --ARoseWolf 14:42, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Good to see you on here. I thought of you last night when I was freezing! Temps here were 15.5/60 and it was awful since we have no heat. Hope you are staying safe. I've been incredibly busy here, but not making much headway on nationality. Today I am trying to focus there. SusunW (talk) 18:27, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

You do what you can. I'm the same. We are all coming from different paths and different directions pull on us all day. I'm pretty sure I came on today because you thought of me last night. I will say that we, sometimes, need something new to break our focus so we can refocus. If you being busy on something new has caused that break to help you to refocus then it was worth it. Regardless, just allow your creative mind to flow like a lazy river rather than force and push it like rapids off a waterfall. It's in you, it's part of who you are. I have read your work here and studied your words long enough to know the creative person you are. My words are just an encouragement to continue your focus and provide context for you. This isn't just how I see you, it is you, it is your vibrations and your strings which play your Song in everything you do and are left on everything you touch like a fingerprint. --ARoseWolf 18:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge fifth anniversary

		The Bronze Maple Leaf Award
		This maple leaf is awarded to SusunW for writing the biography Marie-Louise Lacoste during the fifth year of The 10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 16:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Reidgreg! I found her to be fascinating. I love to learn and often find I learn more from writing than I possibly impart, but I think that is the nature of writing. SusunW (talk) 17:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Epiphany

January songs

in friendship

Happy new year, in friendship! - Epiphany seems like a good day to say so, after a Bavarian peasants' mass (sorry, on the train home, no recent pics of that - just keep watching), and two DYK, even with a pic I took. I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Thank you. Things may be finally taking a positive turn in the real world. I very much appreciate your continued encouragement. SusunW (talk) 21:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! 2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt I am doing the happy dance too. Finally finished Africa, just made Zimbabwe live. I am going to reward myself with writing an article about a woman :) SusunW (talk) 22:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

congrats, and happy dance is pictured here ;) - update: we have now Guseva pictured, Biller picured better (but still not on the Main page), and one more day of my pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

OMG Gerda Arendt, I love, love, love that cat photo! I am happily researching and writing about a fascinating South African/Zimbabwean woman! So appreciative for all of your work, but the dancing cat is inspirational. SusunW (talk) 17:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I feel the same about it! Just don't think I made it, - that credit goes to someone else. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Eleanor Kirk

I am so happy that you pointed me to familysearch.org. Just today, using it, I finally sorted out the many names associated with Eleanor Kirk (Eleanor, Ellen, Nellie, Maria, Easterbrook, Easterbrooks, Child, Hubbell, Ames) who even this month is the subject of a Springer article, e.g., not forgotten. Anyone perusing her Wikipedia biography after reading the paywalled Springer article will have a clearer understanding of this woman's tough personal life (5 children and widowed 3 times before she was 40) and will appreciate that she used only 1 pseudonym. You're the best! Thank you! --Rosiestep (talk) 20:07, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I am always glad to try to help Rosiestep. So happy that you found the site useful. SusunW (talk) 20:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

February with Women in Red

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Women in Red Barnstar

		The Women in Red Barnstar
		For your drive and dedication to improve articles on nationality law and women's rights in Africa. TJMSmith (talk) 17:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you TJMSmith, it means a lot coming from you. I truly appreciate your gnoming of them, as the technical aspects are beyond my ability. Clive Parry and Laurie Fransman could use articles if you are looking for subjects ;) and I promise I will need help with categories and such when I finish Stella. SusunW (talk) 18:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

And then there is her son...[1],[2][3],[4],[5][6],[7][8] SusunW (talk) 19:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

TJMSmith, thank you for working your magic on the categories and for your copyedits. I put her dob/dod in Wikidata, but not much else. The "who" was Richard Mahomva,[9] which is yet another redlink. Writing her definitely illustrates how poor our coverage of Africa really is. SusunW (talk) 16:02, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Six years!

fits well here ;) - I just added a woman to my Feb plans, to get ready for March, and nominated a woman for TFA (the article was written before I joined, the same is true for Cosima Wagner, planned for later this year). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt. Hard to imagine it has been six years. I am hoping to get Stella through GA for March. I appreciate your hard work and encouragement. SusunW (talk) 16:58, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Good luck with the GA plan! I have one on the Main page, pictured DYK, interesting history, - see my talk, written in memory and collaboration. I also managed to upload the vacation pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

February songs

frozen

my joy - more on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Lovely. SusunW (talk) 21:23, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Payback!

You're justly proud of your research skills - even if they are usually about dead people - and advertise them on my talk page. So, here is a hopefully simple question, even though it's about a live person. At least it's a woman! Nikki Amuka-Bird. Two Guardian articles [10] [11] say that her father, Sam, was editor or founder of the Vanguard newspaper in Lagos. Our Vanguard (Nigeria) page says it was founded by Sam Amuka-Pemu with three friends. Note the similar but slightly different last name! I'm almost sure that he is her father, but it would be embarassing to find out that there was actually a different Sam among the other three founders. Would you be able to track down a definitive source that settles the matter one way or another? And if you find any other good sources about Nikki Amuka-Bird along the way, please do say, our article about her could use expansion. (I admit, I've an ulterior motive. I was on the losing end of an RfC about that article, and though it's not a huge deal, it has been on my mind at times.) --GRuban (talk) 00:39, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

GRuban My initial read through is that her mother is Patricia Bird and her father is Sam Amuka. Our article on this Double-barrelled name is pretty poor, but in my experience in the US the woman's surname is typically first and in Europe typically last and hyphenated, so that in both cases the man's surname is the indexable? name, i.e. Jane Doe marries Joe Roe in the US would be Jane Doe Roe and in much of Europe would be Jane Roe-Doe and you would index it as Roe, Jane D. or Roe-Doe, Jane. In England it has to do with status (doesn't everything) so they don't follow those norms, and even in places where there is a norm, it isn't typically law except in Spanish tradition countries and France. But, Nigeria was a British colony, so it could be different.

First, the Vanguard dude is definitely Samson Oruru Amuka-Pemu[12] and is often referred to as Sam Amuka[13] or Samson Oruru Amuka[14] In this one, his mother's name is given as Ariteshoma Amuka-Pemu (née Okoro)[15] and as Ariteshoma Abeji Amuka-Pemu (née Okoro),[16] but she is usually shown as Teshoma. What we know from that is that his father's surname was Amuka-Pemu and thus those are two surnames probably status related. (No clue what his name is, was shown repeatedly as Pa. Amuka-Pemu). Back to Nikki. She says in the first Guardian piece her mother owned the Body Shop in Antigua and died "just over a year ago" (it was January 2018, so in 2016?). This confirms she was Patricia Bird, but isn't a RS. Give me a second to come back...computer issue. SusunW (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

GRuban That same article says they went to Antigua on vacation when she was seven and her mom decided to stay, so we are looking at circa 1983, a virtually impossible search time in the Caribbean. I tried newspapers.com and the Antigua Observer for an obit for Patricia, get nada. Tried newspaperarchive.com for "Body Shop Antigua" and "Patricia Bird, Antigua", and in the Jamaica Gleaner (the most widely distributed paper in the Caribbean) for "Patricia Bird", get nada. The only place I know (or used to know) that has newspapers from the 1980s for the Caribbean is the University of Florida, but they have changed their search engine and it is virtually useless. I tried the https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk for an obit, but the most recent year it gives is 2000. There's a ton of hits for Nikki in the main WP Library Search, so possibly wading through them would give more? 2 last comments, I see nothing other than that dead Canadian article that makes any reference to more founders of the Vanguard other than "Uncle Sam", he's a legend in Nigeria from everything I've read. Both Sam and Nikki have lots of records in archive.org. Bottom line, lots of due diligence here, but is there a single source that says her father is Sam Amuka and mom Patricia Bird? — not that I have found. SusunW (talk) 17:44, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

User:GRuban/Yulia Tolopa

All right, thanks for looking. If you want, you can look over User:GRuban/Yulia Tolopa - especially the article organization, I'm not at all sure the Personal life and Citizenship sections are the right way to organize things, or that the right sentences are in each. Even besides the citizenship, it has another angle that could have made it into an article you could have written (if only she were dead). (Yeah, you would have known from the start: "female military friend"; I'm so naive.) I think I'm almost done with it, except for not having images. I wrote her, asking for them, but, she's probably busy with the current existential threat and all. I wrote another photographer who might release some, but that's even less likely. Meanwhile I'll see about stubbing out more red links in Stella Madzimbamuto. --GRuban (talk) 19:36, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

GRuban It's lovely! I made some edits to Yulia Tolopa. The first decree (No 120) was a special nationality rule. The actual Statute requires residency of five years to apply for naturalization. No. 120 required foreign veterans to have a three-year residency. It didn't grant/confer nationality, just said they could apply under specific requirements. Zelenskyy's decree actually conferred nationality upon 14 specific people pending receipt of their documents. (From that point, they were nationals, but couldn't be given permanent passports until their documents were received. Thus, to my reading her nationality wasn't in jeopardy, except if she could never provide the documents. Typically a presidential decree cannot be ignored, but apparently migration services never issued the temporary 2-year passports?) When the passports expired, veterans accounts were frozen and the president authorized a law to be drafted for an extension of the time-frame. He didn't apply for a renewal of the law, as it wasn't a law, but a presidential decree. Finally, she resolved the renunciation bit by going to court. If you disagree with any of these changes, feel free to revert. SusunW (talk) 22:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Now that's lovely! Before your changes, I didn't really understand what was going on there, and the sources that I used didn't go into nearly the kind of detail that you did. (I suspect they may not have completely understood it either!) I am so glad I asked you. I suspect you may be one of the few people on the Wikipedia that really understands this stuff. Thank you so much! --GRuban (talk) 22:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I am glad I could help, especially since you are always using your magic wands to help me GRuban. As I said before, it's complicated. Definitely helps that I have been writing nationality law articles on here for two years. ;) SusunW (talk) 22:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Actually - can I ask you for a bit more clarification? I've been using the word "citizenship" throughout the article, and you basically changed it to "nationality" throughout one section. Should that be replaced with "nationality" throughout? Or are there places where "citizenship" is correct? It really doesn't seem to be a clear distinction in our articles. For example, where it says she was suggested to make a sham marriage to get citizenship - our article sham marriage says "to get ... citizenship rights for one of the spouses". Is "citizenship" or "nationality" correct in that context? Even the article you linked to, Ukrainian nationality law: "Ukrainian nationality law is the law that governs the acquisition and loss of citizenship of Ukraine." Is that correct in that context, or should that be "... of nationality of Ukraine"?--GRuban (talk) 22:36, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Ooh - there's even an English language source, "Zelenskiy Grants Citizenship to 14 Foreigners Who Defended Ukraine's Territory", that's Radio Free Europe. Is that an exception, or are the words often used interchangeably, even if incorrectly? Would it be worth a cited sentence or two to clarify the situation? --GRuban (talk) 22:42, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

GRuban I blame the Brits, who Laurie Fransman, (the Home Office calls him the expert for the UK) says often use the two words synonymously. Given their impact of colonization, their misuse has become widespread. Allan Rosas also confirms the legal distinction, as do probably 50 other sources I could provide if you want. SusunW (talk) 23:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Maybe "... refused Ukrainian nationality (often colloquially referred to as Ukrainian citizenship) ..." and make the section title "Ukrainian nationality / citizenship"? --GRuban (talk) 22:52, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

GRuban It should be nationality throughout because you are talking about belonging, not rights. (Remember I told you I haven't worked on Europe yet.) I think if you read the lead in for example Zimbabwean nationality law you will get it. But legally, the two are not the same. Citizenship is the rights and obligations you exercise or owe under domestic law while within your country and usually are defined in a series of statutes, like the Civil or Family Code, Electoral Law, Legal Code, etc. There are a multitude of agencies and departments that control compliance at various levels, like federal, state, and city. Each nation has only one nationality law and it defines who belongs to that nation under international law. It typically has only one organization that monitors it, Immigration Services, the Foreign Office, etc. Besides being international vs. domestic, nationality is conferred from birth, but citizenship cannot be exercised until majority. And one can be a national and either have full citizenship, limited citizenship, no citizenship, or sub-national (state/province, territorial, municipal, etc.) rights as well. SusunW (talk) 22:55, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

OK, then I'll probably do that - change it to nationality throughout, except for the section title and a "often colloquially referred to" sentence, when I can find a good source explaining the difference. Meanwhile - gads. Re-reading the events, I begin to hate the Ukrainian State Migration Service with a passion, even though I've never actually been to Ukraine. That was a true Kafkaesque nightmare. And it looks like it didn't just affect her, but at least a dozen, and likely more, heavily armed and likely traumatized veterans. I'm surprised one of them didn't show up at an SMS office and start shooting. --GRuban (talk) 23:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

GRuban I cannot tell you how many times I have had to take a break from writing these laws because it just enraged me what states did to their own nationals. I e-mailed you 4 sources that should help. I'll be back tomorrow if you need more. SusunW (talk) 23:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

GRuban This unmuddies it nicely, I think (my [additions]): pp 755-756 the definition "Nationality here is distinct from citizenship and nationalism in that it refers not to an individual's domestic political rights [citizenship/rights] or to a sense of belonging to a national community [nationalism/ethnic identity] but instead to an international legal status that allows one to claim and be claimed by a state [nationality/belonging]. SusunW (talk) 16:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I changed all possible uses of "citizenship" to "nationality" that weren't direct quotes, added an explanatory note, and pushed it live: Yulia Tolopa. Please take a quick look to see if I did that wrong. --GRuban (talk) 05:15, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

GRuban It looks good! Would be a lovely article for DYK on March 8th, as clearly she is an international woman. SusunW (talk) 15:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm worried she may not live that long. I know you're not in the US, but here, we have a constant drumbeat of "Russia is about to invade the Ukraine any minute", and if that happens, her life expectancy is not the highest. --GRuban (talk) 16:20, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I definitely got the sense of that when reading the article. The news here is definitely less reactionary, but I read US news too. Dire situation for all Ukrainians, IMO, but her risk factors escalate her danger exponentially. Yet another reason a DYK for her would be good, puts a "face" on the conflict, which for many is simply something happening "over there". SusunW (talk) 16:39, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Stella Madzimbamuto

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Stella Madzimbamuto you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Caeciliusinhorto -- Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 19:01, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Caeciliusinhorto. I look forward to collaborating with you to improve the article. SusunW (talk) 19:07, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

There are a lot of prominent red links, especially in the lead. The hospital, the husband, etc. Would it be a good idea to at least write stubs for those? --GRuban (talk) 19:41, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

GRuban Wouldn't that be lovely, but I am 100% incapable of writing a stub. I was kind of hoping that as it is Black History Month that the sea of red might encourage others to write articles. I am also really torn, as I really, really need to work on the nationality project if I am ever gonna finish it. Perhaps I could post on Women in Red to see if there is any interest? SusunW (talk) 19:47, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I can do stubs. They won't be very impressive, but they will not be red links. --GRuban (talk) 20:24, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Bless you! See above note from TJM for some sources on her son and Richard Mahomva, if those interest you. There are two links on McCord Zulu Hospital in the article, plus our 1935 book find. SusunW (talk) 20:27, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Looks like you got the GA even with the red links in the lead, congratulations! Anyway:

• McCord Zulu Hospital is a 2-sentence stub. It's a hospital, it's got a good source. If someone else wants to expand it, more power to them.
• Daniel Madzimbamuto is a reasonable short article; nowhere near your quality, of course, but tells you a reasonable bit about the person. I actually kind of like the progression of the children's names, that's interesting to me. And has the photo!
• Ladysmith Provincial Hospital is still a red link despite my best efforts - I just couldn't find any sources besides directory listings and the hospital's own site (actually, I don't even think it's the hospital's site, I think it belongs to the national medical system or something). If I made the article based on that it would fail WP:AFD.

Hope that helps. --GRuban (talk) 17:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

You rock, GRuban! Ladysmith is hard because apparently there is a similarly named facility in Canada. I find This which says it is one of two hospitals in the area and the only public one. Apparently it facilitates all of the health clinics in the region. This which says it was opened to treat Blacks and People of Color. And this which says it's won awards. Haven't been able to figure out when it opened, but know it was functioning by 1949. Not a lot, but perhaps it establishes enough of a case for notability? SusunW (talk) 18:47, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Stella Madzimbamuto

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DYK for Evelyn Straus

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Spelling of Beverly Loraine/Lorraine Greene

Hello @SusunW thanks for all the great Wikipedia work you are doing! I am a relatively new editor focusing right now primarily on mid-century architecture and architects. I love to see women architects get their due. Recently I have been using this fantastic new website Pioneering American Women in Architecture, https://pioneeringwomen.bwaf.org/ and they recently published a new piece on Greene. It looks like you were the original author for the Wikipedia page. I saw they spelled Loraine/Lorraine differently than Wikiped article so I wrote to them to see if they could provide a basis for the difference. They have original research that shows the architect used the spelling Lorraine. I can provide more information if you want, but they would love to see this changed in Wikipedia and generally been trying to fix it whenever they encounter the spelling with one "r.". I added a comment on the Talk page to see if others wanted to weigh in, but haven't heard from anyone yet. If you are okay with the change maybe you could respond to my comment in the Talk page. Fothergilla (talk) 16:50, 23 February 2022 (UTC)