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::::::::::That is exactly what Graham87 did. You two simply have different opinions on which info is valuable/appropriate, and this talk page is where to hash such things out. Delphinium1, I might be willing to support restoring ''some'' of the deleted information, but I don't have time to sort through it all. Can you post here the ''secondary'' sources you used - I know I saw a few newspaper articles - so I can take a look at them? [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 16:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC) |
::::::::::That is exactly what Graham87 did. You two simply have different opinions on which info is valuable/appropriate, and this talk page is where to hash such things out. Delphinium1, I might be willing to support restoring ''some'' of the deleted information, but I don't have time to sort through it all. Can you post here the ''secondary'' sources you used - I know I saw a few newspaper articles - so I can take a look at them? [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 16:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::I see you've chosen to go to dispute resolution. I'm no longer willing to get in the middle of this. I withdraw my offer above. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 16:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC) |
:::::::::::I see you've chosen to go to dispute resolution. I'm no longer willing to get in the middle of this. I withdraw my offer above. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 16:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::I understand. Thank you for your offer anyway. [[User:Delphinium1|Delphinium1]] ([[User talk:Delphinium1|talk]]) 16:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::I guess I'm not entirely sure what you are asking for. There are many secondary sources listed on the page version I made. Here are a few examples, but I would look at the sources on the history page. |
:::::::::::I guess I'm not entirely sure what you are asking for. There are many secondary sources listed on the page version I made. Here are a few examples, but I would look at the sources on the history page. |
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Hard to imagine population rose over 1/3 this millennium. I find no such support in footnote 11. 2601:14A:C102:5F60:0:0:0:4 (talk) 16:16, 17 September 2016 (UTC)RMO
- There is plenty of extra information on this page that needs to be removed. However it is ridiculous to delete it wholesale. I have restored this page. Delphinium1 (talk) 19:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- And I've put it back to the way it should be. This detail is appropriate for a Pennsylvania wiki, not Wikipedia. Graham87 09:39, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Graham87 You can't simply delete information on an article because it doesn't suit your interests. I never argued that the full form of the article has too much information, but I have deleted the majority of the excess info. I would like to reach a compromise with you. Delphinium1 (talk) 14:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- To quote from WP:NOT: "Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful. A Wikipedia article should not be a complete exposition of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject." The article as it stands already has a remarkable amount of information for "a small, rural public school district". Adding additional huge walls of text based on primary sources seems completely unnecessary. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- The bit about the teacher's strike looks interesting and it got some local coverage. I personally wouldn't be opposed to adding that back in, along with anything else of general interest along those lines, but it's hard to pick through all the trivia to find the nuggets of gold. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah strikes seem to be pretty common in that state so they seem too run-of-the-mill to me. As I was going to say before the previous messages were added, the extra information in your revision is largely extremely out-of-date and requires constant maintenance to keep it up-to-date. It also doesn't say anything that can't apply to just about any school district across the state or country (e.g. many school districts have wellness policies, many school districts in Pennsylvania collect taxes, etc.) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and does not attempt to replace websites like that of the Pennsylvania Department of Education; most importantly, it is not an indiscriminate collection of information nor a news site. Also see my comments here; Delphinium, I'd be curious to know about your relationship (if any) with this school district. Graham87 15:24, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I live in the area but have no specific relationship. I was working to fix local PA school district pages without doing wholesale deletions. I saw no specific urgency until you began wholesale deletions. Teacher strikes are common in PA in part because there are 500 school districts. It is notable that a school had a strike. In my opinion, the nuggets of gold outweigh the value of having a streamlined article. I can work to streamline the article more, but not if you insist on battling my every edit. Delphinium1 (talk) 15:41, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. As you're not an established editor and have had your article about this subject redirected, I (and most other editors) would give your opinions about what is and is not notable very little weight here. Wikipedia is primarily written for a global audience. Graham87 15:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- So what do you suggest? Neuter every PA school district article to the point that the article is absolutely useless to people interested in learning about the district? Other people have commented here and see value in aspects of the article. I don't have the experience you do, but respectfully I ask that if you are going to delete information that you go through and keep the valuable and appropriate info. Delphinium1 (talk) 15:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- That is exactly what Graham87 did. You two simply have different opinions on which info is valuable/appropriate, and this talk page is where to hash such things out. Delphinium1, I might be willing to support restoring some of the deleted information, but I don't have time to sort through it all. Can you post here the secondary sources you used - I know I saw a few newspaper articles - so I can take a look at them? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I see you've chosen to go to dispute resolution. I'm no longer willing to get in the middle of this. I withdraw my offer above. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I understand. Thank you for your offer anyway. Delphinium1 (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I guess I'm not entirely sure what you are asking for. There are many secondary sources listed on the page version I made. Here are a few examples, but I would look at the sources on the history page.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20160425102539/https://www.thetimes-tribune.com/news/sayre-school-board-votes-to-temporarily-close-litchfield-school-adopts-2011-12-budget-1.1144346
- Unionville-Chadds Ford School District top school district in Pennsylvania - Pittsburgh Business Times (bizjournals.com)
- Teachers in Two Bradford County Districts Plan to Strike | wnep.com Delphinium1 (talk) 16:34, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I see you've chosen to go to dispute resolution. I'm no longer willing to get in the middle of this. I withdraw my offer above. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- That is exactly what Graham87 did. You two simply have different opinions on which info is valuable/appropriate, and this talk page is where to hash such things out. Delphinium1, I might be willing to support restoring some of the deleted information, but I don't have time to sort through it all. Can you post here the secondary sources you used - I know I saw a few newspaper articles - so I can take a look at them? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- So what do you suggest? Neuter every PA school district article to the point that the article is absolutely useless to people interested in learning about the district? Other people have commented here and see value in aspects of the article. I don't have the experience you do, but respectfully I ask that if you are going to delete information that you go through and keep the valuable and appropriate info. Delphinium1 (talk) 15:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. As you're not an established editor and have had your article about this subject redirected, I (and most other editors) would give your opinions about what is and is not notable very little weight here. Wikipedia is primarily written for a global audience. Graham87 15:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I live in the area but have no specific relationship. I was working to fix local PA school district pages without doing wholesale deletions. I saw no specific urgency until you began wholesale deletions. Teacher strikes are common in PA in part because there are 500 school districts. It is notable that a school had a strike. In my opinion, the nuggets of gold outweigh the value of having a streamlined article. I can work to streamline the article more, but not if you insist on battling my every edit. Delphinium1 (talk) 15:41, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah strikes seem to be pretty common in that state so they seem too run-of-the-mill to me. As I was going to say before the previous messages were added, the extra information in your revision is largely extremely out-of-date and requires constant maintenance to keep it up-to-date. It also doesn't say anything that can't apply to just about any school district across the state or country (e.g. many school districts have wellness policies, many school districts in Pennsylvania collect taxes, etc.) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and does not attempt to replace websites like that of the Pennsylvania Department of Education; most importantly, it is not an indiscriminate collection of information nor a news site. Also see my comments here; Delphinium, I'd be curious to know about your relationship (if any) with this school district. Graham87 15:24, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- The bit about the teacher's strike looks interesting and it got some local coverage. I personally wouldn't be opposed to adding that back in, along with anything else of general interest along those lines, but it's hard to pick through all the trivia to find the nuggets of gold. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- To quote from WP:NOT: "Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful. A Wikipedia article should not be a complete exposition of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject." The article as it stands already has a remarkable amount of information for "a small, rural public school district". Adding additional huge walls of text based on primary sources seems completely unnecessary. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Graham87 You can't simply delete information on an article because it doesn't suit your interests. I never argued that the full form of the article has too much information, but I have deleted the majority of the excess info. I would like to reach a compromise with you. Delphinium1 (talk) 14:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- And I've put it back to the way it should be. This detail is appropriate for a Pennsylvania wiki, not Wikipedia. Graham87 09:39, 11 April 2022 (UTC)