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[[User:LukeEmily|LukeEmily]] Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. 1) I added the word ''nomadic'' in the sentence related to the profession. Regarding, lead being too long, we can concise it, for e.g. its last paragraph which can written in a better way concisely. 2) I nowhere mentioned that they are at present nomadic tribes in all places. I mentioned it along with other professions i.e. pastoralism and agriculture. Hence, it's not generalisation of the whole community, but mention of those residing in the Himalayan belt (which is a significant number) is necessary. 3) Malayala Manorama is second oldest Malayalam newspaper and has been getting published since 1888, it's readership is over 20 million.<ref>International Federation of Audit Bureaux of Circulations and ABC India (National Newspapers Total Circulation-2018) [http://www.ifabc.org/site/assets/media/National-Newspapers_total-circulation_IFABC_17-01-13.xls Download]</ref><ref>[http://www.auditbureau.org/files/Top_Circulations.pdf Audit Bureau of Circulations (ABC) (January-June 2013)]</ref> It's a reliable source of information, same applies for the Hindu which is a newspaper of record<ref>{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=BkhHC6AgRrgC&q=%22newspaper+of+record%22+%22the+hindu%22+-thehindu.com&pg=PA163|title=The Political Economy of Hunger: Volume 1: Entitlement and Well-being|last1=Drèze|first1=Jean|last2=Sen|first2=Amartya|date=21 February 1991|publisher=Clarendon Press|isbn=9780191544460|language=en}}</ref> and second most circulated English-daily in India. They're definitely reliable. I'm providing alternative to Himachal Watcher newspaper, here, planning paper by Govt. of Himachal Pradesh:{{cite web |url=http://planning.hp.gov.in/plg_evaluation/gujar.pdf|title= Government of Himachal Pradesh}} Hope you will look into it. Regards. [[User:Iamritwikaryan|Iamritwikaryan]] ([[User talk:Iamritwikaryan|talk]]) 14:52, 29 May 2022 (UTC) |
[[User:LukeEmily|LukeEmily]] Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. 1) I added the word ''nomadic'' in the sentence related to the profession. Regarding, lead being too long, we can concise it, for e.g. its last paragraph which can written in a better way concisely. 2) I nowhere mentioned that they are at present nomadic tribes in all places. I mentioned it along with other professions i.e. pastoralism and agriculture. Hence, it's not generalisation of the whole community, but mention of those residing in the Himalayan belt (which is a significant number) is necessary. 3) Malayala Manorama is second oldest Malayalam newspaper and has been getting published since 1888, it's readership is over 20 million.<ref>International Federation of Audit Bureaux of Circulations and ABC India (National Newspapers Total Circulation-2018) [http://www.ifabc.org/site/assets/media/National-Newspapers_total-circulation_IFABC_17-01-13.xls Download]</ref><ref>[http://www.auditbureau.org/files/Top_Circulations.pdf Audit Bureau of Circulations (ABC) (January-June 2013)]</ref> It's a reliable source of information, same applies for the Hindu which is a newspaper of record<ref>{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=BkhHC6AgRrgC&q=%22newspaper+of+record%22+%22the+hindu%22+-thehindu.com&pg=PA163|title=The Political Economy of Hunger: Volume 1: Entitlement and Well-being|last1=Drèze|first1=Jean|last2=Sen|first2=Amartya|date=21 February 1991|publisher=Clarendon Press|isbn=9780191544460|language=en}}</ref> and second most circulated English-daily in India. They're definitely reliable. I'm providing alternative to Himachal Watcher newspaper, here, planning paper by Govt. of Himachal Pradesh:{{cite web |url=http://planning.hp.gov.in/plg_evaluation/gujar.pdf|title= Government of Himachal Pradesh}} Hope you will look into it. Regards. [[User:Iamritwikaryan|Iamritwikaryan]] ([[User talk:Iamritwikaryan|talk]]) 14:52, 29 May 2022 (UTC) |
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According to a number of scholars, the Agnikula class were originally Gurjaras in which the Chauhans were a prominent clan of [[Gurjaras]] (or [[Gurjars]])<ref>{{cite book|title=Ethnography: castes and tribes, Volume 2,Part 5|url=http://books.google.co.in/books?lr=&cd=20&id=L2ILAAAAIAAJ&dq=mathura+gujar&q=gurjara#search_anchor|author=Sir Jervoise Athelstane Baines|publisher=K.J. Trübner|year=1912|page=31|quote=sun and fire worshiping huna or Gurjara was converted into the blue blood of rajputana, and became the forefathers of the Sisodia, Chahaun, Parmar, Parihar or calukya,..}}</ref><ref name="Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland 1834 651">{{cite journal | journal=Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland |volume=XXIII | first=A. F. Rudolf |last=Hoernle |title=Some Problems of Ancient Indian History |publisher=Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain & Ireland |date=October 1904 |page=651 |url=http://books.google.com/?id=TPgAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA651 | quote =By that marriage [[Haarsha]] had contracted an alliance with the dominant race of the Gurjaras, of whom the Chohans were a prominent clan. |accessdate=2011-12-16}}</ref><ref name="Dasharatha Sharma 1975 280">{{cite book | title =Early Chauhān dynasties: a study of Chauhān political history, Chauhān political institutions, and life in the Chauhān dominions, from 800 to 1316 A.D. | first=Dasharatha |last=Sharma | publisher =Motilal Banarsidass |year=1975 |page=280 |isbn= 978-0-8426-0618-9 |quote=According to a number of scholars, the Agnikula class were originally Gurjaras.}}</ref> [[Special:Contributions/2405:205:140B:E227:76F3:4E6C:924A:AA2E|2405:205:140B:E227:76F3:4E6C:924A:AA2E]] ([[User talk:2405:205:140B:E227:76F3:4E6C:924A:AA2E|talk]]) 20:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC) |
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Gurjar Pratiharas
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The Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty was an imperial power during the Late Classical period on the Indian subcontinent, that ruled much of Northern India from the mid-8th to the 11th century. They ruled first at Ujjain and later at Kannauj.
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Places named after Gurjar/Gujjar in Pakistan
DERA GHAZI KHAN DISTRICT THOKH GUJRI LAYYAH DISTRICT GUJRAT MUZAFFARGARH DISTRICT GUJARWALA RAJANPUR DISTRICT KOTLA GOJAR GUJAR WALI FAISALABAD DISTRICT CHAK 217/GB GUJJAR PIND CHAK 176/GB PALA GOJRA CHAK 168/GB SIRAJ GUJJRAN ZAIL GUJJRAN (14 CHAK GUJJRAN) JHANG DISTRICT Jat GUJJAR TOBA TEK SINGH DISTRICT GOJRA TEHSIL GUJRANWALA DISTRICT KOTLI GUJRAN GUJRAT DISTRICT GUJARPUR DHOK GUJRAN GUJJAR KOTLA KULEWAL GUJRAN
GUJRANWALI GUJAR KE MANDI BAHAUDDIN DISTRICT GOJRA NAROWAL DISTRICT MIRPUR GUJJRAN GUJAR WALI BHABRA GUJRAN BERA GUJRAN KHANPUR GUJRAN CHHANI GUJRAN DEHLA GUJRAN PAILA GUJRAN GUJAR TOOR HAJI PUR GUJRAN DARYA GUJRAN KOTLI GUJRAN BADALA GUJRAN NIKI GUJRAN JHOMIAN GUJRAN GUJRAT NADALA GUJRAN BALA GUJRAN BHERON CHAK GUJRAN TEHRA GUJRAN SIALKOT DISTRICT GUJARKE GOJRA GUJAR KALLA GUJAR GORAYA GUJRAL GUJRAN WALA KASUR DISTRICT
GURJKE LAHORE DISTRICT NAWAN PIND GUJRAN HANDU GUJAR QILA GUJAR SINGH WARRA GUJARAN OKARA DISTRICT GHOUS PUR GUJJRAN SHEIKHUPURA DISTRICT GUJAR PURA MAHMOON GUJAR KALA GUJAR KOTLI GUJRAN RATTA GUJRAN VEHARI DISTRICT GUJAR ATTOCK DISTRICT THATTI GUJRAN DHOK GUJAR CHAKWAL DISTRICT BHATTI GUJAR MOHRA GUJRAN PINDI GUJRAN JHELUM DISTRICT WARA GUJRAN GUJER PUR KALA GUJRAN THATHI GUJRAN GUJJAR GUJAR KATARIAN RAWALPINDI DISTRICT GUJAR KHAN TEHSIL GOJRA
MATUA GUJAR DHANGDEW GUJAR MAL JAND GUJAR GURAH GUJARAN PHAMRA GUJRAN KALA GUJRAN BHANGALI GUJAR ARAZI GUJRAL DHOK GUJRI BHADANA GUJRAN DANDI GUJRAN KHURAM GUJAR MIANWALI DISTRICT GUJRAN WALA GUJRAT KHUSHAB DISTRICT GUJRANWALA North Western Frontier Province (N. W. F. P.) D. I. KHAN DISTRICT GUJRAT ABBOTTABAD DISTRICT MASAH GUJRI GUJRI BAIN GUJRI HARIPUR DISTRICT PIND GUJRAN MOHRRA GUJAR KOHISTAN DISTRICT GUJJAR BANDA GUJARYBAKE GUJAR KHEL GUJAR BANDA GUJAR BANDA
MANSEHRA DISTRICT GUJRAN GUJRA GUJRAN DE GAL LOWER DIR DISTRICT GUJAR KALAI GUJAR ABAD UPPER DIR DISTRICT GUJARA KILI GUJAR LALA MALA-GUJAR MARDAN DISTRICT GUJRAT GUJAR GARHI Mohalla GUJARAN Bakhshali PESHAWAR DISTRICT CHOUHA GUJAR MIAN GUJAR SIN D PROVINCE KARACHI DISTRICT Mehmood Abad GUJAR CHOWK, Manzoor Colony Gujjar Nallah BADIN DISTRICT GUJRI LARKANA DISTRICT GUJHAR SANGHAR DISTRICT GUJRO GUJHERAN GUJHRO GUJRO BALUCHISTANPROVINCE AWARAN DISTRICT GUJARO KHUZDAR DISTRICT GUJAAR BOLAN DISTRICT GUJAR PISHIN DISTRICT GUJIR DERA BUGTI DISTRICT GUJRO ZHOB DISTRICT GURJE ZAI Mansoor chauhan (talk) 02:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Places named gurjar or gujjar in islamabad pakistan
Kangota Gujran DERA GUJARAN (SECTOR G-10) GOHRRA OF GUJARAN MARRI GUJAR, TALHARR Mansoor chauhan (talk) 02:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Places named after gurjar or gujjar in india
PUNJA B PROVINCE : AMRITSAR DISTRICT : LODHI GUJJAR KOTLA GUJARAN GUJARPURA GUJAR PURA FARIDKOT DISTRICT : GUJJAR FATEHGARH SAHIB DISTRICT : RAIPUR GUJJARAN BUD GUJJARAN, FIROZPUR DISTRICT : BEHAK GUJJARAN, BUH GUJJARAN, THE GUJJAR. THEH GUJJAR (BEGU), GURDASPUR DISTRICT TALWARA GUJJARAN SIMBLI GUJJARAN, LAHRI GUJJARAN, KOTLI GUJJARAN, JHANDA GUJJARAN, GUJARAT, GUJJAR PUR, CHANNI GUJJARAN, BHURIAN GUJJARAN AIMAN GUJJARAN HOSHIARPUR DISTRICT: GUJJAR PUR. GUJJAR, GUJAR KATRALA, GUJAR BASOYA RAIPUR GUJJARAN JIWANPUR GUJJARAN, CHAK GUJJARAN-1, CHAK GUJJARAN-2, BHULEWAL GUJJARAN BAGEWAL GUJJARAN, JALANDHAR DISTRICT : RAIPUR GUJJARAN, KAPURTHALA DISTRICT : MAND GUJJAR PUR, GUJJARATTAN, LUDHIANA DISTRICT : AGWAR GUJJARAN, BAUNKAR GUJJARAN, BHAINIGUJJARAN, FATEHGARH GUJJARAN GUJJARWAL GUJJARWAL BET, QUTABEWAL GUJJARAN, NAWANSHAHR DISTRICT GUJJAR PUR KHURD, GUJJAR PUR KALAN, ROPARR DISTRICT : BASI GUJJARAN, SANGPUR DISTRICT RAMPUR GUJJARAN, BADHOLI GUJJARAN, BIR KHERI GUJJARAN DUDHAN GUJJARAN, FARID PUR GUJJARAN. GUJARHERI, KHERI GUJJARAN, SASA GUJJARAN MUKTASAR DISTRICT : BURA GUJJAR, GUJARAT PROVINCE: SURAT DISTRICT : GUJJAR PUR, MEHSANA DISTRICT : GUJJARVADA HIMACHAL PRADESH (H.P.) PROVINCE : UNA DISTRICT : DHAR GUJJARAN, HARYANA PROVINCE: AMBALA DISTRICT : TALHERI GUJJARAN, BHIWANI DISTRICT: GUJARANI, FARIDABAD DISTRICT : KHERI GUJJARAN, NAGA GUJJARAN, TIKRIGUJJARAN, GURGAON DISTRICT : BAR GUJJARAN. GUJAR NAGLA, MUHAMMADPUR GUJJARAN, KATHAL DISTRICT: BUDHANPUR GUJJARAN, GARHI GUJJARAN, KURUKSHETRA DISTRICT KAKRALA GUJJARAN, MAHENDRAGARH DISTRICT : GUJJARWAS, PANI PAT DISTRICT: NUR PUR GUJJARAN, SIMLA GUJJARAN, BAWANA GUJJARAN REWARI DISTRICT BAWANA GUJJAR, GUJAR MAJRI, GUJARIWAS, LADHUWAS GUJJARAN, ROHTAK DISTRICT : KHERKA GUJJARAN, SONI PAT DISTRICT KHERI GUJJARAN, PANCHI GUJJARAN YAMUNA NAGAR DISTRICT : GARHI GUJJARAN HAL DARI GUJJARAN. Mansoor chauhan (talk) 02:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
In afghanistan
AFGHANISTAN: Gujarabad Gujaristan, Gujar pul (Kunnarr) Gujar (Fariab), etc. Mansoor chauhan (talk) 02:17, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Strength or population
How much Gurjar's are in India in different states. 2409:4052:2E22:2BEF:0:0:DE49:C702 (talk) 06:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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The photo is missing of gurjar sardars of rajpootana which earlier used to be there kindly put that picture back so that everyone can gain proper knowledge about this page, thankyou Verrrrr (talk) 20:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: It appears the image was removed by History quester after a consensus was reached at Talk:The People of India that the source of the image was unreliable (see: [1]). I'd suggest going to that venue to discuss the matter further. —Sirdog (talk) 01:25, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Nomadic profession.
I had added the nomadic tribe status in the article which has been getting consistently removed. The remover, @LukeEmily: has argued that the sources are talking about only J&K and rest are not into that profession. However, what I didn't mention that nomadic profession is followed by all Gujjars and it is the only profession. I mentioned it along with already mentioned pastoral and agricultural activities. This nomadic profession is followed by them in the whole Himalayan belt {Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand (India), Azad Kashmir(Pakistan)}. (Reference: [1][2][3]). And, this region constitutes a large chunk of Gujjar population (source:[4]), so can't be ignored. Hence, I urge to not remove my referenced articles. Regards. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 08:49, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Iamritwikaryan, I don't know who is consistently removing your content but I did remove it once here. There are several issues. 1)The main article - body and lead - already use the word nomads so why do we have to repeat it? Someone has already put a template that the lead is too big. 2)The article does not state that they are nomadic tribes in all places, hence you are generalizing some specific characteristics to the entire community. Even if the nomadic profession is followed in the entire Himalayan belt, what about the part of the community in other places? 3)I am not sure how reliable himachalwatcher.com, www.onmanorama.com and www.thehindu.com, indianexpress.com is for such analysis that a sociologist or anthropologist makes. Can you find better sources please?LukeEmily (talk) 13:06, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
LukeEmily Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. 1) I added the word nomadic in the sentence related to the profession. Regarding, lead being too long, we can concise it, for e.g. its last paragraph which can written in a better way concisely. 2) I nowhere mentioned that they are at present nomadic tribes in all places. I mentioned it along with other professions i.e. pastoralism and agriculture. Hence, it's not generalisation of the whole community, but mention of those residing in the Himalayan belt (which is a significant number) is necessary. 3) Malayala Manorama is second oldest Malayalam newspaper and has been getting published since 1888, it's readership is over 20 million.[5][6] It's a reliable source of information, same applies for the Hindu which is a newspaper of record[7] and second most circulated English-daily in India. They're definitely reliable. I'm providing alternative to Himachal Watcher newspaper, here, planning paper by Govt. of Himachal Pradesh:"Government of Himachal Pradesh" (PDF). Hope you will look into it. Regards. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 14:52, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
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Gurjar Dynasties According to a number of scholars, the Agnikula class were originally Gurjaras in which the Chauhans were a prominent clan of Gurjaras (or Gurjars)[8][9][10] 2405:205:140B:E227:76F3:4E6C:924A:AA2E (talk) 20:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- ^ "Himachal's nomadic tribes". Himachal Watcher.
- ^ "Tribes in Kashmir region". Online Manorama.
- ^ "Nomadic tribes in Uttarakhand". The Hindu.
- ^ "Strength in the Himalayan region". The Indian Express.
- ^ International Federation of Audit Bureaux of Circulations and ABC India (National Newspapers Total Circulation-2018) Download
- ^ Audit Bureau of Circulations (ABC) (January-June 2013)
- ^ Drèze, Jean; Sen, Amartya (21 February 1991). The Political Economy of Hunger: Volume 1: Entitlement and Well-being. Clarendon Press. ISBN 9780191544460.
- ^ Sir Jervoise Athelstane Baines (1912). Ethnography: castes and tribes, Volume 2,Part 5. K.J. Trübner. p. 31.
sun and fire worshiping huna or Gurjara was converted into the blue blood of rajputana, and became the forefathers of the Sisodia, Chahaun, Parmar, Parihar or calukya,..
- ^ Hoernle, A. F. Rudolf (October 1904). "Some Problems of Ancient Indian History". Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland. XXIII. Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain & Ireland: 651. Retrieved 2011-12-16.
By that marriage Haarsha had contracted an alliance with the dominant race of the Gurjaras, of whom the Chohans were a prominent clan.
- ^ Sharma, Dasharatha (1975). Early Chauhān dynasties: a study of Chauhān political history, Chauhān political institutions, and life in the Chauhān dominions, from 800 to 1316 A.D. Motilal Banarsidass. p. 280. ISBN 978-0-8426-0618-9.
According to a number of scholars, the Agnikula class were originally Gurjaras.
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