Talk:Orochimaru (Naruto)/Archive 1

English Voice Actor

He doesn't have one? Well, when he's disguised as the Grass Ninja, he certainly has one... maybe they're the same? Best to assume that until we know there will be different roles... Tyciol 09:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Steven Jay Blum will do the US Orochimaru. Brian

Actually, its been confirmed by Kyle Herbert. Steve Blum plays Orochimaru. Two villians in one show... Violent-kun 02:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Amachi/Amachii, the Mad Scientist

Does anyone know where I could find this guy? I'm thinking of moving him wherever he is under village of Sound... Tyciol 09:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

"defeating a small country"

I had always assumed that the reason he could defeat a small country was because he himself had a small country of his own. Not that he could actually defeat every member of a small country (which, as an aside, seems unlikely given the number of super prodigies found in the ninja world).

Actually, I think that it really is because of the power. It might not be in straight combat, but as he is quite snakelike, by "poisoning" the minds of the people in the country. And just look at how damn hard it is to take care of the boss summons. He can summon Manda, enough said. Remember how hard it was during the invasion of Konoha to take care of even the quite big but definitely not manda-size snakes? Imagine Manda and Orochimaru and several resurrected people streaking through an entire country, decimating and eating (in manda's case) whomever got in their way.

Exerci 17:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ori boy cannot defeat a small band. You must have have forget, he is a weak ninja no matter how scary or terrible he apears Kakshi can kill him with his eyes and hand binded. Zabuza is way stronger then both of them and even he cant make the coupe on a small country without the support of a ninja army. Ori is just like Darth sedious(spelling?) in star wars while darth sedious is the weakest Darth lord to have ever spawned he was able to manipulate the galaxy and become emperor. Obi wan can kill Darth Kakashi can kill Ori. I'd like to ask someone to edit this part it just doesent sound right. thanks - Kara umi (to lazy to log :p)

You sound like a total fanboy. ^_^ You know that right? Zabuza doesn't even begin to have enough power to beat either Kakashi or Orochimaru. Also, Kakashi wasn't a part of the Sannin, so I really don't think that Kakashi is more powerful. Even the Akatsuki makes plans so that they can attack when Orochimaru is weak. Although Itachi could probably beat Orochimaru (Orochimaru said himself that he was scared of Itachi), the rest of the Akatsuki would probably lose, except for the leader, of course. If Orochimaru does succeed in taking over Sasuke's body, he'd probably equal Itachi, as Orochimaru could easily attain the Mangekyo Sharingan. Even now, Orochimaru is extremely powerful, and he could possibly take out a country quite easily. Your just saying all of this to praise Zabuza, who was quite easily killed by Kakashi, who would probably lose to Orochimaru if they fought. ~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 20:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC) ~

You sound like a half-fanboy too. Orochimaru was handicapped for most of Naruto I, so his complete power is unknown. And being a Sannin doesn't mean you are necessarily very strong. There are Jōnin and nuken-nin that have ability that surpass The Sannin. Doomed Rasher 21:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

The Sannin would hardly be fazed by your average Jonin-level ninja. Heck, look at the Invasion of Konoha, in which Kakashi and Gai annihilate endless hordes of Sand Village Jonins without using any special abilities. Kakashi is not as powerful as most S-Rank ninja (after the timeskip, perhaps, as having the Mangekyo Sharingan is a huge bonus), and he was scared out of his wits when Orochimaru confronted him after he performed the Fuja Hoin on Sasuke. As for Gai, well, he could perhaps fight them after opening a large number of Gates, at the cost of severely injuring himself without a guarentee of victory. Yes, perhaps certain members of Akatsuki (notably Itachi) would have the potential to equal and possibly defeat the Sannin, but they are far beyond the norm. Your average Jonin doesn't even stand a ghost of a chance.

And to the previous purpose of this discussion, yes, Orochimaru likely could run through an entire country. First the country doesn't even necessarily to have a Hidden Village, hence ninja are not required to be factored in. As such, with Manda, people revived with Kuchiyose: Edo Tensei, and Orochimaru's own innate abilities, he would easily plow through a country. That statement was largely in regard to whether Orochimaru could destroy a country, sans the Hidden Village. I think we can agree that that is completely possible. Sephiroth BCR 06:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I know this came in too late but to Doomed Rasher who said being a Sannin doesn't mean you are necessarily very strong is just wrong. If a ninja (or group of ninjas) did not possess exceptional skill, then why would they even be granted their namesake 'Densetso no Sannin'?. Densetso means legendary right? A person should have accomplished something big for him/her to be legendary. And uhh, were you able to watch the episode where Itachi and Kisame flee after their confrontation with Jiraiya? --Beef noodles 20:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to say, Orochimaru has, in essence, killed 2 Kage(3th Hokage, 4th Kazekage). Case settled.

(1) Like the guy above me typed, he has already killed 2 kages, what more evidence do you want? How's about: (2) Orochimaru proved in the post-timeskip that he's not to be messed with. He was able to hold his ground against 4 tailed Naruto, I'd say that's pretty nasty... (3) Being a Sannin doesn't necessarily equal being powerful, being LEGENDARY often equals being powerful, Orochimaru is a Legendary Sannin... I'd say that's pretty much a synonym for being powerful. Conclusion: (4) Yeah, I think Orochimaru is pretty much capable of defeating a country.

Trivia comparisons

Is the comparison to MJ and Voldemort really necessary?

I think it's fine. Is the comparison to his theme and Bach's Toccatta and Fugue in D minor neccessary?

The comparison is not necessary because Naruto was made in Japan! Japan!!! And MJ and Voldemort are from America. Some people imply that they're copying eachother (Voldemort and Orochi that is) but thats impossible! Comparisons not needed, they are just similar!!! No one else try and counter this because its useless! -Demyx111

Voldemort is british, you half-brained twit!

Where I certainly do not think Orochimaru was based off Voldemort, the fact that they were made in different countries does not even remotely make it impossible for them to copy each other, seeing as many series are released internationally. However, the ideas of having antagonistic characters resemble snakes in fiction and characters seeking immortality seem to predate both characters, and due to the lack of other similarities amoung thier characters, I would say it is highly unlikely that the characters copy each other. The Michael Jackson comparisons are completely ridiculous. As for Toccata and Fugue in D minor, bear in mind that a character from Salor Moon uses that exact peice as a personal theme, and the similarities between Orochimaru's theme and Bach's work seem too great to be coincidental.

True, true. I downloaded both songs and one part sounded the same between both of them. And maybe you're right, besides, Orochimaru came from Japanese legend and snakes have always been a symbol of immortality, so that doesn't mean Voldemort is who Orochi was based on. I noticed the similarity to MJ, but the fact that he wasn't guilty and doesn't control giant snakes makes it seem a little unlikely too.

imortality

how does orochimaru plan on get'in imortality?--Geterdone 16:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not certain, but I am under the impression that he does so by transferring his mind from body to body at certain points in time.--66.24.224.205 20:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Appearance

Is any explaination given for Orochimaru's inhuman appearance (slit pupils, pale skin, facial markings)in the manga? Also, when he transfers his soul into another host, does his new body develop these traits, and if so, how?--66.24.224.205 20:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It does, when you see him bandaged in his new body the snake eyes are there, and the bandages might just cover up the transformation, he had already switched with 2 bodies and his face was the same. As for the explanation, it could be that his DNA is carried into the hosts and slowly changing it too match his appearance, or it could be that his spirit does this, which supports the theory of him having a biju, but thats not for certain. ReaperWarrior

There are operations that can change the appearance of a person's eye. He probably has his eyes made into a snake-like fashion at the same time he had that body stretchy jutsu thing done. As for pale skin, he could either be enemic or have bleached himself.

It is said that the eyes are the mirrors of the soul, so that would kinda explain how he appears to transfer his eyes from container to container. As for the rest of him, I'm pretty sure it's some kind of genetical trait, like Shodai's mokuton ninjutsu, or a unique character trait, like Kisame's shark-like appearence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.208.27.19 (talk) 17:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

I've heard rumors that Orochimaru has had that female appearance (End of Episode 71) ever since he was 5. Did he just bleach himself when he was really young so he didn't look so much like a woman? Or is this just a hoax? I need an answer from someone who has seen the show up to where the Japanese version is now.

Orochimarus seald hands

I was wondering if orochimaru will ever get to use his hands again since the third seald them away.BLaCk 01:18, 12 August 2006

Yes. He swicthed bodies. Thus, he can use his hands. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

how can he switch bodies whithout hand seals? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geterdone (talk • contribs) .

It doesn't require hand seals. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Man you just cant keep that guy down..BLaCk 23:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Damn straight. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Orochimaru's gigantic snkaes

Those three giant snakes summoned to destroy Konoha... ... did they have three heads, or were they really three snakes? Also can all three be summoned again? – Dragonball1986

Three snakes and yes. Orochimaru does so twice. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 17:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Eight Tails

Don't you think that the host of the eight tails is Orochimaru? I mean come on, look at those devilish eyes. Even without Japanese sources, we will still know. Come on. Look at the pic! the eyes the snakes the talent.Dark Duelist 5000 22:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

He's not. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

It is pretty obvious I mean, snake eyes, snake techniques, snake-like personallity! Also, a reason that Manda only respects Orochimaru could be because of his demon, even though he said he'd eat him next time he summoned him, this could be merely the fact that Orochimaru is a mortal (...er..kinda) or that snakes don't have the same sense of honor. Orochimaru could be like Naruto, a demon sealed in him at birth, in flashbacks he has the snake eyes so it is quite possible, no one has those kinds of eyes for no reason. ReaperWarrior

That's for sure. It could be possible that he is the jinchurichi of the eight tails. Jirobo has inhuman strength. you think that he's also an owner?Dark Duelist 5000 20:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hell no. That guy died too easily. Orochimaru's not one, either. They would have sealed his biju long ago were that the case. You can be pretty much guaranteed that the remaining ones have yet to be seen. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Tell me then, how do you explain the snake-like eyes hm? ReaperWarrior

Let's see: experiments with snakes, snake jutsu, etc. What you keep forgetting is the glaring fact that biju must be sealed in a body. He's been through two already. He can't possibly have it. Additionally, if he had the eight tails, he'd be damn near invincible. A four-tailed Naruto wouldn't have overpowered him. Orochimaru is strong on his own, not because of a demon. Lastly, don't you think him being a host would have been mentioned at some point by one of the Sannin? They knew him for 20 years at least. They'd know if he had it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 00:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean been thorugh two already. Also, maybe they didn't know. It's possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.63.136 (talk • contribs)

Orochimaru has switched bodies at least once (into Genyumaru), meaning that if he had a biju it would be left behind in the old body. And it's very unlikely that Orochimaru is able to hide the fact that he's a jinchuriki, given his infamy. --Pentasyllabic 14:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Where is it established in Naruto that someone cannot transfer both their own spirit and that of a biju's into another body? The idea doesn't sound like that much of a stretch to me to begin with, considering that most everything within the show itself isn't realistic, including most obviously the existence of biju at all. Also, it is possible that since he is in his fifties (IIRC), Orochimaru's chakra has already melded with a biju's to the point where they are practically one. That could make a biju transfer easier. That said, I'm guessing that he's not a jinchuriki... we've already seen many characters in Naruto with unusual and natural physical traits, most of which are not jinchuriki. Then again, he does have a huge amount of chakra that rivals Naruto's own and Kabuto spoke of them both as monsters... I guess we'll just have to see what becomes of him.

The fact that he has snake eyes can't be because of his experiments, he had snake eyes when he was a kid and I'm pretty sure he didn't start it there... ReaperWarrior

How do you know? Orochimaru's one screwed-up guy, and it's clear he was doing experiments for some time. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

He's not that screwed up, when they found Orochimaru doing the experiments he was like what? In his twenties. Orochimaru's good, but the ANBU guys are too, they would've found him out a long time ago. He was most likely still loyal to Konoha back then. ReaperWarrior

Are you going to keep pressing the issue until someone agrees that he's the jinchuriki of a biju that has never been acknowledged to exist in the series? Because if you are, let me remind you of something: Kisame was long thought by many (myself included) to be the jinchuriki of the three-tailed demon, an Isonade. The reasoning for this idea was because there was no other explanation for his shark-like appearance and his shark-related abilities. And you know what happened? Not only was he not a jinchuriki (or maybe he is, but it's still baseless speculation), but also the three-tailed demon turned out to be a Sanbi, and not an Isonade. So, in short, I'd stop speculating about Orochimaru being a jinchuriki based solely on his appearance, techniques, and a mythological creature that may be the cause of both, because that obviously proves nothing. Snapper2 02:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Orochimaru has killed hundreds (possibly thousands) of ninja in order to learn and gain such unimaginable power (human experiments, torturing, etc.). His deformation was likely formed out of killing many and wickedness, which made his dreadful appearance like that of the devil. If Oro had stayed in Akatsuki (which he had not intended to) he would have been assigned a bijū eventually. Remember that you are the host for the bijū, NOT him for you, therefore, if he swicthed with that Kushinada girl (based of Orochi Legend) when/if he was a jinchūriki, the bijū would have been lefted behind in the old body. Someguy0830, care to fix up this paragraph so others could interpret it better, or maybe you Snapper2 could do it. There, this is, alas, Orochimaru. Dragonball1986 11:40, 1st September 2006 (UTC)

It could just be that he has snake-like qualities. Look at Kisame, he's a giant walking shark. What's wrong with having someone who looks a little bit like a snake and NOT having them be a jinchuriki?

Do you have any idea how difficult it would be for Orochimaru to constantly unseal and seal the demon everytime he moved bodies? I mean..come on. Orochimaru looks like a snake because he was born that way. Like someone argued, Kisame looks like a fish man. It's the way he was born. Besides, don't you think Akatsuki would be more intense in their methods to kill him if he did have a bijuu? I mean, they just shrug him off and address killing him casually. - Guest.

This is sad- Have you guys forgotten that Orochimaru was once part of the Akatsuki? If he had a Tailed-Beast in him, they would know, and extract it. Then, he would be dead, all his bodies (in fact, he only had one at the time). He is not dead, so he doesn't have a demon. Besides, the demons only MINORLY effect the appearance- Naruto and Gaara were still human, whereas Orochimaru is just... Orochimaru. Yalens 18:22, 7 January 2007

Something else apparently forgotten is that anything weird in Naruto can be explained simply as a "bloodline limit".

Oro vs. Third

when oro fought the third why where the ANBU watching instead of helping?

Because of the giant purple barrier of deady flame, maybe? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 18:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Even ANBU are powerless at Orochimaru-sama's feat. Kabuto Yakushi (Talk)

if i were the ANBU and there was no barier would still try.--Kenshin -Himura 21:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

the barrier, watch naruto more.

Orochimaru shapeshifting?

If we're going to put him in that category, we might as well put everyone that knows the Transformation Jutsu there too, because they also "shapeshift" to an "extent". The only shapeshifting I've seen the guy do is wearing other's faces, which I don't think qualifies. Treima 01:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Homosexuality

I heard arguments that Oro's sexuality is debatable. But if everyone sees him as homosexual, which I think is 90% of fans, then he must be. He talks about Sasuke beautiful appearance which Anko said gave him a charge. There are many other examples as well. I would like to discuss how he's an archetype for the "evil pedophile" and how the snakes and the weird tongue further this image. Like Haku he's a sexually ambiguous person. He even had a women's body. Bare in mind anime is notorious for playing with gender. Even Dynasmon and Crusadermon from the 4th season of digimon had a lot of innuendo between them, even though it was amde for kids. Do you guys think there should be a section for his sexuality outlining details of the argument? In the 21st century we don't have to be shy to include this topic. And if we do come to some consensus let's not have an edit war like the one people had for Haku's sexuality. Noman953

No way. Haku at least had some reasonable backing, but this is total bullshit(for a lack of a better term). There is abosultly nothing to base this off of. Nemu 03:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

ok, i know that haku's a homo, but come on! orochimaru? sure he was possesing a female body, but he probably couldnt find another host. i mean, every 3 years, he is forced into another body. kai hyuuga

Uh, sure, right...I'll be over here, weeping at the blatant OR-ness of your statement... Treima 00:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Summoning tattoo on his left forearm

Kabuto applies his blood to this to summon the Kyodaijia then subsequently Manda to battle Jiraiya/Gamabunta and Tsunade/Katsuyu as at the time Orochimaru's arms were still sealed and he couldn't do it himself. Does anyone know if this tattoo is present on his current body (Gen'yumaru)? BrokenSphere 20:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Logic suggests he would duplicate it, but no, we don't know. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I find it odd that this feature of his is not mentioned in the article. BrokenSphere 20:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking of adding this line and image as the second sentence of the paragraph that starts with "Orochimaru's appearance..." The image is a bit large but shows the tattoo nicely. Thoughts? BrokenSphere 18:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Line cut per fair use guidelines and being stuck in article. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

There's just something about the location of the arm tattoo image that I don't like. Ideally the pic of Team Sarutobi should come first, but then I can't find a good place for the other pic. --Pentasyllabic 22:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

He does still have the tatoo on his arm. He wouldnt need to duplicate it. When he gets a new body he removes the facial features of the new body and gets his old body back which gives him back his tatoo. Orochimaru12 18:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

This page seems to be subject to several cases of vandalism. Is there a tag that can be placed to note that this page is often vandalized and should be watched carefully? – 68.209.169.2 22:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

No, we just deal with it as it comes. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The Akatsuki page has a lock on it. Why should the Orochimaru page be vandalized?- 68.209

The locks are only for problematic pages. Vandalism here is tame. People just don't know how to stop on the Akatsuki page. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I just hope it doesn't get as bad over here as it did over there. (Does Wikipedia automatically back-up pages?)Larisha 00:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

You can view every single edit made on every single page anywhere, so yes. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah...Topic closed, then. Larisha 00:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)