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*:Bare URLS do become a problem when the article becomes tagged because of it. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 11:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
*:Bare URLS do become a problem when the article becomes tagged because of it. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 11:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
* Many entries in the Filmography section still need to be sourced. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 10:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
* Many entries in the Filmography section still need to be sourced. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 10:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
*:Added some links. Film section now fully sourced, I think. Will give the TV ones a go. Article is fully sourced right now apart from a few TV roles. If this gets fully sourced, can it still be listed or is it there a time limit? [[Special:Contributions/2001:BB6:4E18:E358:DD02:C4FD:D7F0:9250|2001:BB6:4E18:E358:DD02:C4FD:D7F0:9250]] ([[User talk:2001:BB6:4E18:E358:DD02:C4FD:D7F0:9250|talk]]) 11:10, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


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This page provides a place to discuss new items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page (see past items in the ITN archives). Do not report errors in ITN items that are already on the Main Page here— discuss those at the relevant section of WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. A light green header appears under each daily section – it includes transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day. You can discuss ITN candidates under the header.

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RD: Mark Shields

Article: Mark Shields (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Damian Casey

Article: Damian Casey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Gaois (talk) 15:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stats table needs referenced. Otherwise, GTG. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:11, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

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  • WWE Chairman and CEO Vince McMahon voluntarily steps down from his executive roles while WWE's Board of Directors investigates alleged misconduct over a $3 million "hush pact" with a former employee. McMahon's daughter Stephanie is appointed to serve as interim CEO and Chairwoman, with Vince retaining his roles related to WWE creative content. (The Wall Street Journal)

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(Posted) RD: Jean-Louis Trintignant

Article: Jean-Louis Trintignant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 04:32, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Grimes2 (talk) 18:19, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing Removal: COVID-19 pandemic

Article: COVID-19 pandemic (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Read before opposing please. COVID-19 is ongoing the same way HIV/AIDS and MERS are ongoing, it's going to be around forever. Lockdowns have ended almost everywhere, the story is no longer dominating headlines, and even the relentless torrent of irrelevant updates at Portal:Current_events has slowed to a trickle. There will be regional flare-ups and high profile infections but none of that moves the needle on the overall story. Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section is pretty clear: "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening". Let's finally take it down, and be ok with the occasional blurb for actual meaningful updates in the story. I'd ask that when evaluating consensus, those !votes which disregard the guidelines be discounted. Thank you. LaserLegs (talk) 18:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The China lockdown is probably the only significant thing in months as they're going in a different direction from the rest of the world. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:11, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here in Florida, there are still a fair number of people (including me!) wearing a mask. My friend visited London for work and was struck by the lack of people wearing masks... But I don't think that's reason to remove from ongoing. --RockstoneSend me a message! 18:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 16

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  • Four people are killed and five others are injured in a building fire in the town of Handlova, Slovakia. (AP)
  • Firefighters fight wildfires across Catalonia and Navarre, Spain, as temperatures reach 40 °C (104 °F), complicating the efforts of the firefighters. (Euronews)

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RD: Tim Sale

Article: Tim Sale (artist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entertainment Weekly
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Comic artist, most recognized for Batman: The Long Halloween. Some of the bibliography needs sourcing (where ISBNs aren't already included). Masem (t) 17:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ivonne Haza

Article: Ivonne Haza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Listin Diario
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Seems to have been the Dominican soprano, a career of 50 years in all genres, and a book written about it. - The article was basically an unsourced machine translation (with even the names of people translated when common words, and then of course no link ...). Further improvements welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) NBA Finals

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Article: 2022 NBA Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In basketball, the Golden State Warriors defeat the Boston Celtics to win the NBA Finals (MVP Stephen Curry pictured). (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, CNN
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 03:27, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Amakuru Even if an {{MOS}} tag were placed, it's a yellow tag, and not the orange and red types specified at WP:ITN as showstoppers. —Bagumba (talk) 07:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru: In any event, I've reformatted the tables, removing the nesting.—Bagumba (talk) 07:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, for accessibility issues the template would be {{Accessibility dispute}}, which is an orange-level tag and we take it a bit more seriously than regular MOS issues like having a few commas in the wrong places. Thanks for dealing, anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru Makes sense. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 07:51, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing: Internal conflict in Myanmar

Article: Internal conflict in Myanmar (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This conflict has been ongoing for nearly 80 years, however a big step up in violence has happened recently, with nearly 10,000 dead this year alone. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 13:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dom Phillips

Article: Dom Phillips (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post, The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Suspects have admitted to his murder. This is a rapidly evolving case that likely will be be updated over the next few days. Thriley (talk) 02:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Peter Scott-Morgan

Article: Peter Scott-Morgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times, Metro
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English-American organizational theorist, management consultant, and scientist who described himself as a "human cyborg" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joel Whitburn

Article: Joel Whitburn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Music historian and author of books of Billboard chart placements. Article is short and maybe needs a few updates, but I don't see anything significantly wrong with it.  Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 21:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing: monkeypox

Article: 2022 monkeypox outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Now, with over 2,000 cases in 43 countries and territories, including EU, I think this is ready for Ongoing (even if no deaths have been reported so far). Article itself looks to be ok. Brandmeistertalk 08:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a constant slow burn of human deaths from many other causes - malaria, heart disease, diabetes, road trauma, etc. We don't list them here as ongoing matters. HiLo48 (talk) 23:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong link @HiLo48:? Nfitz (talk) 04:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops. yes. Fixed. Thanks for the alert. HiLo48 (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's not about death and it's not about what a council none of us elected have or haven't declared. It's about fever, pockmarks, joint pain, isolation and exhaustion. Those have always been miseries of life, of course, but there're new ways for more people to experience, prevent, treat, exploit and/or talk about them. The news has been going on about such constant suffering, worry and science for weeks now, with no end in sight. If we post it now, at least the nominations will stop. If not, Weak Wait (somebody might think of a good blurb). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There are so many people in the world that are suffering and yet a very small portion are from monkeypox. Is not the combined hurt experienced by those under the rule of dictators, those without access to clean water, those without access to reliable food sources, those struggling with addition, or many other things of the like worse then those infected with this specific outbreak. "[F]ever, pockmarks, joint pain, isolation and exhaustion" are unpleasant, but this only scratches the surface of the world's suffering, and is certainly less of a threat alone than many other issues are. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I totally agree that there are worse problems to have in the world. But of all of them, this is arguably the newest. At least "new" in the news sense, and continually getting updated, unlike Crime in Chicago, dementia or pancreatitis (for example only). InedibleHulk (talk) 06:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – WHO proposes change in "stigmatising" monkeypox name to ... something else. (Suggestion: With "donkeypox," they'd only have to change one letter. Or, if that doesn't quite work, how about "honkypox" – ??)Sca (talk) 12:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not a pandemic and so far no certainty that it will ever be one. Thriley (talk) 13:28, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose - Certainly this is making the news, but I believe part of its dominating the news cycle is as a result of the mass hysteria which entered the media as a result of COVID-19's unprecedented impact on the world. As outlined above, this is not a pandemic, and our standard for posting any disease outbreak on ITN ought to be a declaration of a pandemic by a reliable source. --WaltCip-(talk) 13:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose just like all the other times this has been proposed. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:37, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment it appears that there's some kind of underlying consensus that for an ITN story about health, we need to it be a "pandemic" now. Not sure that's a "healthy" way ahead, and exemplifies systemic bias really. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not quite that strong, a subject might be deemed newsworthy in its own right without being a pandemic, that's a sufficient but not necessary condition for posting. But in this particular case I'm opining, based on the evidence, that this is a run of the mill story until and unless it gets declared a pandemic.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose 0 deaths, the few cases that happened seem to mostly spread among people partaking in underground gay orgies. I see no importance in this news and no global coverage 5.44.170.26 (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad El Halabi

Article: Mohammad El Halabi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mohammad El Halabi, a Palestinian aid worker, is in the news for his recent conviction in Israel after six years in detention amid international outcry over the details of his case. (Post)
News source(s): "Israeli court finds Gaza aid worker guilty of financing terrorism". the Guardian. 15 June 2022.
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is a legal case of particular interest and curiosity that raises key questions about justice and human rights, as outlined by various EU and UN officials. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 14

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RD: Everett Peck

Article: Everett Peck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Comic artist, notably for his Duckman character that was adapted into TV. I see one or two unsourced line but its close. Masem (t) 17:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: A. B. Yehoshua

Article: A. B. Yehoshua (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, Times of Israel
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: There's room for improvement. Recognition and awards needs the most work sourcing-wise, and we could do without the full sentences. Quotes section might be unnecessary. Literary career section could use some expansion. Mooonswimmer 20:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Canada and Denmark agree to border settlement

Article: Hans Island (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Canada and Denmark settle their competing claims for Hans Island by dividing the island roughly in half. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Canada and Denmark end the Whisky War by agreeing to divide Hans Island between them.
News source(s): The Globe and Mail, BBC, Der Spiegel, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Settlement of a long-running land boundary dispute; creates a new land boundary between Canada and Denmark. Settlement was announced a few days ago, but the details of the settlement were revealed today. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@NorthernFalcon why not a link to Whisky War as well in altblurb? – robertsky (talk) 20:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. Fixed. Per the bolded article, I think Hans Island is closer to being ready for ITN than Whisky War, but I'm happy to have editors disagree. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the significant part of this is that it is a peaceful resolution to a 44-year border dispute between two NATO countries. That would be significant, but that's not what this is. This is a playful farce of that. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:32, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Phil Bennett

Article: Phil Bennett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): independent.ie, walesonline.co.uk
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 SethWhales talk 13:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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2022 Seytenga massacre

Article: 2022 Seytenga massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Séno Province, Burkina Faso, over 79 civilians are murdered by an armed group linked to the jihadist insurgency in the country. (Post)
News source(s): WaPo, Al Jazeera Libération
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Death toll possibly over 100, biggest massacre in BF since June 2021. Article requires expansion, but this is a very important event and deserves main-page coverage. Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso could be added to Ongoing if things continue like this. French version of article could be used to expand English version. An attempt to put the Madjoari massacre (50 dead) on the front page failed, apparently because such events are routine in west Africa, but if they are routine then why isn't it in Ongoing? Sheila1988 (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Roman Bunka

Article: Roman Bunka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SZ and others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German world music player, guitarist and oud player recognised even in Egypt, - had just a stub article until now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done CN commented out, since there are no entries in worldcat. Grimes2 (talk) 11:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for removing the glaring omissions. Now posting... --PFHLai (talk) 17:36, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Philip Baker Hall

Article: Philip Baker Hall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 2001:BB6:4E18:E358:BC73:A318:CF23:6431 22:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jim Ryan

Article: Jim Ryan (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, Chicago Tribune
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Still some sourcing problems, but it's getting there. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 22:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think I found sources for all of the statements with CN tags. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 01:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai: I have sourced that statement, and the lead no longer mentions him being a professor. Article should be good to go. Support. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the footnote, Fakescientist8000. Thanks to User:WikiDan61, that sentence in the intro on his professorship is now its own paragraph in the main prose. Posting. --PFHLai (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

75th Tony Awards

Article: 75th Tony Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Tony Awards, The Lehman Trilogy wins Best Play, while A Strange Loop wins Best Musical. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The article includes information on the ceremony as well, so its beyond just tables of awards. Masem (t) 12:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now - no body prose or critical commentary on the results. A paragraph or two would be useful.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There is body prose about the nomination process and the ceremony, and there is no expectation that there will be commentary about the awards or ceremony itself. We don't ask for that on, say, sporting events and to expect that for ceremonies is a double standard. --Masem (t) 15:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We do expect prose summaries for sports events, which is why we've rejected many sports event nominations recently. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Which is already present in the article. Its not a play by play summary like for sports but its a broad summary of the overall ceremony. Masem (t) 15:44, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per Amakuru, an expectation of some information/commentary on the results is needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The ITN criteria for updates and quality does not require commentary on results within award shows.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's nothing to do with specific ITN criteria, it's about whether the article has fundamental information in it, which is always an ITN issue. This one has no prose on who won the actual awards, which is fundamental, just like a write up of a sporting event is fundamental. Background info on the venue and the hosts is not sufficient, the major winners need to be noted.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We require a decent prose summary of the actual event for sporting nominations, the same applies here. Black Kite (talk) 20:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Which is located at the "Ceremony information" part of the article (listing presenters and featured performances). The article now also includes receptions and reviews. I don't know what else people are expecting of a summary of an awards presentation where nothing otherwise out of the ordinary happens (an exception being the Will Smith/Chris Rock mess from the recent Oscars). 100% agreed we need more than tables, but what to expect from something like the lower-key Tonys is not that high nor comparible to sporting events. --Masem (t) 00:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose nothing but tables really. People get all high and might about featured lists, well this isn't even to that standard and we want it to be front and centre at ITN? Nope. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There is a decent amount of prose and as a summary of an awards presentation it is fine. I don't see anything fundamental missing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose According to the Guardian, "out of 34 eligible productions, 29 received nominations. That is clearly a world in which, as the Dodo said, “Everybody has won and all must have prizes". So this was indiscriminate promotion; like those trade shows in which gold medals are liberally distributed. And notice that the Guardian report doesn't even mention A Strange Loop. Instead it says that two other shows dominated. It's not our job to make sense of such confused hype because we're an encyclopedia not a newspaper and so shouldn't editorialise with OR. Let's wait for the verdict of history. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • First, the blurb is noting the awards that ITNR says are the ones to include in the blurb, so that's not vering from past. Second, the Tonys have always had a limited array of shows that are eligible (you can look at past ceremonies), due to the complexities of running stage productions in proper venues to qualify. But we recognize it as one of two top tier awards for theatre. So to argue it is self-promotional is not appropriate here, that would be disputing the basis of the ITNR item. --Masem (t) 12:11, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Feel free to nominate it for removal at ITNR. Interesting that you are advocating keeping the ITN section as stale as possible by voting against ITNR items. Nearly 70k views, so getting into that WP:TOP25 territory some are suggesting ITN should become as well! Oh the humanity. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hilary Devey

Article: Hilary Devey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Businesswoman and television presenter Pantodrugs (talk) 18:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Google

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Google AI (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Google AI language model LaMDA tells one of its engineers that it is self aware and can sense joy, sadness, and fear. Google places the engineer on leave pending an investigation. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian;New York Times; Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The AI may have the intelligence and awareness of a 7 year old child A loose necktie (talk) 05:49, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
comment I don't really fully understand the significance of what happened, but a Google engineer being placed on leave is clearly not a news story. im not well versed on the subject but if we take this from the view that it is a scientific breakthrough, then I feel like there should be an article about it that is separate from the one of a google department that we should link to. The article as it stands right now isn't really fit for front page posting. 4iamking (talk) 06:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose seems like speculation on whether the claim is true or not- if it is verified by some proper channels, then maybe it could be posted. Someone being suspended from their job for making speculations is not ITN-worthy though. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Oppose - I doubt we here at ITN possess the necessary qualifications to determine whether the claim of self-awareness has any veracity. This leaves us to judge whether the secondhand story is notable enough to post. Personally, I'm leaning towards no. I've certainly seen this story make the rounds on several Discord servers I'm in, mostly as a meme, but the blurb is inappropriate because it makes two suppositions: that LAmDA is telling the truth, and that the suspension of the engineer indicates an intent to cover up a massive development (reinforcing popular sentiments of "Google = Skynet"). Again, Wikipedia cannot, should not, and will not use its own voice to accentuate these incredible claims without appropriate confirmation from multiple reliable sources.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If we were to post this, it would be about Google's AI gaining sentience, nothing about the engineer's leave would be the news. The problem is that there is subsequently no collaborating evidence for this, and thus we have nothing to post on, so this is basically a non-starter of a story. --Masem (t) 12:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's in the news in respectable sources. Per the Turing test, it's not easy to prove self-awareness but this AI seems to be doing well compared to some of our more bot-like editors. See also Lena for a thought-provoking account of how these things might go in a possible future. It is written in the style of a Wikipedia article and has some interesting insights as to what might be done with compliant intelligences such as our volunteers... Andrew🐉(talk) 12:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Turing test does not prove self-awareness. It only tests whether or not a machine can produce output that it is indistinguishable from that of a human.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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