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1985–86 Gillingham F.C. season

1985–86 Gillingham F.C. season (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

• Featured article candidates/1985–86 Gillingham F.C. season/archive1

Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Here's my 11th nomination of a season from the history of English football club Gillingham F.C. I was 13 years old at the time and was devastated when the team managed to blow their chance of promotion. Hopefully this article won't do the same - see what I did there.....? :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Comments by FrB.TG

Placeholder, leaving comments later today. FrB.TG (talk) 08:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Comments by mujinga

• Gillingham F.C. not Gillingham at top of infobox?
• I'll come back to lead after reading through the article
• "gained promotion from the Fourth Division as runners-up in 1974" - not sure if "as runners-up" is needed
• "made his debut but was substituted" - maybe say in what minute? could then use "then" instead of "but"
  • Unfortunately I could not find a source for that specific detail -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
• "Two days later, Gillingham won their first league game of the season" - I'm confused, do you mean "Two days later, Gillingham won their first away league game of the season"?
  • No, it was their first win of any kind. See the results table further down -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
    • ah I see now! so they lost to lincoln, right Mujinga (talk) 09:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
    • so I'm getting thrown off in this section by a couple of things. "The team's first game of the season was away to Lincoln City on 17 August and resulted in a 1–0 win for the home team;[10] Elsey made his debut but was substituted.[11] Gillingham finished the game with ten men after Terry Cochrane was sent off.[12] Seven days later the team played their first home Third Division game" - 1/ I think Third Division needs to be moved up to the beginning in "team's first game" to make it clear that is a Third Division game and 2/"resulted in a 1–0 win for the home team" would be clearer as "resulted in a 1–0 loss" Mujinga (talk) 09:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
• "They extended their unbeaten league run to seven games" - so Lincoln City was a friendly?
  • No - not sure why you would think that from reading the article.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:27, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
    • lincoln / darlington / bristol city / bolton / notts C / chesterfield / wigan / bury - thats eight matches so surely the "unbeaten league run to seven games" should be eight? Mujinga (talk) 09:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
      • solved above Mujinga (talk) 09:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
• "They extended their unbeaten league run to seven games with draws against Notts County and Chesterfield and wins over Wigan Athletic and Bury,[10] after which Gillingham were fourth in the league table" - seems strange to start with they and then have Gillingham later on, suggest "The team extended ... after which they .."
• "Cascarino was suspended" suggest "Cascarino had been suspended"
  • Standard wording in football reporting would be as shown here -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
• " two players joined Gillingham. David Tong, a midfielder, joined" - two times joined, suggest changing one
• "The result left Gillingham in fifth place, two points off the promotion places, but they were at a disadvantage as they had played at least two games more than all the teams above them.[33] Gillingham won their next two games but then lost 1–0 at home to Newport County on 29 April." - as a general point, from the lead already onwards I'm noticing a lot of "buts" and for exampel there are two in the chunk quoted here. I'd suggest changing some, not particularly fussed how/where
• " 102nd scored by the team in all competitions" suggest " 102nd scored by the team in all competitions in a single season" - obvious to you no doubt but i had to think about it
• "midfielder Mehmet took over in goal after Hillyard was injured" - first mention for Mehmet so maybe full name, first mention for Hillyard after lead so maybe full name and link
• "at home with goals from Robinson and Mehmet" - same as above for Robinson
• "Cascarino was voted into the PFA Team of the Year" I'd say put Professional Footballers' Association Team of the Year
• "Aftermath" sounds a bit dramatic for a section header, is it standard?
  • Yes, every one of my previous 10 Gills FACs used this heading, as do other football season FAs --ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
    • that's alright then Mujinga (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
• back to lead - "After slipping to as low as ninth, the team climbed to third, but finished 1985 in eighth place. The team continued to challenge for promotion in the second half of the season and were in second place at the end of January, but their form continued to fluctuate. As the end of the season approached, the team were still in with a chance of finishing in a promotion position, but three defeats in the last six games meant that the team ultimately fell short, finishing in fifth place." - too many "buts" and the progression is strange for me. Ah now I see why, it's because "finished 1985 in" makes me think it's the end of the entire season, maybe this could be resolved by something like "After slipping to as low as ninth place, the team climbed to third, and then at the close of 1985 had fallen to eighth"

@Mujinga: - all amended other than where noted above. Many thanks for your thorough review! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

cool I've clarified one thing above Mujinga (talk) 09:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Mujinga: - yup, picked up that too :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Nice one for the superfast replies, I'm pretty much at support now, the one nitpick for me still outstanding is if you wordsearch "but" I still think there are too many instances, even though you have chopped out some. What do you think on that? Mujinga (talk) 10:03, 7 April 2022 (UTC)