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Please see Talk:Milošević. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Milošević (surname) → Milošević – I've tried to discuss this previously at Talk:Milošević#primary topic?, but nobody seems to have cared enough to respond, instead people just occasionally came in and asserted a contrary position without much of a rationale, sigh.

The basic contention for the other side seems rather obvious - the Serbian president who became infamous in the 1990s is the primary topic, e.g. if we just look at https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/massviews/?platform=all-access&agent=user&source=wikilinks&range=latest-20&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&target=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo%C5%A1evi%C4%87%20(surname) where we can see that they are way up there on top of the list (disregarding the cruft).

However, he still had a very generic Serbian surname, and he doesn't necessarily have that much of an edge in long-term significance compared to all the other holders of this common Serbian surname.

If we look at the analysis of traffic coming to these terms (Milošević and Milosevic) compared to Slobodan Milošević, at e.g. https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2018-07-01&end=2022-03-24&pages=Milosevic%7CMilo%C5%A1evi%C4%87%7CMilo%C5%A1evi%C4%87_(surname) the graphs are still all over the place, but clearly the level of interest seems to be entirely equivalent. More recently there's a spike, probably because of another war in eastern Europe where people mention Slobodan Milošević more - that too will pass, though.

That's why I'd continue to advocate the position that using the anthroponymy article as the navigational aid here is appropriate, because, simply put, I don't see any value in short-circuiting navigation for the reader - I don't see how anyone who strongly associates the term Milošević with Slobodan Milošević would ever not be served well with his listing on the surname article, which is a very straightforward concept. (Who is this reader who would be really unhappy that they were forced to open a page with a modicum amount of info about a surname while navigating to a surname holder? It's almost as if the purpose of an encyclopedia is to have people learn things!)

--Joy [shallot] (talk) 06:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 If we look at the analysis of traffic coming to these terms ([[Milošević]] and [[Milosevic]]) compared to Slobodan Milošević, at e.g. https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2018-07-01&end=2022-03-24&pages=Milosevic|Milo%C5%A1evi%C4%87%7CMilo%C5%A1evi%C4%87_(surname) the graphs are still all over the place, but clearly the level of interest seems to be entirely equivalent. More recently there's a spike, probably because of another war in eastern Europe where people mention Slobodan Milošević more - that too will pass, though.
-That's why I'd continue to advocate the position that using the anthroponymy article as the navigational aid here is appropriate, because, simply put, I don't see any value in short-circuiting navigation for the reader - I don't see how anyone who strongly associates the term Milošević with Slobodan Milošević would ever not be served well with his listing on the surname article, which is a very straightforward concept. (Who is this reader who would be really unhappy that they were forced to learn a modicum amount about a surname while navigating to a surname holder?)
+That's why I'd continue to advocate the position that using the anthroponymy article as the navigational aid here is appropriate, because, simply put, I don't see any value in short-circuiting navigation for the reader - I don't see how anyone who strongly associates the term Milošević with Slobodan Milošević would ever not be served well with his listing on the surname article, which is a very straightforward concept. (Who is this reader who would be really unhappy that they were forced to open a page with a modicum amount of info about a surname while navigating to a surname holder? It's almost as if the purpose of an encyclopedia is to have people learn things!)
 --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 06:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)