*'''Oppose on quality''' woefully undersourced. Support in principle if fixed. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 08:01, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' woefully undersourced. Support in principle if fixed. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 08:01, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' because people need a little good news amongst the bad [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 08:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' because people need a little good news amongst the bad [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 08:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' was about to nominate this myself. It is the kind of thing I can imagine people wanting to look up to read further. Update is still thin but will get there in short order looking at updates already applied. [[User:3142|3142]] ([[User talk:3142|talk]]) 08:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
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The British Army confirms that a number of active-duty soldiers have disobeyed orders and gone AWOL, and have likely gone to Ukraine to fight against the Russian military. Defence Minister Ben Wallace says that the serving members are "breaking the law and will be prosecuted" when they return to the United Kingdom. (Sky News)
Fitch Ratings downgrades Russia from "B" to "C", one grade above default, and warns that Russian default on its obligations is "imminent". (BBC News)
The Russian Ministry of Economic Development proposes a draft nationalisation bill that will impose receivership for up to 3 months on assets of companies that boycotted the Russian market due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine if the ownership share by legal entities from "unfriendly countries" exceeds 25%. If the companies still do not resume their business in the country, their assets will be auctioned. More than 300 companies that left Russia or suspended operations in Russia could be targeted. (TASS)
The Ukrainian state grid operator warns that Russian forces, which are in control of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, have disconnected the plant from the electricity grid, which the operator says will impact nuclear fuel cooling, and which also caused a blackout in the nearby city of Slavutych. The nuclear plant previously suspended all communications with the IAEA, the United Nations-based organisation specialising in nuclear energy production. (The Independent)(Interfax Ukraine)
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba says that reserve diesel generators that cool spent nuclear fuel can only last for another 48 hours and that a radiation leak from Chernobyl is "imminent" if power is not restored immediately. Kuleba also says that "Putin's barbaric war" puts all of Europe in danger. However, the International Atomic Energy Agency says there is "no critical impact on security" imminent. (Times of Israel)(Reuters)
Austria suspends its universal COVID-19 vaccine mandate one week before fines of up to €3,600 were scheduled to take effect for those who did not comply with the mandate. The suspension of the mandate will be reviewed in three months. (Politico)
Romania lifts all COVID-19-related restrictions including requiring a digital COVID pass to access institutions and the obligation to wear protective masks both indoors and outdoors. (Reuters)
Ukrainian foreign policy aide Ihor Zhovkva says that Ukraine is open to holding talks discussing Russia's demand of Ukraine's neutrality as long as Ukraine is given security guarantees. However, Zhovkva warned that Ukraine will not give up any of its territories. (Bloomberg)
Nominator's comments: If this and the entry below are both approved I understand the invasion article will be moved to "ongoing" thus removing the reason for the closure of yesterday's nomination. The article has been greatly improved by other editors since yesterday, but if any quality issues remain please could you tag exactly where in the article itself - thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 08:22, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose the entire paragraphs are sourced to a single source at the end of the sections, so sources likely are there already and just need to be polished. Support when this is done. --Tone08:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support was about to nominate this myself. It is the kind of thing I can imagine people wanting to look up to read further. Update is still thin but will get there in short order looking at updates already applied. 3142 (talk) 08:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bandits in Kebbi State attack a military convoy carrying the state's deputy governor, Dabai Yombe. He survives but 19 soldiers are killed. The convoy was making its way to Wasagu/Danko when the attack occurred. (Reuters)
The Biden administration bans imports of Russian oil, gas and coal to the United States. The United Kingdom also announces that it would phase out Russian oil by the end of the year. (CBS)(Politico)
Chinese officials indicate that they are interested in buying shares in recently-distressed Russian energy and minerals companies, seeking supply security. The negotiations, however, are still at an early stage. (Bloomberg)
Due to the panic buying of nickel futures, whose prices have increased above the $100,000 per tonne mark for the first time, and which doubled for the second consecutive day, the London Metal Exchange suspends all trading of nickel. (Reuters)(Reuters 2)
The New York Times removes all its journalists from Russia, fearing arrests due to the recent changes to the Criminal Code of Russia penalizing "falsehoods" about the Russian Armed Forces or the country's invasion of Ukraine. (The Hill)
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Proposal: Change Russia's '''[[2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine|invasion]]''' of Ukraine to '''[[2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine|Russia's invasion of Ukraine]]'''.--Hildeoc (talk) 15:28, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Maybe Belarus doesn’t actively participate with military forces but Donetsk and Lugansk do, so it’s practically not only Russia and thus replacing “Russian” with “Russia’s” would be incorrect.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see. The blurb probably highlights the condemnation of Russia’s involvement. Anyway, I don’t think the blurb should begin with an emboldened word and this is extremely minor thing so that WP:EGG applies.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I am periodically dragooned into rearranging the furniture in my house. I am not interested in doing that here. The damned chair can stay in the corner. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bikeshedding Same argument, but no oppose, just asking editors to consider a minimum threshold of impact before proposing or voting on a proposal. TZubiri (talk) 22:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is already a consensus that the Russian invasion will move to ongoing when it drops off the bottom of the blurbs. It is not holding anything up as there are no new stories to be posted at the moment. Stephen22:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose for the umpteenth time. It's a major event that is currently blurbed. It will drop off the ITN blurb list when the next news item gets approved and then it will go to ongoing. I don't think we will even need a nomination for that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's not an actual rule, no matter how many times people try and invoke it. This event should be on ongoing, as it's an ongoing event. The blurb for it is stale- like most of the ITN box. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support - not while it has a blurb, and I don't think we should pull the blurb early. Assuming the invasion is still ongoing when the blurb will be other wise pushed off, then I support it to ongoing. — xaosfluxTalk15:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Comrade Putin's attempt to turn the clock back to 1939 remains far & away the No. 1 story worldwide. [1][2][3][4][5] I'm sure Vlad the Invader et al. would be only too pleased to see it relegated from the Main Page "headlines" to the comparative obscurity of Ongoing. – Sca (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My reason for proposing this is to be able to add one of the consequences of war rejected below. I may propose one of them again tomorrow - meanwhile I hope some industrious Americans will improve them as I sleep. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:54, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, if not today, then make sure that it happens as soon as it is pushed off of ITN by more recent events. The eyes of the world are on this situation. Side note - Speculation about Putin's motivations or worldviews are not pertinent to whether or not this is a story appropriate to categorize as "Ongoing". Thanks to all for their contributions. KConWiki (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Will major future developments in the war be considered for blurbs, or will nothing other than its conclusion be considered important enough for that? Jim Michael (talk) 21:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeTo make room for other news items? My understanding is that it rolls off ITN as soon as new blurbs are posted, just like any other hook. As such, it's literally impossible for a hook to be 'blocking' the ability to have more news items, unless editors oppose any other reasonable nomination on the basis that this hook stays up (in which case, evidence?). Otherwise you're just advocating pulling a blurb that is actually in the news, because ... ? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose per WP:CRYSTAL; The gas flow to Europe hasn't stopped yet. Might be newsworthy if it actually is cut, however currently everything is just speculation. DNVIC (talk) 07:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is already newsworthy enough for the major news companies linked above. Although it seems unlikely that Germany will boycott Russian oil they have done several unlikely things over the past week already. The guideline you link to includes "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about ... whether some development will occur". The gas flow has not completely stopped and may not, but according to the DW source one pipeline has stopped already. That and the speculation of more has increased many people's gas or petrol bills - maybe even yours. Some people are interested in news which is already increasing their bills. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:58, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose So, Europe considers stopping its purchase or Russia threatens to cut supplies? Let's first wait to see which one of these two happens and then re-consider it for posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:56, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb. Expand to include major price increases of other things, including gold & oil - the latter of which on Sunday night spiked to its highest level since 2008. Put all of this in one blurb. Perhaps merge this nom with the one above. Jim Michael (talk) 13:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It is a part of the invasion. There are well documented reasons why both food and gas prices have jumped due to the invasion. --Masem (t) 13:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Question The war is obviously a crisis, but is the refugee situation itself a crisis yet? I see a quote in the article that it could become one, but currently it seems neighbouring countries had prepared for this many and are handling it about as well as such things go. That's not to diminish the alleged unequal treatment, but I think "crisis" might be a bit much, this soon. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm more worried about linking to an inaccurate article, by any pipe. It's not just the title. The situation is described as a crisis throughout, alongside several ways these refugees have it easier than past refugees under new regulations. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This should probably be posted when it becomes the "biggest migration crisis (in Europe) since WW2", passing the peak 1.3 million migrants in 2015. 188.27.42.181 (talk) 10:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the invasion article you are right the section there needs trimming now this article exists - I will take a look. Please could you tag exactly where the problems in this article are so people can fix them.Chidgk1 (talk) 12:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing that out - I think the editor who added it cited the "live" section of the newspaper which has since been updated - replaced with a stable cite. If there are other problems could you possibly tag exactly where on the article itself rather than here in case I am not available to fix them - there seem to be a lot of editors actively improving it. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality as the article has tag for needs to be updated, and the "Alleged unequal treatment at the borders" is massively WP:UNDUE as it's about half the article text. I'm not convinced that even if the article is fixed, then it should be posted (I'm neutral, leaning oppose on this)- there have been many mass migrations, and we wouldn't even consider posting this if it weren't in Europe (we didn't post the Syrian one after all). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are right that section was a bit too large - have trimmed. I suspect most "in the news" articles need update as the news develops - I only tagged it a few hours ago but if no one updates it I will delete the Netherlands section as it only has one reliable source. I did not know about "in the news" at the time but as I live in the country with the most Syrian refugees I would have strongly supported it. There are several other editors on this article so if you could tag exactly where the most serious remaining problems are I expect they will be fixed quickly. Chidgk1 (talk) 12:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The price of Brent crude oil increases to $139.13 per barrel, the highest value since July 2008, amid supply disruptions and the threat of a Russian oil ban. (Reuters)
Metal markets register new highs. Aluminium and nickel register a record price on the London stock exchange, at about $4,000 and $55,000 per tonne, respectively; nickel prices rose 90% on intraday trading. Copper also recorded new highs, at $10,845 per tonne, while palladium reached $3,440 per ounce. Russia is a substantial producer of all of these metals, and the market expects shortages of these commodities as the country is hit by further sanctions. (Reuters)(Reuters 2)(Barron's)
Belgium removes most of its COVID-19-related restrictions, including lifting most of mask mandate and no longer requiring COVID Safe Tickets to enter most public places, after the country lowered its COVID-19 barometer from code orange to yellow. (Anadolu Agency)
Hungarian Prime MinisterViktor Orbán signs a decree allowing the deployment of NATO troops in western Hungary, and the transfer of lethal weapons across its territory to other NATO member states. However, the decree does not allow weapons shipments across its territory to Ukraine. (Reuters)
Belarus launched a widespread phishing attack against Polish and Ukrainian government and military officials. The attack has since been contained. (The Washington Post)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
That was in 2006 (if we did blurb it, there don't seem to be any easy to find ITN archives for that far back), and shouldn't reflect on how we run things 15 years later. Tarar has been out of the public eye for many years, I don't see him as important enough for a blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support RD / No Blurb Article length meets the minimum standards for RD but I am not impressed with the level of coverage for the head of state for a country like Pakistan. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:21, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support RD, oppose blurb just about enough content to post at RD, though if there's anything that could be added on what he did since 2001, that would be good. Oppose blurb for reasons I mentioned above. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
EXTREMELY strong support RD, could go either way on blurb Pakistan is the 5th largest country in the world by population, its population is about two-thirds that of the USA. This may not be the best article but it does meet minimum RD requirements, and even if Tarar wasn't the most influential Pakistani leader in history, he was still leader of the fifth-largest country. 1779Days (talk) 05:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My goodness, I was considering !voting to support this RD, but now that someone has given an EXTREMELY strong support, it doesn't seem necessary.--WaltCip-(talk)13:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, strongly oppose blurb it meets the minimum requirement for RD but definitely doesn’t deserve a blurb, article quality isn’t to blurb standard. He was really just a figurehead and didn’t do anything significant to deserve a blurb. He should be given a RD though. Hamza Ali Shah Talk14:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The United States start talks with Venezuela about supplies of its oil, currently under sanctions, in an attempt to substitute the Russian crude. So far the talks yielded few results. (Reuters)
Around 4,000 anti-war demonstrators are arrested during protests in cities across Russia that are aimed at opposing the invasion. (BBC News)
Kazakhstan will allow anti-war protests in the country amidst fears that the country could be sanctioned. Protesters gather in Almaty to protest Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. (Rferl)(France 24)
A Russian government directive is published ordering moving all government institutions and Internet service providers servicing them to switch to Russian DNS servers and (whenever possible and applicable) to the .ru domain zone as well as substitute all foreign-hosted Javascript code with equivalent code hosted onshore by March 11. Russian authorities, however, do not plan to cut off from the global Internet network themselves. (The Register)(Kommersant)
Russian and Ukrainian forces agree to open a humanitarian corridor for five hours for people who want to leave Mariupol and Volnovakha, expecting 200,000 people from Mariupol and 15,000 people from Volnovakha to use the corridor. However, the implementation of the corridor is postponed as the two parties accused each other of violating cease-fire agreement. (Reuters)(The Wall Street Journal)
Russian troops seize control of Borodianka in Kyiv Oblast after days of heavy shelling and airstrikes. Ukrainian authorities say that they were unable to evacuate a psychiatric hospital in the town which holds 670 patients. The hospital is now under Russian control. (CNN)(Sky News)
The Ukrainian military begins a mass evacuation of civilians from Irpin after the city was bombarded by Russian jets and artillery. Much of the city has now been destroyed. (BBC News)
PayPal suspends its services in Russia, citing "violent military aggression in Ukraine". Inditex also announces that it is closing all of its 502 stores in Russia, which employ about 9,000 people. (BBC News)
Visa and Mastercard suspend operations in Russia following "Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine". Visa says that it would cut off transactions "over the coming days", and that once a full ban is in place, bank cards issued in Russia will no longer work abroad. (The Independent)
President Putin signs a decree authorising settlement of sovereign and corporate debts whose creditors come from "unfriendly countries" (whose list is to be determined within two days' time) to be made in rubles instead of foreign currencies, according to the exchange rate set by the Central Bank of Russia (CBR). (Bloomberg)(TASS)
Aeroflot, Russia's flag carrier airline, announces that all flights to foreign destinations will be suspended as of March 8. (RIA Novosti)
Malaysia reports a record for the second consecutive day of 33,406 new COVID-19 cases, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 3,595,172. (Malaysia Kini)
South Korea reports a record 216 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 8,796. The country also surpasses 4 million cases of COVID-19. (The Korea Herald)
The United Kingdom's Foreign Office advises British citizens to leave Russia immediately if their presence is "not essential", citing the "lack of available flight options to return to the UK", and the "increased volatility in the Russian economy". (Sky News)
Russian Foreign Affairs Spokesperson Maria Zakharova says that Russia will "not forget" British support for "Ukrainian ultra-nationalists", as well as the supply of British weapons to Kyiv, which are being used against Russian forces. (The Statesman)
Cyprus denies access for five Russian military vessels to enter its port in Limassol. Whether the military ships could enter Cypriot ports in the first place is controversial, as the international law background is unclear. (Kathimerini Cyprus)
Chinese PremierLi Keqiang reaffirms China's support for peaceful relations and reunification with Taiwan. However, he also calls for other countries to not engage in foreign interference. (Reuters)
NATO announces that they will not declare a no-fly zone over Ukrainian airspace, as such a declaration could create an avenue for further escalation by enabling NATO nations to potentially fire upon Russian aircraft in the area. (FOX News)
PresidentVolodymyr Zelenskyy condemns NATO for rejecting his appeal for a no-fly zone over his country, saying "All the people who die starting today will also die because of you. Because of your weakness, because of your disconnection". (DW)
Alphabet Inc., the parent company of Google, stops all sales of advertisements in Russia, following similar actions by Twitter and Snap Inc., as Russian regulators demand that the company stop showing "false political information" about Ukraine that they claim is misinforming the Russian public. (Reuters)
President Vladimir Putin signs amendments to the Criminal Code of Russia criminalising the spreading of falsehoods about Russian soldiers and the Russian Armed Forces, as well as calling for anti-Russian sanctions. According to the changes to the Criminal Code, spreading falsehoods about the Russian army will be punishable by 10–15 years of imprisonment, with the possibility of an additional fine of 700,000 to 1.5 million rubles (US$6,400–13,700) and up to three years of forced labour. The other two activities will carry a lesser punishment but all include possible imprisonment. The bill was previously accepted unanimously by the State Duma. (Interfax Russia)(TASS)
Minister for Education and YouthAlan Tudge, who temporarily stood down from his position last year after domestic abuse allegations were leveled against him by his former staffer and mistress, announces that he will be permanently resigning from the frontbench as a result of these allegations. (MSN News)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Wait ... pending expansion of article, a 75-word stub in terms of info. Although internecine bombings are common in Pakistan, the death toll seems noteworthy. – Sca (talk) 15:48, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, oppose on quality. Still need further expansion and the article is still a stub. There's also unresolved merge discussion, both article has essentially same content. Nyanardsan (talk) 19:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt blurbIslamic State have claimed responsibility for this attack, whose death toll is over 60; the most deadly attack in Pakistan since 2018. The article is over 15,000 bytes and good enough to post. Jim Michael (talk) 20:34, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize first, but this is a bad argument to be made for opposing a nomination. I dont think opposing other nominations because of personal grudge is helpful in any way. Please maintain good faith. Nyanardsan (talk) 05:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You all saw fit to discredit that article, so I fail to see by your own logic why this article would not also be treated the same.--Caltraser5 (talk) 09:11, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It seems nothing else other than the Russo-Ukraine war is allowed to be on the news hub now. This is literally the opposite of true. There have been many failed nomination for more content on ITN about Russia/Ukraine, and we have posted 2 other things in the last few hours: the opening of the 2022 Winter Paralympics and the death of Shane Warne. If you're going to assume bad faith about things (which you shouldn't do), at least try and get your facts right. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose impact is way lower than the European floods that weren't posted. So not ITN worthy - talk You contradict your own comments, 'not ITN worthy" now you say that this event "is more significant". We're not talking about this article, it was in reference to the Sumatran earthquake which was granted news headline, THAT was what my comments were in relation to. Which you promptly ignored and stated "not ITN worthy". You can't have it both ways, you ignored the context of my initial statement and then word-twisted it to be about the Russo-Ukraine war which I merely made as a passing comment, but ignored my actual statement.--Caltraser5 (talk) 10:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
One hundred and seventy-four words of narrative text (minus contents and 75 words of background) is a STUB. – Sca (talk) 00:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are six sentences on the attack itself and aftermath, that is not enough to be considered a good enough quality article. You can add as many reactions as you want, but reactions aren't article content that demonstrates a decent enough article quality. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality per Joseph2302 ("There are six sentences on the attack itself and aftermath, that is not enough to be considered a good enough quality article.") Tradediatalk20:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Theres a whole section that says there were two attackers, followed by a footnote that says there might have only been one. There are unsourced sentences and fragments, and the quality of prose is poor and/or ungrammatical in places. Black Kite (talk)00:56, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Besides all that, this is yet another in a long line of screwy articles that intentionally conflates Amaq News Agency, an IS affiliate, with IS itself. The intent is based in the belief that we should make the same mistakes our sources do, same as facts, paying no editorial mind to any internal contradictions that create reasonable doubt, just shut up and copy the headline, "ISIS claims responsibility". An arguably solid stance, but still screwy. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:47, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's the standard excuse, but it's as screwy as the first time I read it. Amaq makes the claim, citing "sources", speaking of the Caliphate and its soldier in the third person, nothing about "we", "us" or "I". But Rita Katz sells it as is, and the "reliable" sources inevitably twist it into something a Wikipedian like you feels OK in using to unwittingly corrupt another article. I hate this game. But not its players, especially those who honestly know not what they do. But maybe attribute the claim to the same outlet CNN does, without misrepresenting it as them? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:21, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They know that. The "reactions" flag salad is a systemic issue with the way INT articles get built. These are readily available in news accounts, so they often come to overwhelm articles with less substantive detail available. A properly written encyclopedia article would not mention the PR statements of other nations, much less be dominated by them. GreatCaesarsGhost14:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly, that's an issue with the format of event-related articles and not with this specific article's inclusion in ITN. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 20:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I have done the best I can with my limited familiarity with the subject matter. I very much urge those with a greater familiarity with how this should be presented and the nuances of writing about such events look over it. Also, currently, there is one sentence in background missing a citation. I cannot spent more time on this article than I already have due to personal deadlines I'm ignoring. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol01:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no happier about my problem with it, but that didn't stop a dozen or so other Amaq-related stories, so there's no reason to pull now. Just saying, for the record. I do like the improvements! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment An image would be appreciated to override the current one. If someone knows of an image and can post it to the article, that would be a good first step.--TZubiri (talk) 22:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Comment also here to say should be a blurb when up to scratch - one of if not the best cricket bowlers ever, sudden and unexpected/almost unbelievable death. The question might be whether to put Rod Marsh in it as well, if there will be a blurb up anyway? Kingsif (talk) 14:54, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with the blurb, probably the greatest bowler of all time (second highest wicket taker, but played fewer matches than Murali, and played a lot of matches on pitches that didn't suit his bowling style). Just needs people to work on the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:00, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is one of the rare cases where I think a blurb is justified - 700 Test wickets at an average of 25 is among the best in history, and his death was certainly unexpected. Unfortunately the article has patchy quality - much of it is fine, but there are parts without references or that mix his sporting accomplishments with his turbulent personal life. I think we can overlook a handful of {{cn}} tags, but not entire paragraphs/sections without references. Needs some tidying up before posting. Modest Geniustalk15:02, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support the original blurb but oppose the alternative blurb. I don't think Marsh deserves a blurb and there's no reason to let him sponge on Warne's fame.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The alt is not verified, as Warne's is a suspected heart attack. 100% we should not be claiming a cause of death that is unproved, and currently only suspected. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:11, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's good enough for Deaths in 2022. And if it turns out to be an error, that's why ERRORS exists, and is frequently used. In any case, the coincidence is the neat part, like with John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well then Deaths in 2022 needs to sort out its verifiability, and avoid WP:SPECULATION. Because every source lists it as a "suspected heart attack" and so it is WP:SPECULATION to suggest that the cause of death has been confirmed when it hasn't. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:50, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you're right. But most sources also mention Marsh. The blurb should explain why Warne was better than Marsh (or just among the best). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support original blurb Legendary leg spinner and second greatest spinner of all time in test cricket. He played in the greatest ever Australian team. Two tragic deaths related to Australian cricket on a same day. Abishe (talk) 15:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support original blurb when the article is up to scratch. There are not many sportspeople who I feel deserve a blurb, but Warne was truly one of the greatest cricketers of all time. Thryduulf (talk) 16:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support and IAR post right now. A middle aged cricketer who retired 15 years ago and is one of 106 people in the Cricket Hall of Fame is super important and needs to get a blurb in the box ASAP. This will still be making headlines a week from now so it makes sense to use a blurb for this. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:07, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I know you're being sarcastic but he is not being proposed for a blurb for his membership of the Cricket Hall of Fame but for the way he revolutionized spin bowling. Certainly top of his field.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:33, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support original blurb One of the greatest cricketers in history (and I too say that as an Englishman). Easily notable enough for a blurb. (Marsh should not be included in the blurb because although he too was a great cricketer he was not on the same level as Warne.)--A bit iffy (talk) 17:30, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
NOT READY I have removed the ready, there are TONS of CNs still in the article, in "Playing style and influence" and the section below. --Masem (t) 18:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb Neutral - I highly doubt that if Tom Brady died of a heart attack in a decade, he would be posted with a blurb. This appears around the same benchmark level. Not sure what is so special here when he's not an active player. - Floydianτ¢18:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If Tom Brady dies in 10 years, I would support posting, for exactly the same reason: he's one of the greatest ever in his sport. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:26, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, true. I'm going to strike my oppose. After second thought, I'd hope someone like Wayne Gretzky would get a blurb when he dies, no matter the circumstance or age. - Floydianτ¢18:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support original blurb It's likely that Warne is more famous than Tom Brady in the English-speaking world. His record-breaking performances were top sports news to about 2 billion people (the population of English-speaking countries that played with or against him), six times the US population. For another comparison, try Pelé (may he live long).82.14.95.59 (talk) 19:08, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb: unexpected, top of his field, and definitely a transformative figure. I supported the blurb for Tom Brady so it would be wrong if I opposed this. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls?20:08, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I hadn't seen that Gordie Howe discussion before today. What an embarrassment. The #2 great in a sport played around the world. Pulling his blurb was an alarming display of ignorance by the Wikipedia community. GaryColemanFan (talk) 17:41, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's a bit off-topic, but I think the main reason Howe got pulled was because of the failure to blurb the death of Johan Cruyff three months earlier. I think people felt that it was a double standard. Of course, both of them should have been posted really. Effy Midwinter (talk) 00:57, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pull, only people whose death/funeral could support a standalone article should get a blurb. Otherwise its an embarrassment to the Front Page. Abductive (reasoning)01:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
None of them would justify an article about their deaths. However, I don't think we should have an inclusion bar that high for blurbs. Jim Michael (talk) 17:55, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do not pull Even CNN (which is in a country where cricket has very little mainstream popularity) has this... And, on top of that, there is absolutely no requirement for the death itself to be notable to support a blurb. We did so for the Apollo 11 astronaut who died last year (Michael Collins (astronaut)), and while Warney might not have walked on the moon [neither did Collins, FWIW], his impact on the sport of cricket and beyond is certainly sufficient for a front page blurb. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:01, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is simply never how RD/blurbs have worked. More examples of people who undoubtedly were significant and whose death was posted despite it not being notable in itself: Desmond Tutu; [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/December_2013#[Posted]_Nelson_Mandela|Nelson Mandela]]; RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can't just dismiss every comparison as "other stuff exists". Some comparisons are valid. Your personal opinion of "how we should do RD blurbs" is very much at odds with how they are actually done, as the above examples, including Tutu, Collins, and others, (here, one from not very long ago]) show... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is established that death blurbs are decided on a case-by case basis with no firm standards. Consequently, the rationale stated in the two pull votes is as valid as anyone else's. However, it is extremely bad form to request a blurb to be pulled unless there was some error made in the posting. GreatCaesarsGhost03:49, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically, Americans posted while Europeans were asleep:) Here there was plenty of time for all corners of the globe to weigh in and I don't think there's any question there was consensus to post. (Also one of the two Pull votes was from an editor who had previously voted "Strong Support"...) Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support original blurb and posting per all the above (but as a Global Citizen and subject of none). Also noting that, surely, one of the supports was gentle trolling...? SN5412913:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Shane Warne's photo as currently paginated looks startlingly overlarge for a mug in the context of our quite small ITN box. (A war pic. from Ukraine would be much more appropriate given the ITN's contents today.) – Sca (talk) 16:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ITN is not a newsticker, we do not give preference to any specific story. Having a pic for the current top blurb is standard practice. --Masem (t) 16:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but please explain why it has to be so big. The same pic could simply be reduced in px (picas). → As presently paginated, it violates the Looks Funny rule. – Sca (talk) 13:48, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It looks the same as any other portrait photo used on ITN, at least for me. "Looks funny" is subjective and also likely depends on the device, browser and version of Wikipedia (desktop, app, mobile) being used. Not sure there's anything actionable here? Joseph2302 (talk) 21:25, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's not subjective if you're laying out the item – you go by the number of picas after jpg|thumb (or just jpg| if it's not taking a caption/nameline, which this one isn't). Since ordinary users can't edit the main page, I can't tell how wide the mug actually is. But if as you say it's just the usual, then I guess it's my imagination. Still, to me it seems somehow to dominate the box and almost the main page itself. Maybe it's his ruddy complexion? Oh well. – Sca (talk) 23:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(Closed) Fire breaks out at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant
Consensus to post will not develop. The fire does not appear to have endangered the reactor and was quickly extinguished. As far as this goes it appears to be just another incident in the ongoing horror story of this war. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose per WP:CRYSTAL on the nom's comment as it hasn't exploded. Just another thing that Vladolf Putler has ordered as a part of this war. An attack on a nuclear facility starting a fire is just another event in the conflict. Given we have a failed assassination attempt on the president of Ukraine, hospitals being attacked, and alleged war crimes not getting posted, I don't think this should be either. A fire doesn't seem too notable in a warzone. Open to reconsidering if it does explode NoahTalk02:01, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
1. Despite this nuclear plant is also in Ukraine, fire damage doesn't mean it's going to explode, and 2. even in the unlikely case it is really going to be completely destructed by fire, it wouldn't mean a nuclear war either. C933103 (talk) 05:16, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support The BBC's headline currently is "Global outcry after Russia seizes nuclear plant" and so it seems quite significant. The article about the power plant seems to be in reasonable shape and it's interesting to find that this is "the largest nuclear power plant in Europe". ITN's current "nothing to see here" posture is inappropriate as it gives the impression that it is either broken or controlled by Russian censors. (See also Broken Arrow) Andrew🐉(talk) 11:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see an article covering this (and dozens of other Russian acts said to have caused global outcry) linked in bold on ITN. Today, something else in that highly visible article will likely garner outcry in another nomination. Maybe even an actual power outage or large explosion. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Sadly just another episode of Putin's disregard for international laws and human lives. The fires were extinguished and nothing major was damaged. I still support having a few articles as an ongoing-box for this war but the box is not large enough to post every atrocity committed in this invasion. Regards SoWhy10:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and wait - Part of a larger event. The magnitude of the explosion as stated by Kuleba (10 times larger than Chernobyl) is still heavily contested by experts. Wait until further developments occur then we give a much more final decision on this. PenangLion (talk) 12:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and suggest closure. From the Guardian report, it turns out the fire was in an outlying support building, with no connection to the reactor or power supplies, and was brought under control without loss of life or radiation leak. Shelling a nuclear plant is incredibly irresponsible by Russia, but the lurid headlines and partisan statements from Ukraine made this sound much more dangerous than it was. There was no chance of a second Chernobyl, and no major consequences occurred, just one burnt building. Modest Geniustalk15:07, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Support great job sourcing the article, as it was woefully undersourced at the time his death was announced, and now is well sourced (just 9 hours later). More than good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:08, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Paralympics opening ceremony 11:30 UTC. I guess you could post this on the board once the ceremony begins. Propork3455 (talk) 02:39, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not appropriate at all. ITN is not a newsticker. The Ukraine invasion will fall to ongoing when the blurb drops off. We aren't going to make exceptions here. --Masem (t) 03:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose First we are not sure whether XJP is going to be appear in the opening ceremony and "open" it, second there are considerable aspects of this paralympic that are more notable than XJP opening it even if he do (See my nomination below). C933103 (talk) 05:20, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until it happens. Then update the article. Also mention the fact Russia(n Olympic Committee) and Belarus have been kicked out. Kingsif (talk) 07:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality the biggest amount of text in the article is on Russia and Belarus, not the Games itself. And mascot section is poorly sourced. Wait until opening ceremony happens, and then add a summary to that section (which is currently 1 sentence), before posting. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:42, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, ALT1 is our normal blurb style for this event, and ALT2 seems fine too. ALT0 is unsourced in the article (no source there says that Xi is opening it). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:39, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The event hasn't happened yet and, in these "special" circumstances, it may not go to schedule so WP:CRYSTAL applies. And the similar case of the 2022 Winter Olympics closing ceremony shows that quality updates cannot be relied upon. That event is two weeks old but its article is still in a dire state with muddled tenses, ungrammatical language, empty sections, unsourced sections and more. But we're still linking to it on the main page and running it day after day. It's embarrassing to be highlighting such junk while we're ignoring the real news. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt2 Now the opening ceremony has happened, the bold main article in alt2 has a sufficient update on this, and is sourced. Also suggest closing the below nomination as it is covered by this one. Kingsif (talk) 15:51, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt blurb 1 Important global sports event. Alt 2 is certainly newsworthy; I wonder if it is undue though maybe it could be added. -TenorTwelve (talk) 17:37, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt 1 as the usual way this is announced. Blurbs are best when they are short and sweet, and the details about Russia and Belarus are better covered in the article than by making the blurb too long. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:25, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thirteen students are killed at the National University of Kharkiv after a Russian shell struck a dormitory at the university's Academy of Culture. Five foreign students are among the dead, including four Chinese and one Indian student. (Taiwan News)
Standard & Poor's downgrades Russia's debt from BB+ to CCC-, signalling that it believes that Russia is prone to defaulting on its obligations. (Reuters)
Disasters and accidents
The Estonian cargo ship MV Helt sinks near the Port of Odesa in the Black Sea following an explosion. All six crew members on board were rescued, according to authorities. Estonian Foreign Minister Eva-Maria Liimets says that an investigation into the incident will occur. (Euronews)
Hong Kong reports a record for the second consecutive day of 56,827 new COVID-19 cases, thereby bringing the total of confirmed cases in the territory to 350,557. The territory also reporting a record 144 deaths in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the death toll in territory to 1,366. (South China Morning Post)
Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak says that Ukraine and Russia have not "achieved the desired results they wanted", but that Russia has agreed to a temporary ceasefire in humanitarian corridors, thereby allowing more time for civilian evacuations. Both sides are expected to hold a third round of talks beginning next week. (Reuters)(Forexlive)
SaudiCrown PrinceMohammed bin Salman says that his country will continue talks with regional rival Iran in order to reach an agreement between the two countries. Bin Salman also reaffirms his support for a "strong" nuclear deal that would prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. (Reuters)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Length (700+ words of prose) Y Formatting Y Deployment of Footnotes Y Coverage Y. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 18:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Length (600+ words of prose) Y Formatting Y Deployment of Footnotes Y Coverage Y. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 12:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Needs More Pronouns "Chybineyev" is a ten-letter word. We get it, means he himself in English. Some info on what killed him would be good, too, if known (and an entry at Deaths in 2022, if feeling ambitious). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Yes, indeed. Deployment of Footnotes Y. Length (1000+ words of prose) Y. Coverage Y. Formatting Y. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 04:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose lots of similar events have happened, and I don't see why we should single this one out. Besides, it's all part of the wider story of the invasion, which is already on ITN. Banedon (talk) 09:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Russia and Belarus have been expelled from loads of sports events, and this one is generating a similar amount of coverage to any other (e.g. Russia, including all its club teams, being banned from all UEFA/FIFA football matches has generated more coverage). So not sure why it's more newsworthy/ITN-worthy. On the other hand, it's much more news than the Winter Olympics closing on 20 February (but the crap and outdatedness of other ITN stories isn't a reason to post this). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:01, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - effectively part of an Ongoing event (currently a blurb which will roll down to Ongoing eventualoy), and we don't post every individual update. — Amakuru (talk) 10:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is the first time in history when IOC unilaterally expelled a country from the olympics over a non-sports related issue (i.e. an issue that wasn't related to doping or financing the olympics), right? If so, this is a huge precedent and a 180 degree turnaround to the previous policy of keeping politics out of sport. Hence, my support Daikido (talk) 14:01, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Requesting a pin at the "Ongoing" tab, i.e. Russian Invasion of Ukraine as an ongoing act, as seen by conflict dating back to 2014.--1233 ( T / C） 17:01, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this nomination seems redundant to today's ITN post for the Paralympics above (which is an ITNR event, and will get posted). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:10, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Expanding Russian invasion of Ukraine bulletpoint (March edition)
Russian bombing of a large antenna tower during battle in Kyiv
Comment It's a major news event and there's undoubtedly a lot to it, but it is a link to the full page, which has all of the information, rather than a slightly-extended blurb. If it's going to be extended, what do you include and leave out? — Bacon Noodles (talk • contribs • uploads) 14:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What are we doing? Are we updating the blurb and bumping it back to the top of the ticker? Or are we just amending it?--WaltCip-(talk)14:36, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support and bump this back to the top, replacing the other Ukraine/Russia blurb. This is the most in the news of the items featured, so should have the most prominent position in the ITN box. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC
Support blurb although I think the best possible blurb would the blurb mixed with altblurb2. Restating my original support from February 28. Flameperson (talk) 15:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to state that I oppose any bumping to the back of ITN. If that happens I would support the article going straight to Ongoing Flameperson (talk) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We are not a newsticker, and there is little to really update on this or give extra weight to. This will be in ongoing when it is time so readers will still see it. --Masem (t) 15:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why not update the ITN blurb itself rather than forcing the reader to search for something relevant and informative among the small-type headings on the left side of the page? Our continued display of the obviously outdated (and boring) ITN blurb does not serve readers one bit. – Sca (talk) 16:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
First we are not a newspaper and readers coming here to find news of the invasion are going to the wrong place. Second, a short phrase in ongoing will standout more that this long blurb if readers are scanning the ITN box for this. --Masem (t) 16:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ongoing every single day we're considering one more mor changes to this blurb just pull the blurb and park it in ongoing and move on. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:36, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Partial support I think the first suggested blurb and altblurb3 is fine because they relate to things that have clearly happened and probably aren't going to change any time soon (western sanctions, UN condemnation, Russian economic crisis). The other blurb's all seem to be getting to wrapped up in the details of the conflict on the ground which could quickly become out of date.Llewee (talk) 17:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per STSC & Pawnkingthree. The current blurb is succinct and to the point. Anyone wanting further information can go to the linked article. While I fully share the near universal indignation over these events, it must be remembered that we are not a news ticker nor are we to use the project to channel our (fully justified) outrage. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree here. We probably all agree what's happening to Ukraine is inhumane and there is justified outrage over it but this is still an encyclopedia with a strong neutrality function, and trying to give excessive coverage of this conflict, compared to numerous ones in Africa, the Middle East,, or elsewhere, shows our bias. We know this will go to a blurb and stay for a while, no need to be upset.over it not getting more ITN coverage. --Masem (t) 20:58, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The current editorial configuration of Wikipedia may be the techie dream of the ultimate in internet delivery vehicles, but from a reader's point of view it's over-engineered and unnecessarily complicated. In a way it reminds me of the Edsel, a design based on tons of brainy market research, but which proved to be the most ill-advised car in U.S. automotive history. – Sca (talk) 18:15, 3 March 2022 (UTC) –→[reply]
Portal:Current_events is complex but seems quite effective. For example, today's page was created automatically by a bot and has now been populated by 35 bullet points across a variety of fields including sports, science and the "special military operation". The key difference is that editors are actually allowed to edit it. The problem with ITN is that it is paralysed by protection and so little gets done. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Has there ever been a proposal to have a little "Portal:Current Events • Nominate an article" the way DYK has "Archive • Start a new article • Nominate an article"? I feel like that would help a lot of people actually find this portal, because the sidebar is just such a massively long list of links it sort of just disappears into the visual background noise. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol21:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea. ITN does currently link to Portal:Current_events but hides the link behind the word Ongoing so most readers will miss it. The link should be surfaced so that readers are given a good alternative when it's so clear that much is missing from ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I... never even noticed "Ongoing" (or "Recent Deaths" for that matter) was a link because there's just so many links in the line and the bolded + browser visited color + blue ITN background combination just for some reason isn't scanning as a link to my brain. But that's on me. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol15:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. In my opinion, the Sumatran earthquake currently has undue weight, with the top bullet, 12 words, and a photo. In my opinion, the Ukraine invasion is clearly the bigger news item. I support any attempts to increase the weight of the Ukraine invasion by adding words, adding photos, or moving it to the top bullet. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose IV under any circumstances - Dreadful non-neutral blurb. Wikipedia should not be a mouthpiece for editorial outrage.--WaltCip-(talk)20:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose change to blurb. How many times do we have to keep arguing the same thing? The blurb will roll down the page until it hits ongoing. Or we can also move it to ongoing now, if that's preferred. What we should not do, and what we have never done for any blurb ever - even Covid - is to keep revamping it and tweaking it to update for the daily changes in the situation. That's exactly what ongoing is for, and this war, while tragic for all concerned, is not so far elevated above all the other wars and events in the world that we need to carve out a brand new rule for it. I suggest we start speedy closing these nominations soon because they are generating more heat than light. — Amakuru (talk) 21:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Ongoing As much as it's not a normal move as things stand the current format of the Ukrainian Invasion piece is going to be way too contentious as far as people requesting several and frequent changes. I think a move to Ongoing right now is the best way to handle this. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose IV per WaltCip and others - not only does the blurb look like a Russia vs West war, the sentence structure kind of suggests Western sanctions are the reason Russia invaded Ukraine. And with so much gp confusion over Putin's motives, you never know who'll believe it. Kingsif (talk) 07:48, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support – The No. 1 story worldwide. The old ITN blurb is egregiously outdated. Favor alt3 as the most informative, but alt1 or alt2 would be fine. too. – Sca (talk) 15:28, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt3. Per previous discussions, I do think we need to update the blurb, as the war has moved on from the initial invasion. The UN resolution is the biggest of the diplomatic responses, and it's hard to pick out an individual military event to highlight, so that seems to be the best option for a blurb update. Oppose the other suggestions as WP:EDITORIAL. Modest Geniustalk15:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In this instance I have to disagree with my modest friend. Alt1 and alt2 aren't editorializing. There's nothing POV about "widespread" – it's meant purely as a descriptive geographic term. Of course it has military or political ramifications, but that's simply a result of what has actually taken place on the ground in the last 10 days. – Sca (talk) 18:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support any of the blurbs, per above. We have many MP-ready articles related to the invasion article and we should link at least one of them. Davey2116 (talk) 22:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:ITNPICT, the picture is generally associated with the top-most blurb, and blurbs are listed chronogically. Both Warne and the Paralympics are the same date.—Bagumba (talk) 10:53, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Warne pic. as currently paginated is way too big for an ITN mug. And obviously, a Ukraine war photo would be of greater interest than a mere mug anyway. – Sca (talk) 15:05, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The condemnation is from March 2, fresher than the February 24 invasion, but still staler than both March 4 events. It's not about what's hotter. Never has been. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Given some of my earliest edits to the pages that became Portal:Current events, I would appreciate not being lectured by relative newcomers like you (User:InedibleHulk) nor User:Masem about the history of how current events have been handled on English Wikipedia, and I certainly don't think that any of the three of us are qualified to know what the 5,000,000 to 6,000,000 people (or bots or whatever) who currently load "Main page" of English Wikipedia into their browser each day in 2022, per the stats on "Main Page". It could be that thousands (if not millions) of them use it as a news ticker. Certainly, I'll glance at the "In the news" box from time-to-time to see what's going on the world. As User:TZubiri is suggesting, "Screen real estate is important", and we should consider what is important to feature on the homepage of English Wikipedia. What are people visiting Wikipedia to learn? -- RobLa (talk) 04:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember even talking to you before, and have no interest in lecturing you now. I don't know why people come here, you're right. Carry on! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies for my cranky tone, User:InedibleHulk, and sorry for accusing you specifically for "lecturing" me. The topic of how we should deliver Current events has long been a subject of debate (since well before the advent of Wikinews). When you stated "It's not about what's hotter. Never has been", that got under my skin a little bit (especially after User:Masem's comment below). In my mind, the "In The News" section seems to have been about drawing people to the most important articles about current events, and taking advantage of the fact that both editors and readers of Wikipedia are bound to be suddenly drawn to important news. However, like I said, every one of those 5,000,000 to 6,000,000 pageviews (per day) is for a different reason, and it's hard to know why. -- RobLa (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, RobLa, nice to memorably meet you. I also think that's the point here, important current events. But variety is cool, too, and some people find Shane Warne's death and the Paralympics important. Maybe over three million, maybe fewer, but some. A number of others are almost 100% tuned into the war, day in and day out, and that's a fine choice. I don't think a portrait of an Australian is going to overshadow the favoured link for these people, only maybe temporarily distract them. A second later, they'll have literally more info on the Ukraine deal than they can digest. Did you see it got a video clip here earlier? I'll never say "never" again, but I don't remember anything else getting that special shine since 2013 (or whenever the cat dragged me in). Besides, this time, the UN resolution is the event, and (in my opinion) if you've seen one assembly hall or non-binding document, you've "seen them all". See you around! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ITN is not a newsticker, again. We are not posting important news story, but instead featuring articles that are in the news that are also representative of high quality articles. --Masem (t) 02:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As I suggested in my cranky comment above, we don't know why English Wikipedia gets 5,000,000 to 6,000,000 pageviews per day on the homepage. But can be reasonably sure it's less than the 10,000,000+ pageviews per day that it used to get. Can we please make sure that the "In The News" section stays relevant to English speakers all over the world, so that the number doesn't continue to decline, and Wikipedia fade into irrelevance? -- RobLa (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Screen real estate is important. But in order to avoid conflict with the rejected proposal to include the UN General assembly I propose the next most popular blurb, the original one. I think the other page is more appropriate because consensus has already been successfully established, now it's just a matter of implementing that consensus (a legislative to executive division if you will)--TZubiri (talk) 02:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've undone your unilateral change. There is no consensus to bump the blurb, and no consensus to alter the blurb any further. Stephen08:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done Perhaps they saw a problem in the order of the events? Whatever I'm backing off here, a good attempt was made at following the will of the votes, but with so many hands and votes it's not always perfect, it seems sensible to stick with what was originally published, it is the stable version after all, and there was some support for that blurb. It'll be changed by another proposal eventually, hopefully another event or a transition to the ongoing section. --TZubiri (talk) 09:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - effectively part of an Ongoing event (currently a blurb which will roll down to Ongoing eventualoy), and we don't post every individual update. — Amakuru (talk) 10:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The argument is not that Wikipedia is a place to right great wrongs, but rather that Russian increasing its suppression domestically is hardly something fully within the scope of the article of Russian invading a foreign country, even though connection is obvious. C933103 (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support We've posted it when Russia closed the Memorial. Echo is so much bigger in Russia. Most people havent even heard of the memorial until the closure, but Echo is a household name. They were also pretty much the last major domestic oppositionary media operating in the country. Hence, my support. Daikido (talk) 14:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support We posted "the closing of Stand News of Hong Kong". We also posted "the closing of Citizen News of Hong Kong". This event here is just as important.Tradediatalk20:32, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The editor-in-chief is appealing against the closure order, while in Hong Kong the editors were arrested and charged by the police. STSC (talk) 08:25, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Per Amakuru. Characteristic of the repressive autocracy of Kim Jong Putin's Russia, but just a footnote to the larger war story. – Sca (talk) 15:38, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose of the five most recent Russia/Ukraine ITN nominations, this is the one that is the least ITN-worthy. The other noms are about a country being invaded, one radio station closing is nothing in comparison to this. In Hong Kong, it was one of the most noteworthy events at that time, but that is certainly not the case here. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose even if confirmed - since from the article it's hardly the first time thermobaric weapons have been used in war. Banedon (talk) 09:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - effectively part of an Ongoing event (currently a blurb which will roll down to Ongoing eventualoy), and we don't post every individual update. — Amakuru (talk) 10:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I am unsure if we should have posted this even if this was somehow 100% confirmed (is this the first time this type of weapon has been used in combat?; i'm pretty sure the US used them against the Taliban in afghanistan). but this is not 100%, not by any stretch. We can't just post speculation, no matter how good it makes us feel about ourselves. Daikido (talk) 14:03, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Russian stocks endure a total wipeout in value on the London stock exchange, losing $570 billion in two weeks, with many Russian companies' stocks worth pennies. Entities such as Gazprom and Lukoil have lost almost all of their value. Sberbank, the largest bank in Russia, had a market cap of $102 billion six months ago but the value of outstanding shares is currently less than $190 million. (Bloomberg)(Barron's)
A Romanian Air ForceMiG-21 from the 86th Air Base, which was carrying out an air patrol mission over Dobruja, vanishes from radar, and an IAR 330 rescue helicopter sent on a search and rescue mission also disappears. A Defence Ministry spokesman later confirms that the helicopter crashed near Gura Dobrogei, killing all seven crew members on board. The fate of the MiG-21 and its pilot is still unknown. (Reuters)
Turkey eases the majority of its COVID-19-related restrictions including easing of mask mandate indoors and outdoors and no longer asking contact tracing when entering public places two years after the first COVID-19 cases in the country. (Reuters)
The European Union will suspend deliveries of eurobanknotes to Russia beginning on March 12, with exemptions for private persons and their family members in Russia as well as diplomatic missions with legal immunity. (TASS)
A Western intelligence report indicates that China had some level of knowledge about the Russian invasion of Ukraine as it requested Russian officials not to invade during the 2022 Olympic Games. China disputes the accuracy of the reports, saying they are a way to shift blame on the country and smear it. (The New York Times)
Hundreds of women protest in the Nigerian capital of Abuja after the National Assembly rejected a series of amendments to the Constitution that would have expanded women's rights and autonomy. The proposed amendments included reserving 35% of all legislative seats and political party leadership positions for women, conferred citizenship to foreign husbands of Nigerian women, and allowing women to inherit the ancestry of their husband after five years of marriage. (Al Jazeera)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Support Bloom6132 did a great job on this article, which I have also worked on a bit. Bloom padded out the previously incomplete filmography and provided a lot of sources. Article is looking very good now. --ObservantSpectator (talk) 11:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Senior Russian general killed in the invasion of Ukraine, aged 47. Article is a stub but will likely be expanded as more sources cover the death. Davey2116 (talk) 19:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Question are we really going to create loads of articles on Ukranian generals known mostly for dying in this conflict, and then post them all to RD? This is the third one I've noticed in the last 2-3 days. Either way, too short for now, regardless of the wider issue of notability. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note The other two were an air force colonel who was shot down, and a combat engineer who sacrified themselves. I would think a general getting killed is quite rare, as there won't be too many 2-star or higher generals, or division commanders around. Also, nobody has really complained (to my knowledge) about the stream of sportspeople who are mundane domestic league players who die all the time (from a variety of sports in different countries) Bumbubookworm (talk) 20:58, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Articles meets quality standards. Objections for inclusion on the basis that they are only known for their participation in this conflict have some merit, but should be discussed broadly as the same issue applies to sportspeople among others, and until that discussion produces a consensus our current rules support this. BilledMammal (talk) 04:51, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This wikibio has slightly over 300 words, marginally long enough to not be considered a stub. Can more be added? I may be more supportive if there were more to read about him. Referencing seems okay, except that "the most senior Russian officer killed in action to date" needs to be sourced. --PFHLai (talk) 19:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The unreferenced bit about him being "the most senior Russian officer killed in action to date" has been removed from the wikipage. This wikibio is now <300 words long -- in stub territory. --PFHLai (talk) 03:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Support Detailed article, I'm aware it doesn't matter for RD's but quite unique compared to a lot of the life stories that get covered here, maybe it would be worth putting it up for a blurb?--Llewee (talk) 00:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's a couple of cn tags, and it doesn't really give much detail about what she did for the remaining 60 years of her life, after she ceased activism? Stephen04:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are still two {cn} tags in this wikibio, which need to be fixed before this nom can proceed. Please fix. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 11:45, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is still one {cn} tag left -- for the unreferenced back half of a paragraph about her expulsion from University of Alabama, a key event in her life story. Perhaps those few sentences need to be rewritten with new sources and footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 04:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
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Fixed. Thanks for notifying. Craig Andrew1 (talk) 03:04, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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Done – Sca (talk) 15:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)