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*'''Support'''I was about to write something pretty much along the lines of what Joseph above wrote. It is only about what RS claim here, and they have a pretty universal view on the matter. There are dead civilians. And a lot of them. So, is this notable? I sure think so. [[Special:Contributions/91.96.25.17|91.96.25.17]] ([[User talk:91.96.25.17|talk]]) 10:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support'''I was about to write something pretty much along the lines of what Joseph above wrote. It is only about what RS claim here, and they have a pretty universal view on the matter. There are dead civilians. And a lot of them. So, is this notable? I sure think so. [[Special:Contributions/91.96.25.17|91.96.25.17]] ([[User talk:91.96.25.17|talk]]) 10:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
:*I also think alt1 seems better. No allegations, just facts(according to RS anyway). There was a russian occupation of the area, the area was liberated and many dead civilians were found. [[Special:Contributions/91.96.25.17|91.96.25.17]] ([[User talk:91.96.25.17|talk]]) 10:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
:*I also think alt1 seems better. No allegations, just facts(according to RS anyway). There was a russian occupation of the area, the area was liberated and many dead civilians were found. [[Special:Contributions/91.96.25.17|91.96.25.17]] ([[User talk:91.96.25.17|talk]]) 10:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - This is Wikipedia:InTheNews, and this is in the news supported by reliable sources. Definitely a significant story, article seems okay. [[Special:Contributions/82.15.196.46|82.15.196.46]] ([[User talk:82.15.196.46|talk]]) 10:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


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Grammy Awards

Article: 64th Annual Grammy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: We Are by Jon Batiste wins Album of the Year and "Leave the Door Open" by Silk Sonic wins Record of the Year at the Grammy Awards. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Ceremony has just concluded. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note that we have had problems with the Grammy ceremony getting updated to quality expected for posting in the past several years, compared to something like the most recent Oscars one. This one is currently also in a similar state that will need a lot more info on the ceremony itself. --Masem (t) 03:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The 2021 and 2020 nominations seemed to have been posted in decent time.—Bagumba (talk) 05:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just listings of results That complaint is used a lot on pages for elections and sporting events. After some review, I don't see how this or past Grammy pages are any different. At a minimum, shouldn't there be a few sentences of prose on the merits of the winners, at least for Best Record and Best Album?—Bagumba (talk) 08:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Costa Rican general election

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Rodrigo Chaves Robles
Article: 2022 Costa Rican general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Rodrigo Chaves Robles (pictured) is elected President of Costa Rica. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Rodrigo Chaves Robles (pictured) is elected President of Costa Rica, defeating José María Figueres.
News source(s): Reuters, DW, France24, APNews
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Has been declared winner, political outsider. BastianMAT (talk) 06:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Serbian general election

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Aleksandar Vučić
Article: 2022 Serbian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Serbian general election, Aleksandar Vučić (pictured) is re-elected as President of Serbia and the Serbian Progressive Party wins the most seats. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Aleksandar Vučić (pictured) is re-elected and the Serbian Progressive Party led by Vučić wins the most seats.
News source(s): BalkanInsight, DW, France24
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Has been declared winner. BastianMAT (talk) 23:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the aftermath needs clarification, otherwise the article looks fine. Tone 09:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Hungarian parliamentary election

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Viktor Orbán
Article: 2022 Hungarian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Hungarian parliamentary election, Fidesz, led by Viktor Orbán (pictured), wins the most seats. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Fidesz, led by Viktor Orbán (pictured), wins a fourth consecutive term in the Hungarian parliamentary election.
News source(s): Reuters, Financial Times, CNBC, DW, AP
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Big big win for Orban, Reuters describing it as ”crushing”, as it is even more than opinion polls predicted, Orban has claimed victory, opposition has conceded and RS has declared it too. BastianMAT (talk) 21:28, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose needs some refs on opposition primary, results tables need some kind of updating, and I can't remember if we wait for 100% vote check or accept the concessions. Either way, some updating still needed. Why do I never hear anything positive about Orbán? Kingsif (talk) 01:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support Important headline that has already been confirmed by multiple global media outlets as a resounding victory in favour of Orban, so I think it would be appropriate to say he won the win as big. PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 04:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article quality looks good enough. Of the 3 elections held yesterday and nominated here, this is the one that is getting the most coverage (albeit all 3 might get posted, as they're all ITNR). Joseph2302 (talk) 07:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. I moved the reference in the opposition primary, it covers the entire section now, so it's ok. --Tone 08:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lygia Fagundes Telles

Article: Lygia Fagundes Telles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Globo.com, Folha de S. Paulo, Estado de Minas
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian writer --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 20:19, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bucha massacre

Article: Bucha massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian troops are accused of killing hundreds of civilians in the Ukrainian city of Bucha. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hundreds of Ukrainian civilians were found dead after Russia's occupation of the city of Bucha.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Although the invasion is and should remain in ongoing, this apparent massacre is currently the main story on all major media outlets.  Sandstein 20:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Oppose As per everyone else who opposed, it is merely an accusation at this point and frankly, the sources just aren't there with the narrative in the article: The Human Rights Watch link doesn't actually offer any supporting evidence of a massacre in the text, aside from witness testimony which cannot be considered authoritative considering the nature of the war and all and thus I think an inline quote is necessary, while another source is some regional Indian newspaper that is basing its reportage off Twitter links. PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 03:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Russia is responsible"? You have information that we all don't? This doesn't give me the greatest faith that you're entering this discussion with a neutral, impartial point of view on this topic. PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 04:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • WP:NPOV doesn't mean we deny reality. We state the facts as they are, it's why we say Donald Trump attempted to overturn the U.S. election (because he did), instead of trying to strike up a "balanced view"; and why we state that evolution is fact (because it is). Same here. Russia is responsible for slaughtering hundreds of people in Bucha; and it's quite obvious when you consider the fact that they were the last ones there. Unless you have another explanation? -- RockstoneSend me a message! 04:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What more evidence are you expecting? Written confessions? Civilians tie their own hands together and then shoot themselves in the head? Or do you support the narrative by Putin and Peskov that it's all just made up "fake news" and that the Ukrainians are doing this to their own people? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with everything you said in the first clause, except that I differ on the interpretation of this 'reality' and that is the source of all contention and why we even have these sort of discussions on Wikipedia in the first place. Regardless, my opinion is not on the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, but the article itself, and frankly I just don't see how the sources hold up. Can you find me where in any of the aforementioned sources that prima facie evidence is given of the claims being made in the text of the article? Because I cannot. PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 05:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • BBC have already broadcast some of the evidence. Or maybe you think Iryna Kostenko, who had to bury her own son in the garden, was just making it all up? 09:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Facts like there being many, many dead civilians? As reported by reliable sources, the only thing that should matter really. Not up to you decide the veracity of those claims made by reliable sources. Or are you claiming the reliable sources are lying here? 91.96.25.17 (talk) 10:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't deny the fact that hundreds of civilians were killed; the problem is that the proposed blurb uses an accusation, not a mere fact that someone committed the crime, and there are no reliable sources which report it as a fact.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • So why do you not support the blurb that is supported by RS then? That there are many dead civilians after the russian occupation? It at most implies that russia is responsible, as is done in RS. They don't outright say that Russia is responsible and neither does alt 1. Russian occupation, liberation of area, deaths of civilians. That surely will be in the vast majority of RS about this. What is your problem with alt 1, which is widely supported by RS?91.96.25.17 (talk) 10:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support the swathes of dead bodies with tied hands/holes directly through the head are corroborated and in the news, and encyclopedic. We can omit responsibility if there is not enough consensus for that for the time being Bumbubookworm (talk) 10:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is in the news now, and sources are blaming Russia for this. Yes, there hasn't been a formal investigation yet, but the article and blurbs are supported by reliable sources. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, we report what RSes report. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • SupportI was about to write something pretty much along the lines of what Joseph above wrote. It is only about what RS claim here, and they have a pretty universal view on the matter. There are dead civilians. And a lot of them. So, is this notable? I sure think so. 91.96.25.17 (talk) 10:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also think alt1 seems better. No allegations, just facts(according to RS anyway). There was a russian occupation of the area, the area was liberated and many dead civilians were found. 91.96.25.17 (talk) 10:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Delfina Entrecanales

Article: Delfina Entrecanales (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Art Newspaper
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sourcing looks good Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) The Boat Race 2022

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Article: The Boat Race 2022 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In rowing, Oxford win the men's event and Cambridge win the women's event The Boat Race. (Finish of the men's event pictured) (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR, but needs some race summaries. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good to go now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:45, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sure I didn't and/or won't make any difference here, but I'm still having a hard time fathoming this race. A regional football cup between countries isn't significant for Wikipedia standards, yet a boat race between two white men elite aristocrat universities do. Hmm. 182.2.132.202 (talk) 01:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If it's like Harvard the race breakdown is similar to the country it's in, half the students have been female for decades and they don't care much about your social or economic status anymore (descendants of students slightly overrepresented) and I've heard that no
    non-academic critehas ven laffect on admissions ess tin the United Statesrica. Also these might still be the two best universities on the planTop league unis for almost a thousand years, though the oldest existing university in the Western world is slightly older from 11th century Italy. et. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's an WP:ITNR event, so you'd need to discuss at WT:ITN. Also, it gets at least as much coverage as the college sports finals in the US which are listed as ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No-confidence motion against Imran Khan

Article: No-confidence motion against Imran Khan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: In Pakistan, a no-confidence motion moved by Pakistan Democratic Movement against Prime Minister Imran Khan succeeds. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Pakistan, a no-confidence motion moved by Pakistan Democratic Movement against Prime Minister Imran Khan fails.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Pakistan, President Arif Alvi dissolves the National Assembly on Prime Minister Imran Khan's advice, after a no-confidence motion by the Pakistan Democratic Movement against Khan is dismissed.
News source(s): Dawn Dawn
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The National Assembly will be in session shortly and the article will be updated as it concludes. MasterOfMetaverse (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2022 (UTC)  Checkuser note: MasterOfMetaverse is a sockpuppet of Depressed Desi, who commented below: see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Depressed Desi. Mz7 (talk) 02:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, User:Hamza Ali Shah about the dissolution of the assembly not being notable. But what's the difference in the outcome between an early dissolution and a non-confidence vote? In most parliamentary systems, it's two different ways to trigger the same process. Perhaps there's a regional nuance I'm missing? Nfitz (talk) 23:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That was my thought as well, but the wikipedia article (I admittedly glanced through) seems to imply the same - a dissolution of parliament seems able to be requested by the PM and accepted by the President, at any time, just like in Canada/others - and a non-confidence motion resulting in dissolution, the same result with different steps... at least, that's my ignorant read of it. Canadianerk (talk) 23:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:Nfitz, the no-confidence motion would not have dissolved parliament but it would have only changed the government. The opposition doesn’t want the parliament to be dissolved (as there’s quite a big chance Khan will regain his majority in parliament if there is an election) so I don’t think it would have been dissolved had Khan’s government been ousted. In other words, an early dissolution leads to election (which the opposition opposes) and the no-confidence vote would have lead to a government lead by the opposition until 2023.  Hamza Ali Shah  01:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks User:Hamza Ali Shah - ah yes, I see that would be notable then, with the change of government. I forgot that even here, a non-confidence vote can lead to a change in government too - but it's rare. Convention here is that a non-confidence vote leads to new election (and such events are frequent), unless there just was an election with the last few months - maybe a year. Nfitz (talk) 01:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let's hold off until a successor is announced (if there is a change). Jehochman Talk 00:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment We need to reassess here. Non-confidence motions and dissolutions of parliament aren't unique in parliamentary democracies, I think we can agree. What is fundamentally different is that the Pakistani government is alleging foreign interference, and the deputy speaker blocked the motion even coming to a vote, then the PM dissolved parliament anyway. The crux of the nomination, in my opinion, is now whether the act of blocking a non-confidence motion, the allegations of foreign interference, or a combination of, is blurb worthy. Source (taken from article) Canadianerk (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Women's Cricket World Cup Final

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Article: 2022 Women's Cricket World Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, Australia defeat England in the final (player of the match Alyssa Healy pictured) to win the Women's World Cup. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In cricket, England defeat Australia in the final to win the Women's World Cup.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In cricket, Australia defeat England in the final to win the Women's World Cup (player of the series Alyssa Healy pictured).
News source(s): ESPNcricinfo
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: As of right now, the match is still ongoing thus the article will be updated with a match summary once it finishes. MasterOfMetaverse (talk) 05:37, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Estelle Harris

Article: Estelle Harris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a bit more sourcing work before it can be posted Masem (t) 03:07, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is that including or excluding the filmography? Or is the obit doing enough lifting for it? CreecregofLife (talk) 03:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Full filmography including TV appearances will need sourcing per standard. --Masem (t) 13:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vance Amory

Article: Vance Amory (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/former-premier-of-nevis-has-passed/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Two-term Premier of Nevis. Could use more coverage on both his cricket and his premiership, not to mention details on his passing. --PFHLai (talk) 02:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Sri Lankan protests

Article: 2022 Sri Lankan protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sri Lanka has declared a state of emergency in the wake of violent street protests against the economic crisis. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Sri Lanka, hundreds of student protestors are dispersed by police using tear gas.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, The News, BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

 Ainty Painty (talk) 14:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the system still dating posts April 3? In most of the world it's April 4. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC) Oops. Doh.[reply]
We go off UTC 0:00 time, (aka London/Greenwich) for timestamps. --Masem (t) 15:03, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it's not London time, as London has put its clocks forwards, so is in UTC+1. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Neil Stevens

Article: Neil Stevens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Canadian Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame Canadian sportswriter --PFHLai (talk) 12:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: C. W. McCall

Article: C. W. McCall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Best Classic Bands
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singer/songwriter: real name Bill Fries. Activist/politician who served as mayor of Ouray, Colorado for six years. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Pope Francis apologizes for the Canadian Indian residential school system

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Canadian Indian residential school system (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Pope Francis apologizes for the Catholic Church's role in the Canadian Indian residential school system. (Post)
News source(s): CBC, WaPo, Guardian, NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The pope is the last person to apologize for the Canadian Indian residential school system; the other churches involved apologized in the 1990s, and the Canadian government apologized in 2008. Previous pope's refusal to apologize was notable enough to require several paragraphs in the target article. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is pretty big news regarding this subject. The article is in very good shape. Nothing to complain about. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 15:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose An apology is nice and all but that doesn't seem to be anything actionable here or the type of resolve we'd expect on something like this (eg something like a conviction or the like). --Masem (t) 16:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Nobody in their right mind went into this expecting to convict the pope of genocide. The goal was to convince the pope of genocide, and many were surprised to hear him actually plead guilty on behalf of those he understood as evil and contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I wouldn't call the spiritual leader of 1.3 billion people asking the Creator themself for forgiveness and shamefully asking the victims' pardon "nice and all", unless I was trying to be a sarcastic dick or ignorant atheist about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It is still an empty gesture for all purposes, particularly when the articles covering this talk of other things that could be done. --Masem (t) 13:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not all purposes, but yes, no material reclamation yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not in the article, also the article says that the Canadian Church apologised in September 2021, so it just seems like an extension of this? Either way, if it's not in the article, we cannot post it, and if it's added to the article, then I'm sceptical as there isn't that much coverage of this. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: Both rationales for opposing above seem to have been ameliorated. The article is updated with April 1 news, and I've added more sources regarding coverage. There are also many more independent and reliable sources from many different countries covering this as well. --Jayron32 16:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No it doesn't, at least for mine. Nothing actionable has happened here; its (hypothetically) if the Russian Catholic church apologized to Ukraine for Putin's invasion - Nothing has changed about the invasion. At least from the CBC there are potentially actionable steps the church could do such as rolling back past policies that would retrify matters. An apology is not really actionable. --Masem (t) 16:34, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I wasn't responding to your rationale, I was responding to the two rationales that Joseph used. Regardless, you don't need to defend yourself to me. Everybody around here already knows how much of a problem I am to the ITN process. You can go back to ignoring me like everyone should. --Jayron32 16:45, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict)It hadn't been updated when I posted. Just because the regular news articles publish it, that doesn't make it ITN worthy. It isn't a front page news story on e.g. BBC News, whereas most ITN-worthy news does usually feature on front pages of most big news websites. This is a valid policy-based oppose, so stop trying to claim otherwise. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't say it wasn't policy based. I said that they had since been ameliorated, which is to say, fixed after the fact. You can vote however you want. It's no skin off my teeth. You don't need to defend yourself to me. Remember, I am the problem around here. Never forget that. --Jayron32 16:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no ITN policy for significance that says anything like what you are saying. The guidelines state that the item must be covered on newsworthy sources (which this is) and that there is a consensus to post. See WP:ITNCRIT. WaltCip-(talk) 18:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is big news. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 16:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is very good quality, article has been updated, topic is in major news sources. Checks all of the boxes for me! --Jayron32 16:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Masem, Joseph2302. These retroactive apologies for historical misdeeds offered by current heads of historically offending institutions may be mollifying for present-day members of the groups wronged, but beyond that have little effect and IMO lack wider significance. – Sca (talk) 17:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I find the pope's thinly veiled rebuke today of "potentate" Putin over Ukraine much more consequential. – Sca (talk) 13:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Nice quality article, significant update from new news, covered by every major news outlet, opposition votes (mentions of the Canadian Church, not being front page on BBC News, and lack of something "actionable") are nitpicky IMHO and far less important to consider than the feelings of the affected: First Nations’ Chief Gerald Antoine echoed the sentiment, saying Francis recognized the cultural “genocide” that had been inflicted on Indigenous. “Today is a day that we’ve been waiting for. And certainly one that will be uplifted in our history,” he said. “It’s a historical first step, however, only a first step.”[2] – Muboshgu (talk) 17:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • And the "action" at least seems to be that Pope Francis will travel to Canada to apologize in person soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      I feel like that would be the more appropriate time to post it personally. Would what happened today be considered the "formal apology"? Floydian τ ¢ 19:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      This delegation traveled the same distance, with the same purpose, in greater number. I'd consider it the first apology. The second, if it happens, will be more personal (for the survivors, relatives and peripheral victims who didn't make this trip) but still as formal as any papal visit. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem and Sca. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - A contextually enormous response from the Catholic Church. We should be in the business of posting high quality articles that are in the news, and that's what this is. --WaltCip-(talk) 18:01, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As a Canadian raised part Catholic and part Ojibwe (though mostly secular), I personally feel the goodness and bigness of this apology. I accept it as genuine, historic and alright. But I'm not about to contribute to this schism over whether the general Wikipedian audience needs to know. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Seems notable, one of the biggest headlines right now below Ukraine. Article in good shape. Davey2116 (talk) 19:23, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The target article is lengthy and difficult to navigate. If this is posted, it may be necessary to make the update into a separate section in the target article and then link directly to that section in the blurb, instead of making the reader try to locate the update. Alternatively, it might be useful to have an update in the lead of the article.
  • Oppose Much as we don't post the 12 country to legalize gay marriage, we shouldn't be post the guy who apologies decades after his peers. As others have stated, this comes with no substantive action (how about dipping into those coffers for reparations?), so posting only serves to praise him for taking an action he stubbornly refused to for a decade. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The pope's only peers are previous popes, in Roman Catholicism, none of which ever apologized. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Uh, no. The pope's peers are fellow church heads and heads of state. But I do think you are hinting at the issue here: an archaic view of the pope's sway as the titular leader of 1/6 of the world who is seen as infallible. Modern Catholics feel comfortable rejecting anything he says that contradicts their priors. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    More about his papal supremacy than his papal infallibility. Not belittling the Archbishop of Canterbury, either, but Anglicans did have objectively much less to do with this dark chapter in Canadian government. I hear you on his waning influence; per a prophecy I also take somewhat seriously, Francis is the last real pope. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Significance appears to be limited as evidenced by the fact that news item does not rate its own article. Nice gesture though. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:38, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is historic. It's the recognition of a history involving genocide and is major news for the Roman Catholic Church. -TenorTwelve (talk) 04:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the pope only apologised for the conduct of some members of the RCC, not for the church as a whole. Stephen 06:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, yeah, not all of us tortured generations of people in the hopes of eradicating their way of life. Most Catholics are better than that. The worst I've done is adultery. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Only nine to go then. Stephen 07:20, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Five left, actually; I said adultery was the worst. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant acknowledgement of the evils done by the Catholic Church. The article is comprehensive and well sourced.Melmann 07:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The lead of the article says nothing about the Catholic church whose role in this seems to have been similar to numerous other Canadian institutions. As a previous pope already expressed his regrets over 10 years ago, this seems to be just more of the same. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not significant enough for posting. The announcement is an attempt at rehabilitating the Church’s reputation without action to settle the victims’ claims. Jehochman Talk 13:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Hard no to posting an "apology". Actions speak louder than words, and to anyone who is not a Catholic this means very little or not at all. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I imagine it means quite a bit to the 1-2/3 million aboriginals in Canada, although perhaps still with a similar sentiment (re: actions vs. words). - Floydian τ ¢ 14:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't disagree. There are decent number of combined First Nation individuals and Catholics combined that it would matter too, but I think the lack of progression from words to actions hurts this nom. As also noted above this feels like a face-saving maneuver more than anything. Perhaps not even enough of a "gesture" to call it an "empty gesture". DarkSide830 (talk) 16:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly. I obstained on voting because I feel as though the pope coming to the First Nations and apologising is really the epitome of singular events in this ongoing story. This was just an obligated response really. Floydian τ ¢ 17:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree with the above comments that there must be a very strong presumption against posting official apologies which, by definition, are symbolic actions with limited significance. As mentioned above, this also appears to be only one in a range of apologies for this particular issue too. The only point that gave me pause for thought was the quality of the FA target article but on reflection I am not convinced that this status is actually justified on the basis of the article's current state - hugely long and with more space given to the apologies than to the actual subject itself. I think we should pass. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this is a press release, not a news story. Brazilian man in Italy apologizes for other peoples' actions in Canada. I'm not sure this justifies updating any article, much less front-page coverage. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 20:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    He's Argentinian, but whatever. BSMRD (talk) 21:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    He's argentinian, but go off. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 01:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    He's also in the Vatican City, not Italy, but apart from that... Thryduulf (talk) 09:23, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Nancy Milford

Article: Nancy Milford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Washington Post
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (March 31). —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shirley Burkovich

Article: Shirley Burkovich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Human genome sequencing

Article: Human genome (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists perform complete sequencing of human genome. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Science
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The paper was published in Science, so meets our bar in that regard. Looks like this milestone endeavor is finally completed. Brandmeistertalk 10:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The human genome article needs a few cites on some of the later sections. Also would want to see more summarizing the complete sequencing (eg how many encoding there are/etc.). But implicit support on the reported accomplishment. --Masem (t) 12:33, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I second that. It's a great science story, and a huge milestone. Tone 13:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We've posted human genome sequencing stories before, e.g. Ancient Native American genome sequenced in 2014. The achievement this time seems to be that the sequence is gapless but this was done in 2020 and announced in 2021, nine months ago. This seems to be rather a technicality so any blurb should make the incremental nature of the achievement clear, rather than it being some wholly new thing. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • ?Support? I was curious and tried to read through the wiki articles but things seem confusing: the Science article publishes a full genome missing chromosome Y, and CNN article says "the scientists were unable to sequence the Y chromosome originally. According to lead author, the team has managed to sequence the Y chromosome using a different set of cells", but that is NOT in the Science article. Seems to be only in a linked database. Just for context, the Science article says it reduced the number of issues by 80% and still seems to have 24 different "contig" which I am unsure if it refers to the number of chromosomes (which should be 23?) versus the 949 that existed before (i.e. now we have 24 chromosomes instead of 23 but previously the picture had 949 chromosomes?). Perhaps someone can tweak the linked article for better clarity. 188.27.42.181 (talk) 15:11, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the blurb is too vague. It is both confusing and inaccurate as written. And I think the problem is "there isn't much news here", not "we need to re-write the blurb". User:力 (powera, π, ν) 20:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Moana Jackson

Article: Moana Jackson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Zealand Herald Radio New Zealand The Guardian
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Influential New Zealander. Article has been tidied up by myself and others, happy to make any further improvements if needed. Chocmilk03 (talk) 22:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In the past it was required for a bibliography section or in this case the Selected publications section to either have the ISBN numbers next to the listed works or references. If that's still the case, then this article needs that section sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TDKR Chicago 101: Thanks! I'm not really sure myself what the requirements are, but I've added URLs for the journal/conference articles and an ISBN for the book chapter. The listings also include the information that would be included in a full reference anyway (date, volume, page etc). Hope this addresses the point. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 03:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John T. Richardson

Article: John T. Richardson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Censorship of Wikipedia

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Article: Censorship of Wikipedia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian media censorship agency Roskomnadzor threatens to fine Wikipedia up to 4 million rubles (about $49,000) if it does not delete information that goes against the Kremlin's official narrative on the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): (Forbes)
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Nominator's comments: Very notable news story, especially for Wikipedia. Desertambition (talk) 21:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Margaret M. McGowan

Article: Margaret M. McGowan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (March 30); died on March 16. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Turing Award

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Article: Jack Dongarra (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In computing, Jack Dongarra (pictured) wins the Turing Award for his contributions towards supercomputing. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Masem (t) 00:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Farthest known star discovered

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Article: WHL0137-LS (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: WHL0137-LS, the farthest known star, is discovered 12.9 billion light-years away from Earth. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Earendel, the farthest known star, is discovered 12.9 billion light-years away from Earth.
News source(s): Nature, NASA, The New York Times+comment, The Washington Post, BBC,
  • Support I guess this is rather interesting and not at all usual, so I tentatively support it (though I still have qualms since this is just the farthest star, not the farthest object, but oh well). The article looks like its in a decent shape though. --5.44.170.26 (talk) 02:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I love the science involved in this stuff, but I don't see what makes this discovery newsworthy. "Furthest known" simply means the next one we find that's a little further away will replace this one. HiLo48 (talk) 02:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's a maximum distance however. When we look into the sky we're seeing the past (because light takes time to travel to us), which means there's a maximum limit set by the Big Bang. There are a lot more subtle details, e.g. the universe wasn't transparent till so-called recombination so we will never see right to the Big Bang, the universe is expanding and there's another limit set by how fast the universe expands (see observable universe), etc. Hence the idea that "we'll find something a little further away" is contentious - there might not be another star further away. Banedon (talk) 13:52, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
'Strong support' = support. – Sca (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Image of a single star to test the focus of the James Webb Space Telescope
  • Wait Identifying this as a single star seems premature and the suggested image isn't clear. All they have is a faint smear of light with a high red shift. They have been studying it for years but can't yet resolve it to determine whether it's a single star, a binary or more complex. The James Webb telescope is expected to tell us more. BTW, that instrument is starting to produce interesting images to test the alignment of its mirrors. (right). At some point soon, we should publish the nominal "first". That instrument will then produce lots more interesting images and we'll be spoilt for choice. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support - As OA of the WHL0137-LS article, I also consider the discovery of star WHL0137-LS major news - my own related published comments in The New York Times is here if interested - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 10:47, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's a stub, so needs to be expanded before being listed on ITN. Right now it doesn't meet article quality requirements. No matter how many people post support here, it won't be posted unless significantly expanded. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Joseph2302: and others - Yes - *entirely* agree - article has now been a bit more expanded with further text - further expansion is ongoing currently - additional help in expanding the article from other editors welcome of course - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 12:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
'Strong support' = support. – Sca (talk) 14:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • In fact Tone you said you wanted to posted, there was a clear objection to that comment from Sca who raised the continued article quality issue, yet you posted it anyway? That doesn't seem sensible to me... Joseph2302 (talk) 16:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    As I said, the article was brief but it was expanded since the previous time I checked so I felt it met the minimum. I let the others to decide how to continue with this. Tone 17:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's barely a start class article, a clear violation of article quality guidelines. I hope anither admin will pull this if you won't, as we shouldn't be surrendering article quality for haste. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting Support - per the nine other supports. No, I'm not vote counting. The discovery is of global interest and though still brief, is growing. I commend the posting admin for adding the blurb. Cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting Support - What a nice change of pace from our regularly scheduled disasters, human suffering and politicians winning elections. The discovery was published in Nature, and of course there are a bunch of uncertainty, but such is the nature of astronomy. If the nominator waited for JWST to look at it, I'm sure it would have been called stale. The article is brief, but in line with what is known. Melmann 17:29, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Still quite thin for ITN promotion – abut 250 words. To this user seems rather pro-science undue. (Consensus questionable.) But not in favor of pulling – that would be lame Pushmi-Pullya editing. (And BTW, we're not an online feature magazine and don't need a "change of pace" to sweeten the product.)Sca (talk) 18:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: "The farthest known star" seems ungrammatical. It has to be the farthest from something, e.g. the star known to be farthest from Earth (or something similar). – Sca (talk) 18:10, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Farthest presumes the speaker or interlocutors, unless indicating otherwise. "From here" is implied, and the use of "farthest" without a referent is common and not ungrammatical. Given that it is the farthest from every person who will be reading it, it doesn't need more specificity. --Jayron32 18:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How very presumptuous of a mere adjective. – Sca (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ernie Carroll

Article: Ernie Carroll (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sydney Morning Herald, News.com.au
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Nominator's comments: Puppeteer, actor, and entertainer. Best known as the puppeteer for Ossie Ostrich on 'Hey Hey It's Saturday' Cheers! Fakescientist8000 19:45, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tom Parker

Article: Tom Parker (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 — User:Fabulousbargains 17:55, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) MONUSCO helicopter crash

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Article: 2022 MONUSCO helicopter crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Puma Helicopter, part of MONUSCO belonging to Pakistan Army's aviation division crashed, killing all eight peacekeepers on board in eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Eight UN Peacekeepers die in eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo after their plane crashed during a reconnaissance mission.
Alternative blurb II: ​ UN Mission's helicopter crashes in a conflict zone in North Kivu, DRC, killing all eight peacekeepers onboard.
News source(s): CNN Deutsche Welle Al Jazeera The News Reuters France 24
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Nominator's comments: I believe it is not a very big news, however, it has seen sufficient coverage from across different reputed new outlets. Elmisnter! (talk) 12:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Joyce Fairbairn

Article: Joyce Fairbairn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Calgary Herald
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The first woman to serve as the leader of the Government in the Senate. This wikibio could use more elaboration here and there to make it look less like a prosefied CV. --PFHLai (talk) 13:12, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sara Suleri Goodyear

Article: Sara Suleri Goodyear (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT obit
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Nominator's comments: Subject died on March 20, New York Times obit posted yesterday. — GhostRiver 17:16, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Serhiy Kot

Article: Serhiy Kot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): istpravda.com.ua
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Influential Ukrainian historian who cared about the restitution of cultural treasures. I'm also the creator but hope for someone knowing the languages better for expansion, it's a bit of a puzzle so far. Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jeff Carson

Article: Jeff Carson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: CNN obit published yesterday. Not Bigfoot (talk) 09:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Mostly  Done Grimes2 (talk) 16:57, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
30+ edits already on the refs, Grimes2? I'm listing you as an updater for this nom. Thank you for your hard work. --PFHLai (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed Image removed by Stephen and biography section is cleaned now. Grimes2 (talk) 04:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eugene Melnyk

Article: Eugene Melnyk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TSN, Ottawa Senators
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Nominator's comments: Owner of the NHL's Ottawa Senators, businessman and philanthropist. The Kip (talk) 02:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. RoyalObserver (talk) 14:21, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@RoyalObserver: Do you mind explaining? I apologize for nitpicking, but ITN really tries to avoid unexplained !votes (such as yours). Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support cn's  Fixed. ok. Grimes2 (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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