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*CU data isn't going to be helpful here. The edits are coming from a different country from the previous ones; then again, their first edit was to their userpage, asserting that they have left Ukraine as a refugee, so if they are the same person one might expect the edits to be coming from a different country. Certainly they don't look like a new user, but behavioural evaluation would be needed to make the connection, which with just one substantive edit is tricky. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span> <span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 17:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC) |
*CU data isn't going to be helpful here. The edits are coming from a different country from the previous ones; then again, their first edit was to their userpage, asserting that they have left Ukraine as a refugee, so if they are the same person one might expect the edits to be coming from a different country. Certainly they don't look like a new user, but behavioural evaluation would be needed to make the connection, which with just one substantive edit is tricky. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span> <span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 17:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC) |
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*I agree this is probably not a new user, but with just one edit, not worth investing any effort. Closing. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 17:28, 16 March 2022 (UTC) |
*I agree this is probably not a new user, but with just one edit, not worth investing any effort. Closing. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 17:28, 16 March 2022 (UTC) |
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===10 March 2022=== |
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====Suspected sockpuppets==== |
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{{sock list|1=Jafaz|2=Tsans2|3=91.192.183.13|4=EricLewan|tools_link=yes|remove_master=yes}}<!-- Add more accounts or IPs to this template as needed --> |
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Jafaz is a known sockmaster who has been banned indefinetly on 6 March for this reason. As for their behaviour, the user has repeatedly tried to POV-push idea that "Z" is a symbol of Russian fascism at the [[Russian fascism (ideology)]] article ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Russian_fascism_(ideology)&diff=1075008782&oldid=1075008719], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Russian_fascism_(ideology)&diff=1075010331&oldid=1075009045]). Jafaz is also known for editing numerous versions of Wikipedia (see my comment [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1092#Cross-wiki_spam_and_sock|here]]). |
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<br>On 10 March, Tsans2 also pushed this POV in the same article on multiple versions of Wikipdia (at WP en: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Russian_fascism_%28ideology%29&type=revision&diff=1076317196&oldid=1076158851]; WP ca: [https://ca.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Raixizm&diff=29637991&oldid=29598156]; WP pt: [https://pt.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rusismo&diff=63169387&oldid=63139675]; WP uk: [https://uk.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=%D0%A0%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC&diff=34792414&oldid=34785818], WP ro: [https://ro.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ruscism&diff=14832251&oldid=14825004]). |
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<br>An IP on the Spanish Wikipedia version of [[Russian fascism (ideology)]] also pushed this POV on 10 March ([https://es.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rusismo&diff=prev&oldid=142189393]). |
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<br>On 3 March, EricLewan also tried to POV-push this opinion at the [[Russian fascism (ideology)]] article ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Russian_fascism_(ideology)&diff=prev&oldid=1074985801]). |
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<br>This really look like [[WP:DUCK]] to me. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 18:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:It seems both Jafaz ans Tsans2 both have a strange way of speaking English, likely due to it not being their native language. Tsans2: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tsans2&diff=1076590896&oldid=1076570344], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=1076591505&oldid=1076589669]; Jafaz: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?diff=1075052131]. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 22:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{checkuser|Romesea}}, just like Koraduba mentioned in the previous investigation, is an account created recently whose sole and first contributions are to defend the existence of the [[Russian fascism (ideology)]] article at its AfD; see [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russian_fascism_(ideology)&diff=prev&oldid=1076742817] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russian_fascism_(ideology)&diff=prev&oldid=1075764718]. This of course is not enough to prove suckpuppeting, but it is still to be noted. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 21:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:::On 11 March, Tsan2 [https://ca.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Raixizm&diff=29649710&oldid=29641256 added back the unsourced claim the "Z" is a symbol of Russian Fascism on WP ca] after it had been removed. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 18:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC) |
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<small>''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance#Defending yourself against claims|Defending yourself against claims]].''</small> |
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*{{Inprogress}} - -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 22:25, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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*On the raw CU data, Tsans2 is {{possible}} and EricLewan is {{unlikely}}, but there's indication of proxy use for both, so {{inconclusive}} is probably a better call. {{behav}} -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 22:36, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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*:PS, FWIW, EricLewan is the oldest account. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 22:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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*I came back and took another look, including running a check on Romesea, who is {{unrelated}}. This is obviously a topic which attracts much attention right now, so it's not surprising that multiple people might be pushing the same viewpoints. Nor is it surprising that editors from Russia might not be totally fluent in English. I don't see any particular reason to believe any of the accounts listed here are socks, and the CU data supports that, so I'm going to close this. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 14:45, 19 March 2022 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 01:19, 25 March 2022
Jafaz
Jafaz (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
07 March 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- Koraduba (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
This is an account created 2 years ago whose first edit was today to create a userpage and !vote on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russian fascism (ideology), the same page that Jafaz and CU-blocked sock Adam Darque (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) were focusing on.
The similarity to Adam Darque gives me probable cause to suggest the account is a sockpuppet. Asking for CU for confirmation as was done with Adam Darque. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Comments by other users
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- CU data isn't going to be helpful here. The edits are coming from a different country from the previous ones; then again, their first edit was to their userpage, asserting that they have left Ukraine as a refugee, so if they are the same person one might expect the edits to be coming from a different country. Certainly they don't look like a new user, but behavioural evaluation would be needed to make the connection, which with just one substantive edit is tricky. Girth Summit (blether) 17:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree this is probably not a new user, but with just one edit, not worth investing any effort. Closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:28, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
10 March 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- Tsans2 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- EricLewan (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
Jafaz is a known sockmaster who has been banned indefinetly on 6 March for this reason. As for their behaviour, the user has repeatedly tried to POV-push idea that "Z" is a symbol of Russian fascism at the Russian fascism (ideology) article ([1], [2]). Jafaz is also known for editing numerous versions of Wikipedia (see my comment here).
On 10 March, Tsans2 also pushed this POV in the same article on multiple versions of Wikipdia (at WP en: [3]; WP ca: [4]; WP pt: [5]; WP uk: [6], WP ro: [7]).
An IP on the Spanish Wikipedia version of Russian fascism (ideology) also pushed this POV on 10 March ([8]).
On 3 March, EricLewan also tried to POV-push this opinion at the Russian fascism (ideology) article ([9]).
This really look like WP:DUCK to me. Veverve (talk) 18:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- It seems both Jafaz ans Tsans2 both have a strange way of speaking English, likely due to it not being their native language. Tsans2: [10], [11]; Jafaz: [12]. Veverve (talk) 22:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Romesea (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), just like Koraduba mentioned in the previous investigation, is an account created recently whose sole and first contributions are to defend the existence of the Russian fascism (ideology) article at its AfD; see [13] and [14]. This of course is not enough to prove suckpuppeting, but it is still to be noted. Veverve (talk) 21:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- On 11 March, Tsan2 added back the unsourced claim the "Z" is a symbol of Russian Fascism on WP ca after it had been removed. Veverve (talk) 18:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Romesea (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), just like Koraduba mentioned in the previous investigation, is an account created recently whose sole and first contributions are to defend the existence of the Russian fascism (ideology) article at its AfD; see [13] and [14]. This of course is not enough to prove suckpuppeting, but it is still to be noted. Veverve (talk) 21:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Comments by other users
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- In progress - -- RoySmith (talk) 22:25, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- On the raw CU data, Tsans2 is Possible and EricLewan is Unlikely, but there's indication of proxy use for both, so Inconclusive is probably a better call. Behavioural evidence needs evaluation -- RoySmith (talk) 22:36, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- PS, FWIW, EricLewan is the oldest account. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- I came back and took another look, including running a check on Romesea, who is Unrelated. This is obviously a topic which attracts much attention right now, so it's not surprising that multiple people might be pushing the same viewpoints. Nor is it surprising that editors from Russia might not be totally fluent in English. I don't see any particular reason to believe any of the accounts listed here are socks, and the CU data supports that, so I'm going to close this. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:45, 19 March 2022 (UTC)