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The result was Delete both --JForget 22:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Crews and Joseph Shelton

An apparent hoax. An alleged 28-year old philanthropist who founded a global NGO which saved 750,000 lives while continuing to study at college? No reliable sources (in fact, no sources at all) - extraordinary given the alleged global reach of the NGO and its claimed results. The alleged website for the NGO (ofo.org, listed in the external links) does not exist, and the references attached to the article make no mention of either the person or the organisation. If not a hoax, then an apparent failure of WP:N - no mentions in reliable secondary sources.Euryalus (talk) 08:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Sorry, I didn't see this AfD actually get filed, so I deleted the article blatant nonsense--I can undelete it if we want to run the formal AfD here. Actually, he would be 18 not 28, and I concur (as I responded to a fairly impolite msg on my talkpage from the creator) that all the sources were completely bogus. Part of a walled garden (tied subjects, worked by a closely-allied editor duo) with another article of similar extraordinary claims with cites that don't mention the subject at all (that was speedied by another admin, and has now been recreated). May as well bundle it in this AfD... DMacks (talk)

Give me time and I promise I can get better sources. They do exist. I can prove these claims.STLisbetterthanChicago (talk) 09:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:N: regarding Adam Crews, "oranges for orphans" via Google = 1 result, seemingly unrelated; regarding Joseph Shelton, "cutting out alzheimer's" via Google = 8 results, mostly related to a local fundraiser (not terribly notable). -Kgasso (talk) 09:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete very likely to be hoax. Without sources available, support deletion. --Oscarthecat (talk) 09:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete them both. I'll rewrite when I have everything readily available.STLisbetterthanChicago (talk) 09:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Hoax. Non-notable. No sources are given. Dekisugi (talk) 09:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both. Zero ghits for the Oranges For Orphans NGO. A couple of ghits for "Cutting Out Alzheimer's", but all of them refer to a one-time scrapbooking event, not an organization. The amount of documentation involved in setting up such an organization makes it highly implausible that both would pass completely unnoticed. Zetawoof_(ζ) 09:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I tried to find any evidence of this not being a hoax and could not. The name of a charity at least should be findable, so unless a source turns up I'm assuming this is fictional. - FlyingToaster 09:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. User:STLisbetterthanChicago is User:Adamc714 (per [1]) so could have COI problem. Other edits of his (removal of AfD, user-page vandalism, talk-page incivility) certainly don't help his cause, but hopefully for his sake don't become a more extended pattern. DMacks (talk) 09:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment COI problem? Confused...STLisbetterthanChicago (talk) 09:17, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

COI because you are Adamc714 making grand claims about "Adam Crews", and sockpuppetry because you are using both that account and STLisbetterthanChicago on the same day to edit the same articles. JohnCD (talk) 10:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And his IP, 150.243.210.125 as well, I would suggest. MSGJ 14:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, certainly not notable and strongly suspect a hoax, especially in light of Joseph Shelton similarity. The original Shelton article also said he was openly homosexual and violent without sourcing, and when I speedy deleted the article as G10 BLP vio, STLisbetterthanChicago used his User:Adamc714 account to recreate it at AFC. JGHowes ^talk 09:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both - unverifiable, almost certain hoaxes. JohnCD (talk) 10:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both - and the socks should be formally reported. (I'll do this myself if I get time.) AlexTiefling (talk) 10:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reported at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Adamc714. JohnCD (talk) 14:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I could not find any sources, and because of that will have to say it is not notable. --Banime (talk) 12:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as hoax. Edward321 (talk) 15:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as clear hoax. One creator s now blocked for edit warring, which doesn't say much for his respect of wikipedia. Dayewalker (talk) 06:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 :*[[WP:COI|COI]] because you are [[User:Adamc714|Adamc714]] making grand claims about "Adam Crews", and [[WP:SOCK|sockpuppetry]] because you are using both that account and [[User:STLisbetterthanChicago|STLisbetterthanChicago]] on the same day to edit the same articles. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 10:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 ::*And his IP, [[Special:Contributions/150.243.210.125|150.243.210.125]] as well, I would suggest. [[User talk:Msgj|MSGJ]] 14:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''', certainly not notable and strongly suspect a hoax, especially in light of [[Joseph Shelton]] similarity. The original Shelton article also said he was openly homosexual and violent without sourcing, and when I speedy deleted the article as G10 BLP vio, STLisbetterthanChicago used his [[User:Adamc714]] account to recreate it at AFC. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<font style="color:white;background:#008000;">&nbsp;JGHowes&nbsp; </font>]]</span></small><font color="blue"> <sup>[[User talk:JGHowes|''talk'']]</sup></font></b></i> 09:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''', certainly not notable and strongly suspect a hoax, especially in light of [[Joseph Shelton]] similarity. The original Shelton article also said he was openly homosexual and violent without sourcing, and when I speedy deleted the article as G10 BLP vio, STLisbetterthanChicago used his [[User:Adamc714]] account to recreate it at AFC. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;">&nbsp;JGHowes&nbsp; </span>]]</span></small> [[User talk:JGHowes|<sup style="color:blue;">''talk''</sup>]]</b></i> 09:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Delete both''' - unverifiable, almost certain hoaxes. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 10:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Delete both''' - and the socks should be formally reported. (I'll do this myself if I get time.) [[User:AlexTiefling|AlexTiefling]] ([[User talk:AlexTiefling|talk]]) 10:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)