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*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:NOTMEMORIAL]]. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 14:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:NOTMEMORIAL]]. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 14:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] and -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]]. The IP's intentions are noble, but are against policy [[User:Scorpions13256|Scorpions13256]] ([[User talk:Scorpions13256|talk]]) 20:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' per [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] and -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]]. The IP's intentions are noble, but are against policy [[User:Scorpions13256|Scorpions13256]] ([[User talk:Scorpions13256|talk]]) 20:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''', since the names and ages of the victims are known. [[Special:Contributions/161.77.227.47|161.77.227.47]] ([[User talk:161.77.227.47|talk]]) 20:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC) |
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Shouldn't there be at least an entry that tries to address motive? Perhaps: No one has any idea why he intentionaly murdered all those people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:C401:72D0:DD45:C71E:DBF6:DBE0 (talk) 20:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- The article already states that he was intoxicated at the time of the incident. There has been no evidence of premeditation. Dimadick (talk) 18:31, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Is this a joke? How about you stow it with your bias. Same with the dude below who said "Opening up by saying I do not believe this crime was racially motivated or a hate crime. I believe anyone insisting such is just a troll or hates black people, and wants to use this tragedy as an excuse because the victims were white." Not only was the dude racist against whites, but also Jews. https://www.foxnews.com/us/darrell-brooks-facebook-white-people-violence Jmajchrz (talk) 22:55, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- So then it WAS an accident? That's what the prosecution is going with? 2601:642:C401:72D0:5DFC:F982:D4CF:6F8A (talk) 17:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- No, they say it was a "Vehicle-ramming attack". Slatersteven (talk) 17:53, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Here's the deal. We only repeat what has been reported in reliable secondary sources. At the moment we are not stating this was racially motivated because that has not been reported by reliable sources. We have also not stated that it was not racially motivated, for the same reason. We do not deal in conjecture. Do I find it odd that both the authorities and the MSM have chosen to avoid the question of motive thus far? Yes. But that's neither here nor there as far the encyclopedia goes. If you can find solid reliable sources (not op-ed pieces) that discuss a motive for the attack, drop a line along with a link and we can talk about it. Until then this is going no-where at the speed of light. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:14, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- If MSM and the authorities avoided the motive, then it stands to reason that there was no motive. No motive is required for drunk driving. The only reason the claim that this was some premeditated thing with a concrete motivation even exists is because right wing pundits have tried to push this narrative. No evidence of it exists. If this is ever mentioned by any chance, it will be in the context of right wing media pushing a false narrative, and how that false narrative may have influenced the 2022 Buffalo shooting, as pointed out above (but that is much more likelyto happen on that article, rather than this one). 46.97.170.139 (talk) 09:38, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- They do not avoid the motive, they just do not agree with the OP about what the motive was. Slatersteven (talk) 09:40, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- If MSM and the authorities avoided the motive, then it stands to reason that there was no motive. No motive is required for drunk driving. The only reason the claim that this was some premeditated thing with a concrete motivation even exists is because right wing pundits have tried to push this narrative. No evidence of it exists. If this is ever mentioned by any chance, it will be in the context of right wing media pushing a false narrative, and how that false narrative may have influenced the 2022 Buffalo shooting, as pointed out above (but that is much more likelyto happen on that article, rather than this one). 46.97.170.139 (talk) 09:38, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please include the names and ages of the victims. Here is a source: [1]. 161.77.227.47 (talk) 18:08, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- The inclusion of victim names requires consensus of interested editors. No such consensus exists at present. WWGB (talk) 03:02, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose including a victims list per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:25, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Clarify We don't generally list non-notable victims in articles. Obviously when describing a crime, persons who may not be independently notable, but who were materially involved in the WP:EVENT, will be identified. That said, the usual practice in cases of mass tragedy is to include an external link in the EL section to a list of the deceased. I have no objection to that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- They are notable, though. They've all been covered in multiple independent sources, globally and locally. They pass WP:GNG, and since they're notable for WP:ONEEVENT (discounting the three named on Payton Gendron's gun), this event article's Victims section is the PAG-recommended and frankly logical place to discuss them. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Clarify We don't generally list non-notable victims in articles. Obviously when describing a crime, persons who may not be independently notable, but who were materially involved in the WP:EVENT, will be identified. That said, the usual practice in cases of mass tragedy is to include an external link in the EL section to a list of the deceased. I have no objection to that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support inclusion per recent editorial trends to do so. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:26, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Aye Five Ws, WP:NPOV, NBC Chicago#News operation. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- As that last link is somewhat skeevy, here's the reigning Pulitzer leader's coverage instead. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Slatersteven (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Slatersteven and -Ad Orientem. The IP's intentions are noble, but are against policy Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support, since the names and ages of the victims are known. 161.77.227.47 (talk) 20:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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