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::::{{re|Konli17}}, The turks are there because of irredentism? It's been 100 years that you gone from area, and armenians still complaining about their old lands, then we must write all balkans to our old lands for claim? Slavs there for their irrenditsm bla bla. Its wikipedia not your countrys history book and history doesnt't work like this. |
::::{{re|Konli17}}, The turks are there because of irredentism? It's been 100 years that you gone from area, and armenians still complaining about their old lands, then we must write all balkans to our old lands for claim? Slavs there for their irrenditsm bla bla. Its wikipedia not your countrys history book and history doesnt't work like this. |
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The assumption that Turks have even remotely as much rights to the Balkans as Armenians do to this region is so god-awfully wrong that it should be actively censored. The simplest explanation is this: Armenians are the original inhabitants, who, against all odds, lived and created in this territory, regardless whether it was part of independent Armenian states or not. The Turks came to the area through exceptionally violent conquest - talking about both Western Armenia and the Balkans. The natives of either of these regions were not Turks. The claims made by Armenians do not carry the notion of a past empire's ambitions, they are the direct result of severe injustice and are completely valid. Land belongs to people via right of national heritage, political sovereignty is something that has been challenged and changed dramatically ever since the concept started existing. Finally, Armenians are not gone through the region: many "Turks" and "Kurds" have full or partial Armenian ancestry. The reason behind this reality is the systematic effort of the Turkish post-Ottoman government to create a homogenous, monoethnic state where there wasn't one - the process forcefully assimilated and Turkified the area's native inhabitants. Please take your historical negationism elsewhere. [[User:Armeniangigachad|Աշոտ]] ([[User talk:Armeniangigachad|talk]]) 21:50, 21 April 2022 (UTC) |
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== It must be named as Historical Western Armenia or something like this == |
== It must be named as Historical Western Armenia or something like this == |
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Armenian highland?
Why is this a separate article from Armenian highlands? Seraphim System (talk) 23:01, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Seraphim System:, because this is a political concept, not a geographical area. Beshogur (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Turkish irredentism
@Konli17:, do you figure out what irredentism means? Western Armenia is not a Turkish political concept but Armenian. Perhaps you confuse it with Armenian Highlands. This is not a geographical area, but a political concept, and it is an Armenian concept. Learn the difference. Beshogur (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- It's not just a concept, but also a part of Armenia. The Turks are there because of Turkish irredentism. Konli17 (talk) 23:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- You are confusing conquests with irredentism. Beshogur (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- You're confusing cause with effect. Konli17 (talk) 00:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Konli17:, The turks are there because of irredentism? It's been 100 years that you gone from area, and armenians still complaining about their old lands, then we must write all balkans to our old lands for claim? Slavs there for their irrenditsm bla bla. Its wikipedia not your countrys history book and history doesnt't work like this.
- You're confusing cause with effect. Konli17 (talk) 00:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- You are confusing conquests with irredentism. Beshogur (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Adding sig for future archiving. - Kevo327 (talk) 21:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
The assumption that Turks have even remotely as much rights to the Balkans as Armenians do to this region is so god-awfully wrong that it should be actively censored. The simplest explanation is this: Armenians are the original inhabitants, who, against all odds, lived and created in this territory, regardless whether it was part of independent Armenian states or not. The Turks came to the area through exceptionally violent conquest - talking about both Western Armenia and the Balkans. The natives of either of these regions were not Turks. The claims made by Armenians do not carry the notion of a past empire's ambitions, they are the direct result of severe injustice and are completely valid. Land belongs to people via right of national heritage, political sovereignty is something that has been challenged and changed dramatically ever since the concept started existing. Finally, Armenians are not gone through the region: many "Turks" and "Kurds" have full or partial Armenian ancestry. The reason behind this reality is the systematic effort of the Turkish post-Ottoman government to create a homogenous, monoethnic state where there wasn't one - the process forcefully assimilated and Turkified the area's native inhabitants. Please take your historical negationism elsewhere. Աշոտ (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
It must be named as Historical Western Armenia or something like this
Its too sided and like there seems to be an open topic for discussion but actually there isn't open topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarik289 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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