Talk:History of Kashmir

== Durrani Empire == The history of Kashmir is complex, but well documented mainly due to the Rajataringini. Most Kashmiri Muslims are converts to Semitic Islam from Aryan Hindus. Thus the Pandits and most Muslims are the same people. Kashmir was a very violent place in the early period. Among others Samgramraja helped the Hindu Shahi kings of Kabul againt the Turk Mahmud of Ghazni. Kashmir always lacked a population, yet Ghazni was thrashed by the Kashmiris. Later on Yusuf Chalk leading a tiny Kashmiri Army defeated the huge army of Akbar more than once, Mughals made it to Kashmir by deceit but never got peace Abhu-Fazl also mentions this. A tiny army of Kashmiris led by Raja Sukhjiwanmal thrashed the huge army of Durrani and the captured Afghan soldiers were sent to Durrani on donkeys with dunce caps. Only due to internal conflict Durrani was aided by some Kashmiris and he thus took Kashmir by deceit,. It was then Pandit Birbal Dhar, Raja Gulab Singh Jamwal, who aided the great Maharaja Ranjit Singh that the Afghans were decimated and Kashmir came under the Jat-Sikhs and later under Dogra-Rajputs.''''

SamHolt6, I am afraid much of your new content is not verified by the source (e.g., it doesn't say Sukhjiwal Mal "revolted") even if it can be verified, it does not appear WP:DUE in a History of Kashmir article. Is this some old content that you are reinstating? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: I think that is a fair reading of the situation, so I've altered the altered the text ("revolted" changed to "rebelled"), added a citation that explicitly describes a rebellion, and added an additional footnote. Now there is a source noting Mal's change in allegiance, a source describing this action as a rebellion against the Durrani, and a source specifying the year of Mal's defeat. I've also (prudent given the SYNTH concern) scaled back content and sources imported from other Wikipedia articles; while these sources are likely to meet WP:RS and I would like to assume their adders did their due diligence in citing, some were difficult to track down and therefor difficult to verify what they were being used to support. Now at-least all of the sources used can be confirmed as accessible. SamHolt6 (talk) 03:05, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2021

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Oct 26, 2020·2 min read

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• KASHMIR owes its name to KASH TRIBE*

An EXCERPT from a research paper authored by DAHAN LEVI and Fida M. Hassnain. " KASHMIR owes its name to "KASH" TRIBE and Not to mythical KASHYAPA or KASHAP RISHI..

The valley of Kashmir is known by its inhabitants as "Kasheer" because it was a settlement of a race known as "Kash' or "Cush" . "Kashur" means those who eat meat…… Kash or Cush was the son of Ham and a grandson Noah(A.S). He was the founder of the Kash or Cush tribe, which settled in the east. This tribe founded Kash, a village near Bagdad. These people named rivers, mountains, cities and countries after the name of their ancestor Kash or Cush. In Mesopotamia, they founded a kingdom and the Kashan river in that country is a testimony of this fact. Kashmar, a village near Nishapur in Iran, was also founded by them. This tribe also proceeded towards Central Asia and founded many settlements. Kashmohra, a village in Merv; Kash, a village in Bokhara; Kashband and Kashania, villages in Samarkand, Kashgar, in the Chinese Turkistan, were their settlements in central Asia. In Mesopotamia, the tribe founded the towns of Kashan, Kashaf and Kashi. They also moved towards Afghanistan and founded settlements at Kashkar, Kashhil, Kashek and Kashu. While the Hindu-Kush mountains are named after them, they also founded a settlement south of this mountain range known as Kashmor. It was Babar the founder of the Moghul dynasty in India who pointed out in his memoirs that the etymology of the word Kashmir is derived from the Kash or Cush tribe which inhabited the valley. This tribe settled in the region now known as Kashtawar, District of Kashmir. Crossing the Pir-Panjal range, these people spread in the valley of Kashmir. Kush-tawar, in the Pulwama District, Kashnag, a spring in the Islamabad District, and Isae-Kush village bear the name of this tribe. According to an old tradition (propagated by indian historians), the name Kashmir is derived from Kashyapa. However. there is no linguistic evidence to support this idea, because the whole fable of Kashyapa and his progeny is astronomical. Had Kashyapa drained the valley of its waters or found his progeny in any part of the valley, its capital would have been termed as Kash-yapa-nagar or Kash-yapa-pur, as is the way with the etymologies of that period. According to the latest geological researches, it has been established that the valley of Kashmir was a lake millions of years back and its water found its outlet by the volcanic* agency through a narrow gorge at Baramulla." Lone Numan Ishaq (talk) 07:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

You'll have to provide the actual text you want changed with the citations, because as it stands it's incredibly unlikely anyone is going to try and parse the excerpt you posted and figure out what to change, and where. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:36, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, please provide the WP:Full citation for your source. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2021

Change "Use Commonwealth English" to "EngvarB" per tfd outcome Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#To_convert, and probably best not use either Indian or Pakistani English specifically as choosing one or the other could be inflammatory. 81.2.252.231 (talk) 02:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

 Already done some time after this request. 15 (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Misleading and biased opening paragraph

"In the first half of the 1st millennium, the Kashmir region became an important centre of Buddhism and later of Hinduism; later in the ninth century, Shaivism arose which saw a major decline to Kashmiri Buddhism, during the era of Hindu king Mihirkula, Buddhists were massacred, and Shaivism was glorified. Islam then came to Kashmir during 13th to 15th century by sufi saints and led to the eventual decline of the Kashmir Shaivism in Kashmir"

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This the opening paragraph which has been written citing no references, and with very heavy personal bias. It screams propaganda. The injection 'during the era of Hindu king Mihirkula, Buddhists were massacred, and Shaivism was glorified' has been added forcefully. As the article on 'Mihirkula' also states he was a Huna king. He wasn't born into any of the hindu castes. He was opposed by kashmiri Brahmins themselves. He was from Alphon huns dynasty who practiced different religions and gave patronage accordingly. The identity of Hindu has been forced on him to set a narrative. The paragraph on purpose omit the heavy persecution and iconoclasm by Skandar Shah Miri , but somehow labels a Hun king as hindu and adds it. Both Shaivism and bhudhism had grown side by side even in Ashoka's riegn. This opening paragraph is highly misleading and heavily biased. Please rectify it. Trueroad7 (talk) 11:10, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

the dominance of Buddhism in Kashmir after it was introduced to the valley by Ashoka is an established fact,the 4th great Buddhist council was also held in Kashmir.Mihirkulas rule and presecution of Buddhists in Kashmir as well as the genocide of Buddhists in the surrounding regions chiefly in Baltistan is also a well established fact.So is the rise of Militant Hinduism . KasheerParast (talk) 14:37, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Change following incorrect sentence.

Change "'In 1339, Shah Mir became the first Muslim ruler of Kashmir' to 'Rinchan (Sadruddin Shah) met Bulbul Shah and converted to Islam. The first-ever Buddhist ruler of Kashmir now became the first-ever Muslim ruler of Kashmir. In 1339, Shah Mir inaugurated the Shah Mir dynasty, the first Muslim dynasty to rule Kashmir.'" Shoaibagoo (talk) 08:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Pinging TrangaBellam. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 02:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

This is correct. Sources are at Rinchan. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2022

Jhangir carved kashmir as subah according to padam bhushan irfan habib book atlas of kashmir please correct this. 2405:205:B082:D641:0:0:2AC2:E0A5 (talk) 00:50, 16 April 2022 (UTC)