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I removed the mentions of their suicides, as the apparent reasonings seem to be not related to Gary, or the alleged abuse. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ModernBingFan0377|ModernBingFan0377]] ([[User talk:ModernBingFan0377#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ModernBingFan0377|contribs]]) 00:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
I removed the mentions of their suicides, as the apparent reasonings seem to be not related to Gary, or the alleged abuse. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ModernBingFan0377|ModernBingFan0377]] ([[User talk:ModernBingFan0377#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ModernBingFan0377|contribs]]) 00:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Re incidences of abuse by Bing in Gary Crosby's memoir == |
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The main body of text points out that some of Gary Crosby's allegations of physical and emotional abuse at the hands of his father, Bing Crosby, are unproven. The text refers to one of the main sources used in this Wikipedia page (see 8), an interview with one of many Crosby biographers. However, Gary Crosby's publisher's legal team were clearly happy for these 'allegations', recalled incidents by Gary Crosby from his own life, were accurate and genuine. Many 'claims' were also backed up by two of his three brothers (Gary was one of four children, all boys, born to Bing Crosby and his first wife, Dixie Lee). How does one prove that one's father took them outside to the garden shed and beat them with a belt to within an inch of their life when they were a child? Not saying this happened to Gary, it's just an example of abuse within the family. Problems like that, in that era, were rarely reported. It was considered private, shameful if unusually excessive, and to be kept within the family. To question the veracity of some of Gary Crosby's recollections is highly offensive, in my opinion, especially as he is no longer living thus unable to clarify or defend his written memories. The fact that two of his three siblings backed up his claims is good enough for me, plus it can be guaranteed that the publishers did their due legal diligence, given the fame of the subject's family, and father, in particular. Consider this: most of Bing Crosby's seven children (three with his second wife) reported alcoholism as being a recurring problem with themselves and their parents. It is uncontested that both Bing and his first wife were alcohol-dependant. Many memoirs, biographies and Hollywood gossip newspaper columnists talk of Bing Crosby's behaviour as being that of an abusive drunk and his reputation was as being a rather unpleasant man. There are many accounts by those that worked with him, from directors, crew, and fellow entertainers, that he could be a difficult and unpleasant fellow. Due to his great fame and influence, few dates to challenge him while he was living. One thing's for sure: his children, especially his four boys with Dixie, all exhibited in teenage and adulthood, the tell-tale behaviours of experiencing a childhood fraught with alcoholism and abuse. I'll end on this thought: two of Bing and Dixie's four sons committed suicide. 'Nuff said? [[User:MadgeWildwood|MadgeWildwood]] ([[User talk:MadgeWildwood|talk]]) 18:16, 4 May 2022 (UTC) |
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I removed the mentions of their suicides, as the apparent reasonings seem to be not related to Gary, or the alleged abuse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ModernBingFan0377 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Re incidences of abuse by Bing in Gary Crosby's memoir
The main body of text points out that some of Gary Crosby's allegations of physical and emotional abuse at the hands of his father, Bing Crosby, are unproven. The text refers to one of the main sources used in this Wikipedia page (see 8), an interview with one of many Crosby biographers. However, Gary Crosby's publisher's legal team were clearly happy for these 'allegations', recalled incidents by Gary Crosby from his own life, were accurate and genuine. Many 'claims' were also backed up by two of his three brothers (Gary was one of four children, all boys, born to Bing Crosby and his first wife, Dixie Lee). How does one prove that one's father took them outside to the garden shed and beat them with a belt to within an inch of their life when they were a child? Not saying this happened to Gary, it's just an example of abuse within the family. Problems like that, in that era, were rarely reported. It was considered private, shameful if unusually excessive, and to be kept within the family. To question the veracity of some of Gary Crosby's recollections is highly offensive, in my opinion, especially as he is no longer living thus unable to clarify or defend his written memories. The fact that two of his three siblings backed up his claims is good enough for me, plus it can be guaranteed that the publishers did their due legal diligence, given the fame of the subject's family, and father, in particular. Consider this: most of Bing Crosby's seven children (three with his second wife) reported alcoholism as being a recurring problem with themselves and their parents. It is uncontested that both Bing and his first wife were alcohol-dependant. Many memoirs, biographies and Hollywood gossip newspaper columnists talk of Bing Crosby's behaviour as being that of an abusive drunk and his reputation was as being a rather unpleasant man. There are many accounts by those that worked with him, from directors, crew, and fellow entertainers, that he could be a difficult and unpleasant fellow. Due to his great fame and influence, few dates to challenge him while he was living. One thing's for sure: his children, especially his four boys with Dixie, all exhibited in teenage and adulthood, the tell-tale behaviours of experiencing a childhood fraught with alcoholism and abuse. I'll end on this thought: two of Bing and Dixie's four sons committed suicide. 'Nuff said? MadgeWildwood (talk) 18:16, 4 May 2022 (UTC)