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== GA Reassessment == |
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== Inclusion of Mike Richards in infobox == |
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Should Mike be included in the infobox as an official presenter? Granted, he was officially announced as one of the permanent hosts, but I think this should be contingent upon whether he is introduced as such (vs. as a "guest host") when his episodes air in September. Personally, I think his name should be removed from the infobox until we know for sure. --[[User:Bp0413|Bp0413]] ([[User talk:Bp0413|talk]]) 02:52, 22 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:If he taped episodes as host after being named permanent host, keep him in even though "he resigned". [[User:AldezD|AldezD]] ([[User talk:AldezD|talk]]) 13:12, 22 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::IMHO it might be best to wait & see how his episodes are aired in September (we know [https://www.thewrap.com/jeopardy-will-air-new-episodes-already-shot-with-short-lived-host-mike-richards/ they will be airing] currently), but I do think they could easily redub it. I'm fine with his name staying in the infobox and then removing it based on when his episodes do air (or vice versa, removing his name now and then readding it based on when his episodes do air) but either way, I think the final consensus would likely come when his episodes do air... also keep in mind that we don't need to ''immediately'' decide now... if the premiere date (September 13) isn't changed even with all this production craziness going in right now, it is less than a month away from the premiere date. [[User:Magitroopa|Magitroopa]] ([[User talk:Magitroopa|talk]]) 19:21, 22 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::In the Alex Trebek days, Johnny would overdub the morning show intros after someone else had done the initial intros. That way, Johnny only had to be there for the afternoon tapings. What with COVID, he might be doing all of them that way now. In any case, unless there's some advance info from a reliable source, the only way to know for sure is to wait and see how Johnny introduces him when the shows air. And even though his "permanent" slot only lasted a week (one day's worth of tapings), then for now he should be in the infobox, for completeness. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 23:14, 22 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::::And for those who didn't see the first show of the new season, Richards was announced as "Host", not "Guest host". ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 05:39, 14 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::None of your observations about announcers dubbing voiceovers or words used to refer to the host are referenced. It's not "the only way to know for sure". Richards was the host of five shows before he was fired, and that detail is referenced in the article. [[User:AldezD|AldezD]] ([[User talk:AldezD|talk]]) 13:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::I could look for where I read that, if you're interested. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 15:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::It's buried in this article.[https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/dec/06/nine-mile-falls-staci-huffman-to-appear-on-jeopard/] ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 06:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::And Mayim Bialik today was likewise introduced as "Host", not "Guest host". ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 04:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::...which has been referenced in section #Hosts and announcers since 8/23/21: "Mayim Bialik, Ken Jennings to Host ''Jeopardy'' Through 2021 After Mike Richards’ Exit". [[User:AldezD|AldezD]] ([[User talk:AldezD|talk]]) 12:52, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::Were those sources privy to how they were actually announced on-air? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 13:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::Announcers using terms "on-air" do not alter how Bialik is referenced as "host" in a WP:V citation titled "Mayim Bialik, Ken Jennings to Host ‘Jeopardy’ Through 2021 After Mike Richards’ Exit". [[User:AldezD|AldezD]] ([[User talk:AldezD|talk]]) 13:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::There is no better source than the show itself. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 16:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Yes, there are—the sources already linked in the article that meet [[WP:V]]. [[User:AldezD|AldezD]] ([[User talk:AldezD|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::::And where did those allegedly valid sources get their information? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 20:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::Certainly not from the announcer's copy/spoken word. The sources follow WP:V. [[User:AldezD|AldezD]] ([[User talk:AldezD|talk]]) 20:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::The only place your so-called source could have gotten it is ''from the show''. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 21:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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From the production team of the show—not from what the announcer or his copy says. I don't know or understand why you are calling a reference which meets WP:V "so-called". [[User:AldezD|AldezD]] ([[User talk:AldezD|talk]]) 21:54, 21 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:Which would be precisely where Johnny Gilbert gets it from. But if he said "guest host", that would override your source. But he didn't so it doesn't. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 01:46, 22 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::No, it wouldn't override a WP:V source. [[User:AldezD|AldezD]] ([[User talk:AldezD|talk]]) 12:54, 22 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Jennings and Bialik == |
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Why are they listed in the infobox when other guest hosts are not listed [[User:Lunacats|Lunacats]] ([[User talk:Lunacats|talk]]) 16:21, 22 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:Because they are hosts of the program per the WP:V sources already in the article. [[Jeopardy!#Hosts and announcers]], "''Jeopardy!'': Mike Richards To Host Syndicated Show, Mayim Bialik To Host Primetime & Spinoff Series", "Mayim Bialik, Ken Jennings to Host ''Jeopardy'' Through 2021 After Mike Richards’ Exit". [[User:AldezD|AldezD]] ([[User talk:AldezD|talk]]) 17:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC) |
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GA Reassessment
- Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • • Most recent review
- Result: Keep It seems like this discussion has run its course and folks are pleased with the improvements. I see the maintenance tags have been addressed. Thanks all for your work keeping this up to code. Ajpolino (talk) 21:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
I am nominating this article for Good article reassessment for multiple reasons. The citation needed, page needed and Miscellaneous info tags alone would be more than enough, but there are also of couple a potential WP:COPYVIO Youtube refs (157 and 158), and the awards section doesn't talk about or source the specific awards in prose but rather just makes it dependent on a unsourced Succession box list. It may have met the criteria at the time it was promoted, but I don't think anyone predicted how even more popular this show got and thus there were probably less experienced editors infiltrating the article with unsourced info and trivia. Nonetheless, the issues are significant enough for a reassessment. 👨x🐱 (talk) 15:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree in regards to the awards section- I came upon that recently and there is certainly no need to list predecessors or successors of when the show did win. Something similar to Whose Line Is It Anyway? (American TV series)#Awards and nominations would probably be more preferable. Would I be fine to go ahead and do that when I get a chance? Magitroopa (talk) 16:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Do whatever it takes to improve this. 👨x🐱 (talk) 16:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, I wasn't the one who did most of the work to promote this to GA (that would be SethAllen623) but I do remember when this was going through the nomination process. I am away this weekend but am willing to work when I get back...let me know if anything else needs to be done beyond reference/source fixes and improvements. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 00:23, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Opps, my apologies. I looked at the edit history and it wasn't clear who the nominator was, so I assumed it was you. Sorry. 👨x🐱 (talk) 00:30, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, I wasn't the one who did most of the work to promote this to GA (that would be SethAllen623) but I do remember when this was going through the nomination process. I am away this weekend but am willing to work when I get back...let me know if anything else needs to be done beyond reference/source fixes and improvements. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 00:23, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Do whatever it takes to improve this. 👨x🐱 (talk) 16:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'll see if I can take a look at this. The article has gotten rather bloated with fancruft and I've tried to chainsaw some of it out, but it just keeps getting worse. I'm sure we can make this one a True Daily Double. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Where does this article stand now @Ten Pound Hammer, HumanxAnthro, and Bcschneider53:. Aircorn (talk) 06:47, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Haven't had much time to take a look. I did try to trim some bloated text but I could use help on fixing the awards section and seeking feedback on what other bloat to remove. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 06:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- @TenPoundHammer: I know what I said above, but you're more than welcome to do that if you want to. I might check it out/redo the table tomorrow (currently 3:40am for me...)- just had never gotten around to it, like a whole bunch of other stuff I've been wanting to get to. I've been in the Jeopardy-mood lately (and have been cleaning up Mike Richards (television personality) since the recent news...), so will try to use that to my advantage. :P Magitroopa (talk) 07:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Fixed some of the mentioned issues. The rest seems alright, good enough to keep it as a good article in my opinion. Aircorn (talk) 23:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- The recent scandal involving the newly-announced host (who was shortly thereafter out following the scandal about his sexual comments) may affect the article's stability, so I'd wait until that settles so that we can come to a conclusion. 👨x🐱 (talk) 21:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanxAnthro: How about now? It is coming up five months which is long enough. I can close it myself if you are happy with the article, or I will request a closure from an uninvolved editor. Aircorn (talk) 02:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- This needs a citation: "In the show's history with Trebek's version, there were only six occasions where all three contestants ended the game with zero dollars." Also, it's been that long already? 👨x🐱 (talk) 03:28, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanxAnthro: How about now? It is coming up five months which is long enough. I can close it myself if you are happy with the article, or I will request a closure from an uninvolved editor. Aircorn (talk) 02:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- The recent scandal involving the newly-announced host (who was shortly thereafter out following the scandal about his sexual comments) may affect the article's stability, so I'd wait until that settles so that we can come to a conclusion. 👨x🐱 (talk) 21:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Spoken Wikipedia Recording
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have started working on a Spoken Wikipedia recording. Thanks! Camshaft64 (Talk | Contributions) 20:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- I have finished working on the Spoken Wikipedia recording and added it to this article. The version of the article I recorded is slightly outdated now (November 24, 2021), but it should still be relevant. Thanks! Camshaft64 (Talk | Contributions) 00:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Top "X" List
I haven't seen a top 10 list (pick any cut-off you wish) anywhere in the jeopardy articles.........main page, notable contestants, etc. We speak about all these great contestants, but nowhere do I see a list of top regular game dollar winners, top all-game dollar winners, most consecutive game winners etc.BumbleBum (talk) 02:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- That sounds a bit trivial to me. Anyone looking for something like than can go here. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Parodies
Apparently no one has read the book I posted about. "Trebek himself says in his book The Answer Is...(pg 229) that his favourite impersonation is by Eugene Levy in several sketches from the 1980s on SCTV." Do I have to post a picture of the page? AMCKen (talk) 06:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
accommodations for Eddie Timanus and other visually impaired contestants
Current version of the article ([1]) does not mention Eddie Timanus explicitly but mentions accommodations for visually impaired contestants twice, once under the heading "Gameplay" (Contestants who are visually impaired or blind are given a card with the category names printed in Braille before each round begins, and an audible tone is played after the clue has been read aloud.
) and once under the subheading "Final Jeopardy!" (Visually impaired or blind contestants type in their responses and wagers with a Braille keyboard.
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Is it accurate, that the keyboard which visually impaired contestants receive is a "Braille keyboard"? (And if so, has that always been true?) My strong suspicion is no; it's just a normal QWERTY keyboard. (Also, is the term "Braille keyboard" even meaningful? I tried looking that term up in Wikipedia, which has articles for Perkins Brailler and Braille technology. The latter article says, without citation, Braille computer keyboards are extremely rare.
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This was briefly discussed on this Talk Page in 2008, without resolution, here: Talk:Jeopardy!/Archive 2#Moar questions. See also this posting to Reddit: [2], which cites this specific 2005 edit that appears to have been made by Eddie Timanus: [3]. That edit summary stated, I used a standard computer keyboard, not a braille notetaker.
Also, the official Jeopardy website discusses the point here: [4] Only minor adjustments were made to accommodate Eddie: He was given the category names printed in Braille on a card at the start of each round, and a keyboard to enter his Final Jeopardy! response. This was truly an historic event.
Therefore, the article should not state that visually impaired contestants use a "Braille keyboard" for their Final Jeopardy responses, unless and until some reliable sources are found on that point.
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