Talk:Clamp (manga artists)

Mokona's name

I'll start a new topic for this one. Mokona's (former) name is written as Mokona Apapa for both her English-ized and Japanese name. I believe that it should be switched like all the others, since that would make sense?

Also, in the explanation for the name change, it says Mokona wanted to drop her surname. I believe Mokona is her surname, thus she dropped her first name--Apapa. Am I wrong? --Kyuu 05:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Job descriptions and extensions

Whoever said this article needs a clean-up, I agree with. I think we should include a job description of each member, since they have specific tasks that they are akin to. Clamp also uses a wide variety of plot techiniques, symbolism, and a bunch of stuff that isn't addressed, as well as genres of manga they work on, etc.

Those are some suggestions on how to fix up the article. I'm willing to do a lot of it, but I'd like some help, if that's possible. Right now, it pretty much covers the fact they exist opposed to what they do. Does anyone else have any suggestions?

P.S. - Duklyon Cafe's address is duklyon-cafe.org, not clampgraphics.com. The latter link works, but it was always the former link that refers to that site.--Kyuu 05:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I also changed the name of Gohou Drug from Legal Drug to Lawful Drug in their currents section. Legal Drug is the name that TokyoPop chose to translate the series into, but if you look on any scans, Clamp has always translated it to Lawful Drug, so I think it would only be fair to respect them and label it that as well for at least the section not dealing with the English translations.

titles

Yipdw 09:20, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC): Should Japanese titles be given for all CLAMP titles present on this page, or only for those with English titles that differ substantially (i.e. not just a transliteration of kana)?

Also, what are the correct readings for 特 and 警 in 学園特警デュカリオン (Dukylon: CLAMP School Defenders)? I know that they have on-readings of トク and ケイ, but putting them together doesn't register in my mind or in any Japanese dictionary I've tried.

Blood types and astrological signs

Why are these informations given ? Unless their necessity is explained, they look really very bizarre... Rama 23:47, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I removed the birthsigns. As the birth date's are given I see no point of keeping them. Uwilldrop 13:40, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

the japanese really believe in the relevance of these. they haven't any taboos on the occult. dunno if it's relevant or not HERE, but just throwing that out there.

On their Clamp no Kiseki release, for their profiles, they had their birthdates and bloodtypes (and place of birth, I believe). I agree astrological signs are needless, but blood types shouldn't be thrown out if they're on official releases.--Kyuu 05:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

So what if the Japs have no Taboo for the occult? This is an Encyclopedia, not Witch Weekly. There are guidelines that state not to include irrelevant info and the blood types are completely irrelivent for this article. Can you see the page of the members of Jackass listng their bloodtypes? This is an artical about CLAMP and I do not see how the listing of their blood types is even distantly relivant for this. jeez. why dont we list their freakin lucky numbers? that is at least as relevent for this article as blood types are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.28.235.44 (talk) 14:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

Collaborations

Should anime based on CLAMP series be put here? They haven't been included in the past, but with this last change I'm wondering if things should change... -Yipdw 20:58, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Never mind -- I did some research, and I think I see the distinction now. Sweet Valerian isn't a work based off of another CLAMP work; they really did do original character designs. -Yipdw 20:59, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

U.S. bias

And yet another U.S. biased article. Why is this article centered around the U.S. publication of CLAMP's work? For example, it says that only one volume of RG Veda has been published, while there are nine more volumes to be published. Excuse me? All ten volumes have been published in Japan. And what's worse, in the "In Progress Works" section, the number of volumes published in the U.S. comes first, while the number of volumes published in Japan is between brackets. Why?

In my opinion, a section on how many of CLAMP's works have been published in the U.S. is fine, but it is just ridiculous to make it the central part of the article. CLAMP is Japanese, their works are originally published in Japan, and the Japanese market is the one that matters to them. Other markets come second.--Pecholobo 22:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Those who expanded the article to include information on international publication are United States citizens; therefore, while they will know about the status of CLAMP works in Japan, they're also interested in the release of CLAMP works in their own country. I personally keep up with CLAMP releases in Japan and the United States, but nowhere else, as I just don't have the time to do so.

If you have a problem with this, feel free to expand the offending sections to include information about releases worldwide.

Nevertheless, I think it's fair and logical to suggest that the status of CLAMP works in Japan should come first, and other countries second; I'll get to work on switching that around. -Yipdw 23:54, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My problem is not that there is only information about Japanese and American editions, but that the American editions are given more importance than the original ones. I understand that U.S. citizens are mainly interested in American editions, just like people from other countries are mainly interested in their own editions - that's not what I was complaining about. My only problem is with how the article is presented. Thanks for working on that. :) --Pecholobo 14:40, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah -- I think I misread your original comment. Sorry about that :) -Yipdw 18:13, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No true anime fan or unbiased individual would consider using the Anglicized titles and releases of books using those title. Seemed fitting. --Jadenguy

Clover incomplete?

I didn't realize this, as it seemed complete to me, even if it was lacking backstory. Any information to support this? --Jadenguy

• Clover is listed as an incomplete project because that's how it is listed on www.clamp-net.com which is the official website. I, however, have postulated that this is a symbolic move rather than an indication that they intend to create more. It's impossible to say though Zephyrprince 11:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
  • CLAMP states in volume 2 of CLAMP no Kiseki that there would have been a fifth and sixth volume, but the magazine that Clover was serialized in went under and because of such a circumstance the series is thus incomplete. Soulsteelgray 22:00, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Thats so freaking interesting. Was there any indication that they might ever pick it back up in that article? Zephyrprince 01:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
      • Ageha did say that she'd like to resume the series should she ever get the chance. Soulsteelgray 22:18, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
        • Awesome. I sure hope to read more clover some day.--JadenGuy 23:40, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Different numbers of volumes?

Just to make sure I'm not going crazy...

Look at the Cardcaptor Sakura entries in CLAMP#International_publishing_status_of_CLAMP_works.

The CLAMP-NET database has 24 entries for Cardcaptor Sakura, but 12 of those are reprints (marked with 新装版), which would mean that the series is really only 12 volumes long. Did JBC split the series up into 24 volumes, or is this inaccurate information? -Yipdw 07:39, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

They re published them. Authintic manga's and the different way. Dont know what that is called. A total 24 different ones. But 2 for every one. (22:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC))

"Raging lesbians"

While it would obviously be awesome if CLAMP did in fact consist entirely of raging lesbians, I'm not sure a simple rumour to that effect is really Wikipedia material. In the absence of verification or a source, I move that the rumour be stricken from the record. 221.187.121.183 13:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'm a Japanese, but I have never heard such a kind of rumor. I think that the possibility of fabrication is high.--Morio 15:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism?

Whoever keeps adding this section on plagarism on doesn't seem to have substainal proof, considering this person is noting similarities in plot and art with other stories, which seem rather obscure. To be perfectly honest, I don't think this is enough to say Clamp is plagarising just because their works are things in common with others. For example, this person says that a character in one manga resembles Sakura Kinomoto in CCS. The thing is, there are other characters in other stories who also look like Sakura (like Alice Seno in Alice19th or the main character of Dream Saga), yet nobody has been accused of plagarism in those cases.

I've tried to just hide it (with < ! -- tag)so when the person tries add it again, they would at least assert themselves in this page, but they just added it again somewhere else and totally missed the message. And just a small detail, but this person's grammar is awful.

I've commented out the section again and left a note in that user's talk page. I agree that most of these assertions sound like POV more than anything. There will always be similarities between one work and another. With all the manga, anime, or even any modern art that has been created, one is just bound by now to "accidentally plagiarize" another. This is the first time I've heard of this concerning CLAMP. (They were originally a doujinshi circle, sure, so they probably had inspirations from other series, but I wouldn't call any of their present works plagiarism.) --Crisu 13:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Rating

on the articles one the manga should there be their ratings such as A, Y, T, OT etc (70.244.114.211 22:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC))

Article needs improvement

This article is quite good when it comes to details but I'm not quite sure if they are encyclopedic. Frankly, alot of people probably don't care about details on what year he or she left, but rather, what type of work they do, what kind of anime, influence, etc. I'll refrain from editing the article since I'm sure somebody who is more apt and knowledgeable would.

Cleanup

The external links contain a lot of things that WP:EL advises against. I think a few of them should actually be references instead. Also, I think the page is getting rather long, the most prominent thing I'd suggest to split into its own article is definitely the "International Publishing Status" section. Any other suggestions? Melesse 07:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Since someone had already taken it upon themselves to remove the "International publishing status" section, I have now moved it to its own article. --KagamiNoMiko 15:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Night Head

Is anyone willing to cite where they found the information about their contribution to Night Head? Makoto Tateno seems to have done the illustrations for all 8 volumes of the series (reference). Or are we talking about another series? Because I'm confused. Kyuu 23:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I guess it would be more correct to call them novel illustrations; I think I'll fix that right now. I have the books, they do definitely have CLAMP illustrations. Melesse 09:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Capitalisation and WP:MOS-TM

CLAMP was batch renamed to Clamp once [1] "per WP:MOS-TM." I reverted this because it was unprecedented way of capitalising CLAMP. If anyone is interested, there may be something wrong with either WP:MOS-TM, the way it was interpreted, or even actually the way CLAMP has been written all along. —Tokek 02:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually there was nothing wrong with the way WP:MOS-TM was interpreted. Clamp is a trademark, it is officially rendered in all-uppercase, yet it is not an acronym. Hence it is akin to the REALTOR/Realtor example given in the Manual of Style. - Cyrus XIII 13:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

There's one in three things that could be wrong here. —Tokek 11:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Inōe Yuzuru, CLAMP member or not?

I often see Inōe Yuzuru listed as a twelfth CLAMP member, but on the dōjinshi in which she participated, she is credited as a guest. So, since the first part of the article is listing Yuzuru and since I am not able to change that part of the text, I was wondering if someone could do it for me. I mean, once I would find back the donjinshi in which she participated and would have scan the part with the credit to prouve my claims, of course. ^_~ Mireime 03:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)