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Requested move 26 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 08:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keith Richard → Keith Richard (basketball) – Based on Google search results for "Keith Richard", that name is far more commonly associated with the Rolling Stones member Keith Richards, because the top search results for "Keith Richard" are about the Stones. Furthermore, "Keith Richard" "Rolling Stone" has over 100k results to around 24k for "Keith Richard" basketball.

This seems to be a case where a misnomer is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Keith Richard" as opposed to someone with the actual name. Thus, I propose redirecting Keith Richard to Keith Richards. Arbor to SJ (talk) 23:40, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Speaking as one who frequently has last name confusion based on the "s", I'd say no, this is just a different name. Dicklyon (talk) 04:30, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The logarithmic page views don't convince me people are arriving on Keith Richard in search of Keith Richards. A hatnote is good enough in this case. Nohomersryan (talk) 05:58, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The hatnote is enough. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:18, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The names are different. The musician shouldn’t lay claim to a misspelling when there is an actual person by that name. The hatnote works. Rikster2 (talk) 15:53, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose since they are different names and the guitarist doesnt have a monopoly on all possible variations of his name. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:11, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 22 April 2022

It has been proposed in this section that Keith Richard be renamed and moved to Keith Richard (basketball).

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Keith Richard → Keith Richard (basketball) – This page was recently moved to Keith Richard (basketball), with the rationale that Keith Richards is the primary topic. However, since that clearly failed a somewhat recent RM (as can be seen above), it isn't uncontroversial so I reverted it and started this one. Any new thoughts on this? Has consensus changed since the last move? I'm officially neutral this time. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would be interesting to see what % of readers arriving at this page go on to Keith Richards. Clickstream doesn't have data yet, which makes sense as the page was only moved back to the basename yesterday. Colin M (talk) 04:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No need for a new RM. The previous one was crystal clear. These are two different people with two different names. In any case, only about 3 people per day (out of 3,833) were using "Keith Richard" while it was a redirect. During the same period, 9 people per day viewed "Keith Richard (basketball)". There's no reason a hatnote isn't sufficient for those three people, even assuming they didn't actually want the basketball player. Station1 (talk) 04:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 [[:Keith Richard]] → {{no redirect|Keith Richard (basketball)}} – This page was recently moved to [[Keith Richard (basketball)]], with the rationale that [[Keith Richards]] is the primary topic. However, since that clearly failed a somewhat recent RM (as can be seen above), it isn't uncontroversial so I reverted it and started this one. Any new thoughts on this? Has consensus changed since the last move? I'm officially neutral this time. [[User:Nohomersryan|Nohomersryan]] ([[User talk:Nohomersryan|talk]]) 23:58, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 *Would be interesting to see what % of readers arriving at this page go on to [[Keith Richards]]. [https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Keith_Richard Clickstream] doesn't have data yet, which makes sense as the page was only moved back to the basename yesterday. [[User:Colin M|Colin M]] ([[User talk:Colin M|talk]]) 04:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose'''. No need for a new RM. The previous one was crystal clear. These are two different people with two different names. In any case, only about [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-90&pages=Keith_Richard|Keith_Richard_(basketball)|Keith_Richards 3 people per day] (out of 3,833) were using "Keith Richard" while it was a redirect. During the same period, 9 people per day viewed "Keith Richard (basketball)". There's no reason a hatnote isn't sufficient for those three people. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 04:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose'''. No need for a new RM. The previous one was crystal clear. These are two different people with two different names. In any case, only about [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-90&pages=Keith_Richard|Keith_Richard_(basketball)|Keith_Richards 3 people per day] (out of 3,833) were using "Keith Richard" while it was a redirect. During the same period, 9 people per day viewed "Keith Richard (basketball)". There's no reason a hatnote isn't sufficient for those three people, even assuming they didn't actually want the basketball player. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 04:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)