Template talk:Infobox French commune

Polynesia: specific parameters?

I have cleaned up the tracking tracking category. The 40 or so pages left have these two parameters, so far unknown in the template: |administrative subdivision= and |commune center=. See for example Hiva-Oa.

They seem to be specific for French Polynesia communes.

• |administrative subdivision= See French Polynesia#Administrative divisions. Looks like a formal administrative layer (one above the commune) in F.P. So should it be added?

• |commune center= looks like the actual village or town. To add?

I am not an expert in this, so I leave it. pls ping me if you want further contact. - DePiep (talk) 10:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

You're right @DePiep:, there are five official administrative subdivisions in French Polynesia. I found some references and added them to the Administrative divisions of French Polynesia article. I think it's good to add them to the infobox, similar to the |province= parameter for New Caledonia. I'm not sure we need the |commune center=. Markussep ^Talk 14:06, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

At the moment I can not strive to add this parameter. Hope you can find someone else who can help you? -DePiep (talk) 14:25, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

No problem, I think I can do it myself. Markussep ^Talk 15:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Even better. Nice anniversary of this issue-ette ;-) -DePiep (talk) 16:23, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

See the discussion above. Please replace the current version of the infobox with the current sandbox version. This will add the optional parameter |administrative subdivision= for communes in French Polynesia. See test case 7 for a demonstration. This edit changes

| subdivision_type2 = {{ safesubst:#if: {{{province|}}} | [[Administrative divisions of New Caledonia|Province]] | etc. etc. }}

| subdivision_name2 = {{ safesubst:#if: {{{province|}}} | {{{province}}} | etc. etc. }}

into:

| subdivision_type2 = {{ safesubst:#if: {{{province|}}} | [[Administrative divisions of New Caledonia|Province]] | {{ safesubst:#if: {{{administrative subdivision|}}} | [[Administrative divisions of French Polynesia|Subdivision]] | etc. etc. }} }}

| subdivision_name2 = {{ safesubst:#if: {{{province|}}} | {{{province}}} | {{ safesubst:#if: {{{administrative subdivision|}}} | {{{administrative subdivision}}} | etc. etc. }} }}

and adds |administrative subdivision= to the list of known parameters. Markussep ^Talk 16:46, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Markussep ^Talk 08:47, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 March 2019

Please replace the current version of the infobox with the current sandbox version. This will add the possibility to use this infobox for settlements that are part of a commune, including former communes. It adds a caption and line showing wich commune it is part of, and hides the INSEE code (but uses the INSEE code, or the department code instead, to get the correct region, department and map). See test case 6 for a demonstration of this new functionality. This edit changes

| settlement_type = {{{commune status|}}}

into:

| settlement_type = {{ safesubst:#if: {{{commune|}}} | {{{type|part}}} of {{Link if exists|{{{commune}}} }} | {{{commune status|}}} }}

and

| postal_code_type = [[INSEE code|INSEE]]/Postal code

| postal_code = {{ safesubst:#if:{{{insee|{{{INSEE|}}}}}} | [https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/1405599?geo=COM-{{{insee|{{{INSEE}}}}}} {{{insee|{{{INSEE}}}}}}] / }}{{{postal code|}}}

into:

| postal_code_type = {{ safesubst:#if: {{{commune|}}} | Postal code | [[INSEE code|INSEE]]/Postal code }}

| postal_code = {{ safesubst:#if: {{{commune|}}} | {{{postal code|}}} | {{ safesubst:#if:{{{insee|{{{INSEE|}}}}}} | [https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/1405599?geo=COM-{{{insee|{{{INSEE}}}}}} {{{insee|{{{INSEE}}}}}}] / }}{{{postal code|}}} }}

and adds:

| subdivision_type6 = {{ safesubst:#if: {{{commune|}}} | [[Communes of France|Commune]] }}

| subdivision_name6 = {{{commune}}}

The field "type" can be used to describe the status of the settlement, for instance "commune déléguée". It defaults to "part". Markussep ^Talk 10:24, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done -- /Alex/₂₁ 13:15, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Markussep ^Talk 13:39, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I see I have to add the fields "commune" and "type" to the list of known parameters for Module:Check for unknown parameters. I did it in the sandbox just now, could you update that too? Markussep ^Talk 13:46, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done -- /Alex/₂₁ 13:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again! Markussep ^Talk 13:59, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Editing template to include a parameter for the Municipalities logo

Is it worth us editing the template to include a parameter below the Crest and Flag for the logo of a commune as many article have in French and are seen in English articles for cities across North America (i.e. Vancouver? Question to the editors, don't want to change anything without discussion. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 07:45, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I think that's a nice option, to add a logo image. Could you make a test version in the sandbox? Markussep ^Talk 19:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 25 April 2022

A line should be added in the infobox for the president of the intercommunality within which the commune is located. For example, these two lines of codes from the Infobox settlements:
|leader_title1 =
|leader_name1 =
This is particularly important for large French cities which are now also metropolises. For example, see Lyon, the infobox displays only the name of the mayor of the small commune of Lyon, and not the president of the metropolis of Lyon, despite the fact the metropolis has now more powers than the commune, and is directly elected. This infobox without the name of the metropolis president reflects the situation more than 10 years ago and is outdated.
ព្រះមហាក្សត្ររាជ (talk) 10:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

There are separate articles about at least the largest intercommunalities. The presidents of intercommunalities can be mentioned there, I would prefer not to mention them in the infoboxes about member communes. Because these infoboxes (and articles) are primarily about the communes, not the intercommunalities. Markussep ^Talk 14:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

That's perhaps true for smaller communes, but for the main city in each metropolis (Lyon for Lyon, Bordeaux for Bordeaux, etc) such a line should exist. The articles about these cities are not about the "commune" strictly speaking, but about the wider definition of these cities (otherwise the Lyon article would contain no information about the airport of Lyon, the Bordeaux article would contain no information about the university of Bordeaux, technically in the commune of Talence, etc). Having the infobox of Lyon mentioning only the mayor of the small commune of Lyon and not the president of the metropolis would be like the infobox of Brussels mentioning only the mayor of the small commune of Brussels (note that in this example the editors have chosen to indicate only the name of the president of Brussels-Capital in the infobox and not even the mayor of the commune, whereas here I'm proposing both). ព្រះមហាក្សត្ររាជ (talk) 21:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: looks like a consensus needs to be established for this alteration. Please garner the needed consensus before using the {{edit template-protected}} template again. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 17:11, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

The edit request by Markussep above (section before this one) gathered no consensus either, and yet the request was approved... I could hardly imagine that such an informational and non-controversial request would immediately trigger opposition from someone I have never talked to before. Especially since the request consists in ADDING something (not even mandatory, up to each editor), and not removing something from the infobox. ព្រះមហាក្សត្ររាជ (talk) 21:19, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

As you hopefully know and understand, all edits are subject to consensus. Some edits seem uncontroversial and either that is the case, or they are reverted to generate more discussion. Your proposed edit, whatever the level of its perceived helpfulness, has been challenged before it has been implemented. That indicates the need for more discussion about the edit before it is made to this high-use template. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 00:06, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

There seems to be no discussion going on, since Markussep, content with having blocked the request I made, is not responding to my reply to his comment above, despite the fact he/she has edited Wikipedia repeatedly since my reply ([1]). I don't understand how one single editor can block an edit request, and then let the matter freeze. ព្រះមហាក្សត្ររាជ (talk) 12:48, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I see you were expecting a reply from me. I don't check my watchlist every hour, so if it's urgent you should tag me, for instance using {{Reply to}}. My opposing your idea has nothing to do with you personally, and I don't think I have given you any reason to assume that. I don't know you, you probably don't know me, and this is the first time I have come across you on Wikipedia, as far as I know. My main reason for opposing your idea is the widely accepted standard about infoboxes (MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE): "to summarize key facts that appear in the article". I don't think the leader of an intercommunality is a key fact about a commune. Obviously this information belongs in the infobox at the intercommunality article (e.g. Lyon Metropolis), and it's also given in the Lyon article, in the "Administration" section. Note that I'm discussing the infobox here, obviously the Saint-Exupéry airport belongs in the Lyon article, but not in its infobox. And also note that the Brussels article is about the Brussels-Capital Region, the commune/city of Brussels has a separate article, which mentions its mayor in its infobox. Markussep ^Talk 08:12, 27 April 2022 (UTC)