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* Many entries in the Filmography section still need to be sourced. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 10:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC) |
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*:Added some links. Film section now fully sourced, I think. Will give the TV ones a go. Article is fully sourced right now apart from a few TV roles. If this gets fully sourced, can it still be listed or is it there a time limit? [[Special:Contributions/2001:BB6:4E18:E358:DD02:C4FD:D7F0:9250|2001:BB6:4E18:E358:DD02:C4FD:D7F0:9250]] ([[User talk:2001:BB6:4E18:E358:DD02:C4FD:D7F0:9250|talk]]) 11:10, 19 June 2022 (UTC) |
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RD: Mark Shields
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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– Muboshgu (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Well-known commentator, not always PC, but could be very funny. Article looks fine. RIP. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:54, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Clean start article which is well referenced. KittenKlub (talk) 21:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- No details for the latter half of a 60 year career. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
RD: Damian Casey
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent
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Gaois (talk) 15:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Stats table needs referenced. Otherwise, GTG. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:11, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have removed the stats table as apart from being unsourced, it was also 12 games out of date. His total stats in the infobox are sourced. Support now. Black Kite (talk) 11:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Jean-Louis Trintignant
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Thriley (talk) 04:32, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose awards is unsatisfactorily referenced. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Done Grimes2 (talk) 18:19, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good enough. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 11:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Ongoing Removal: COVID-19 pandemic
Nominator's comments: Read before opposing please. COVID-19 is ongoing the same way HIV/AIDS and MERS are ongoing, it's going to be around forever. Lockdowns have ended almost everywhere, the story is no longer dominating headlines, and even the relentless torrent of irrelevant updates at Portal:Current_events has slowed to a trickle. There will be regional flare-ups and high profile infections but none of that moves the needle on the overall story. Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section is pretty clear: "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening". Let's finally take it down, and be ok with the occasional blurb for actual meaningful updates in the story. I'd ask that when evaluating consensus, those !votes which disregard the guidelines be discounted. Thank you. LaserLegs (talk) 18:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strongest support - I was about to nominate this yesterday for similar reasons, but I was lazy CR-1-AB (talk) 20:19, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Yes, I agree. Regardless of my differences of opinion with LaserLegs, I had previously nominated this a few months ago when it was leaving the news cycle. We are not in a state of constant lockdowns as we were years ago, despite new variants springing up every now and then.--WaltCip-(talk) 20:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Given the situation in China still and rising rates, to call this a "part of everyday life" is still a bit too early. There are still daily headlines about COVID. --Masem (t) 21:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- No it's not "a bit too early". COVID is almost in endemic phase, and nobody outside of China (and maybe the Wikipedia community) cares anymore CR-1-AB (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- "nobody [...] cares anymore". Well, speak for yourself. There is nothing to indicate that in a few months national and international restrictive measures may be implemented again. Yes, everyone has started to forget the pandemic, but we are making a mistake to remove it from "ongoing" now. IMO, we should wait until the WHO declares it endemic. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Alsoriano97: I agree with you -- you may want to also !vote just so your comment doesn't get buried. --RockstoneSend me a message! 06:33, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- "nobody [...] cares anymore". Well, speak for yourself. There is nothing to indicate that in a few months national and international restrictive measures may be implemented again. Yes, everyone has started to forget the pandemic, but we are making a mistake to remove it from "ongoing" now. IMO, we should wait until the WHO declares it endemic. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- No it's not "a bit too early". COVID is almost in endemic phase, and nobody outside of China (and maybe the Wikipedia community) cares anymore CR-1-AB (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support - packed to the back half of the news cycle now. Regional flare ups are going to happen for years, but for most folks the masks are off, the travel and vaccination mandates are ending, the public health orders have been lifted, and the daily updates have become monthly. - Floydian τ ¢ 22:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Still in the news, still a pandemic. Big news today in the US re: vaccines for children.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Cases are up in California[2] and the UK too.[3] Apparently it's impacting the upcoming Tour de France.[4] – Muboshgu (talk) 22:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- SacBee doesn't load for me, but The Guardian makes it clear that this is only a slight English rise (1:70 to 1:50) over last week's estimated infection rate. It's quite further below the one in thirteen guessed April 1. No comment on bike racing. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:12, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- And one US state (Florida) updating it's vaccine guidance for children is hardly "big news" --LaserLegs (talk) 10:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- The big news is the FDA authorization for under 5s, which obviously applies nationwide, rather than Florida's response. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:48, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support per Floydian. The Kip (talk) 23:18, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Lean Oppose I think we are certainly at the time where we can reasonably discuss this, though I think this is still a bit early. Situation in China notwithstanding, Covid still has an impact on most people's lives, even if most may experience relatively little disruption at this point. There have been less updates, but I think we are still at a point in which we are getting frequent enough updates to justify keeping this posted. Could certainly be convinced otherwise though. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support While it's technically still a coronavirus pandemic by most epidemiological standards and the disease is still fairly deadly to certain groups, it's not the daily life dominating global juggernaut it had been. As said, most restrictions have lifted. Fine to remain in the ongoing sidebar with active news lines like bird flu and opioids, but not the Big Box. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:38, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strongest possible oppose -- it is still a pandemic per the WHO. It should not be removed from Ongoing until it is no longer a pandemic as per the WHO. Otherwise, we'll want constant posts about it on ITN again, especially as new vaccines roll out -- while we all want the vaccines, I don't think we want 30 ITN blurbs about it. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 02:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I'm pretty sure we won't want what none of us wants, and think you might like to reword your ending. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:11, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's easier to simply keep this in ongoing (because, you know, the pandemic IS still ongoing, and IS still killing thousands of people daily) then to go back to posting important updates to ITN. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 06:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the rewrite. Personally, I still don't want multiple vaccines, a cocktail of vaccine blurbs or an Ongoing item whose updates are mainly numerical. But at least I see your point now! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:54, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's easier to simply keep this in ongoing (because, you know, the pandemic IS still ongoing, and IS still killing thousands of people daily) then to go back to posting important updates to ITN. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 06:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW, we do not have HIV/AIDS listed, and it remains a pandemic. I'm fine with it being an inclusion criteria, but it could remain a pandemic without the frequent updates required for the item to be ITN. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:50, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I'm pretty sure we won't want what none of us wants, and think you might like to reword your ending. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:11, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support per Floydian Nyanardsan (talk) 05:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support The emergency is long past over by now. 2001:558:6045:B5:3881:EDDF:FF29:4BE7 (talk) 07:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, that's certainly not true. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:07, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose It's still a major story. -TenorTwelve (talk) 09:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support An awful lot of people die for an awful lot of reasons, an awful lot of problems receive a steady stream of news coverage over a long period of time, we can't list them all.--Llewee (talk) 10:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support removal ongoing articles are expected to be updated with pertinant new information every few days. This isn't the case for this article, as there's not much new pertinent information. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - it's still a bit too soon. It's still very much in the news. When it isn't a pandemic, I think that'll be a suitable time for removal. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:54, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- The AIDS epidemic has been going on since 1981. Probably need a different exit criteria, one that actually aligns with the Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section guidelines. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Wishful thinking to think it’s passed. See headline news from yesterday in UK for example; Guardian. yorkshiresky (talk) 11:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Statistics_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_Kingdom#New_cases_by_day_reported context matters, so does the Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section guidelines. There is nothing new happening here, just the ebb and flow of infections. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above and per what I explained above. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Reponding to what you asserted above, if the restrictions start up again we can evaluate and either blurb or put in ongoing. The section isn't for what might happen. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:57, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- What's the most recent event here that we'd realistically have blurbed, if this weren't in ongoing? My gut feeling is that it should remain, but I'd really rather have an evidence-based reason. —Cryptic 13:59, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- The China lockdown is probably the only significant thing in months as they're going in a different direction from the rest of the world. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:11, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem and Muboshgu. The pandemic is still receiving headline news on a daily basis. -- Tavix (talk) 14:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- that page is not so much news and just some countries updating statistics for the most part. 4iamking (talk) 16:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support - At this point, COVID is clearly an endemic rather than a pandemic. Interstellarity (talk) 15:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support - localised stories may still occur, but at this point it is pretty much out of the news cycle and overshadowed by more siginificant global events. 4iamking (talk) 16:18, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support. It's no longer news and the virus is here to stay. It can always be returned when the upsilon variant raises its ugly head. KittenKlub (talk) 16:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support it's of almost no interest other than the critically vulnerable right now. Long COVID is a real problem but that's not really what ITN is here for. I'm currently sitting in a restaurant in the UK and can't see a single mask. Cases are up and vulnerable people are dying, but it's faded to background now. Of course if we see a spike because Omicron BA.7 or whatever future variant turns up and starts aggressively killing people, we can re-add it. Otherwise, this is a done deal for now. PS I'm not sure when "it's a pandemic" became a criterion for ITN... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Here in Florida, there are still a fair number of people (including me!) wearing a mask. My friend visited London for work and was struck by the lack of people wearing masks... But I don't think that's reason to remove from ongoing. --RockstoneSend me a message! 18:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Pandemic or endemic, it still is receiving daily coverage all around the world in a way HIV/AIDS and MERS definitely are not. Think about it. When was the last time major news agencies, sites, newspapers all around the globe reported on any other pandemic or endemic? On the other hand, COVID-19 generates headlines daily still. Other events might overshadow it a bit these days but it's not going away any time soon. Saying "it's no longer news" simply does not match the actual reporting going on. You can go to basically any news site today and it will have a covid-19-related story on there. Regards SoWhy 18:18, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment -- for anyone who claims this is no longer in the news, COVID is the front page headline in my local newspaper. It is pretty clearly in the news. --RockstoneSend me a message! 18:58, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not that its not in the news, but there isn't anything new in the news... Most news stories these days are either "X amount of covid cases reported in Y location", or the occasional politician/celebrity being diagnosed, That's hardly significant. 4iamking (talk) 19:22, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, most stories are about new vaccine rules, discussions on new rules/restrictions to combat rising cases etc. The amount of cases is routinely reported by all major news outlets but usually not in headlines. Regards SoWhy 20:38, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- You already opposed rockstone, no need to oppose again. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's why it says "comment" and not "oppose"... --RockstoneSend me a message! 22:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not that its not in the news, but there isn't anything new in the news... Most news stories these days are either "X amount of covid cases reported in Y location", or the occasional politician/celebrity being diagnosed, That's hardly significant. 4iamking (talk) 19:22, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I still have to wear a mask when on the train. There are restrictions still in place in parts of the world. Steelkamp (talk) 04:41, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose China is doubling down on its zero-COVID policy which will generate lockdown and supply chain chaos into 2023. See FT; CNN; Guardian; &c. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Tim Sale
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entertainment Weekly
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Comic artist, most recognized for Batman: The Long Halloween. Some of the bibliography needs sourcing (where ISBNs aren't already included). Masem (t) 17:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ivonne Haza
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Listin Diario
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Seems to have been the Dominican soprano, a career of 50 years in all genres, and a book written about it. - The article was basically an unsourced machine translation (with even the names of people translated when common words, and then of course no link ...). Further improvements welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 11:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- What's with the family tree in the personal life section? Seems like fluff. Otherwise, all is good. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- I found it, and didn't have the heart to remove it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article seems good. Alex-h (talk) 12:14, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:04, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) NBA Finals
Blurb: In basketball, the Golden State Warriors defeat the Boston Celtics to win the NBA Finals (MVP Stephen Curry pictured). (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bagumba (talk · give credit), HappyBoi3892 (talk · give credit) and Nbagoodfun (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
– Muboshgu (talk) 03:27, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Has game summaries, referenced. Just added 2 pics of Curry to the image protection page. SpencerT•C 04:45, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Background and series is covered and sourced.—Bagumba (talk) 05:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support The 2022 NBA Finals article covers the games very well. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 05:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article is comprehensive and well-sourced. 2603:8000:144:8D00:680A:1246:E89:C13D (talk) 05:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - "Road to the final" section seems to have nested tables, which is prohibited by MOS:ACCESS as it confuses screen readers. Unmarking as ready, as this should be resolved before posting. Otherwise, looks good enough. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 06:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also, can those tables explain the abbrevations (x, y, c, pi), as most readers won't know what they mean? I know they're to do with how teams qualified for playoffs and what round, but even I don't know what some of them mean. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Added. —Bagumba (talk) 07:18, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru Even if an {{MOS}} tag were placed, it's a yellow tag, and not the orange and red types specified at WP:ITN as showstoppers. —Bagumba (talk) 07:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: In any event, I've reformatted the tables, removing the nesting.—Bagumba (talk) 07:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, for accessibility issues the template would be {{Accessibility dispute}}, which is an orange-level tag and we take it a bit more seriously than regular MOS issues like having a few commas in the wrong places. Thanks for dealing, anyway. — Amakuru (talk) 07:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru Makes sense. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 07:51, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, for accessibility issues the template would be {{Accessibility dispute}}, which is an orange-level tag and we take it a bit more seriously than regular MOS issues like having a few commas in the wrong places. Thanks for dealing, anyway. — Amakuru (talk) 07:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also, can those tables explain the abbrevations (x, y, c, pi), as most readers won't know what they mean? I know they're to do with how teams qualified for playoffs and what round, but even I don't know what some of them mean. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 07:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Post posting support despite me being a lifelong Celtics fan, GG to GSW. Article looks good enough for posting. Cheers. WimePocy 11:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @WimePocy: As another life-long Celtics fan, I believe that this team will win it one day.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose/Pull. Sporting events are entertainment & not important. 2001:558:6045:B5:3881:EDDF:FF29:4BE7 (talk) 07:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC) — 2001:558:6045:B5:3881:EDDF:FF29:4BE7 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- It doesn't matter if it's important. This is ITNR. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Ongoing: Internal conflict in Myanmar
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Hcoder3104 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: This conflict has been ongoing for nearly 80 years, however a big step up in violence has happened recently, with nearly 10,000 dead this year alone. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 13:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose seems like an arbitrary point to include, and am concerned this is a topic that is getting nearly daily updates (as ongoing items should be used for). --Masem (t) 14:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment, Unfortunately the article does not show any new event or news for this ongoing conflict. Alex-h (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose per above. Few to no recent updates. The Kip (talk) 01:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose per above, Timeline section stops at "late 2021", not this June. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Not a single event, but armed resistance is intensifying. [5][6] For the protestors, the junta is also preparing the first legal executions since 1988.[7] The articles on the 2021–2022 Myanmar insurgency and the 2021–2022 Myanmar protests need to be updated. Joofjoof (talk) 13:45, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
RD: Dom Phillips
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Suspects have admitted to his murder. This is a rapidly evolving case that likely will be be updated over the next few days. Thriley (talk) 02:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- The vast majority of the article is his disappearance and death. It needs more about his life. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Concern - This article was created a week ago, and as per Muboshgu, seems to focus primarily on his disappearance and death. I do not believe that ITN/RD was designed for such articles where the significance is as a result of the person's death. I won't !vote to outright oppose since ITN/RD does not exclude articles on the basis of significance. However, I see it as very difficult for the article to survive an AFD or a merger.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- He looked to be notable before his disappearance and death. He was a major reporter in the Amazon and a noted music reporter before that. I expect in the coming days obituaries will be published that will help summarize his life and career. Thriley (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think that's been established at all. Seems to be clearly WP:1EVENT at this point, and obits cannot counter that. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- He looked to be notable before his disappearance and death. He was a major reporter in the Amazon and a noted music reporter before that. I expect in the coming days obituaries will be published that will help summarize his life and career. Thriley (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Quality is not there yet. Basically a stub.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support But larger article is Killings of Bruno Pereira and Dom Phillips, which also needs attention.Martinevans123 (talk) 22:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The Washington Post published his obituary yesterday: [8] Thriley (talk) 05:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Peter Scott-Morgan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times, Metro
Credits:
- Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ghmyrtle (talk · give credit) and PamD (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English-American organizational theorist, management consultant, and scientist who described himself as a "human cyborg" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Missing any details on his career. Stephen 01:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Dubious sourcing - see WP:METRO for example. Major claims supported by the subject's website alone. Joofjoof (talk) 15:36, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Metro no longer used. If you still have issues with any source, perhaps you could add some tag(s)? May thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Metro was used to verify his death - I have removed it now, along with a blog reference. Inline tags have been added. Joofjoof (talk) 06:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Some work now done - others may like to carry on with it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Metro was used to verify his death - I have removed it now, along with a blog reference. Inline tags have been added. Joofjoof (talk) 06:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Metro no longer used. If you still have issues with any source, perhaps you could add some tag(s)? May thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
RD: Joel Whitburn
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Doc Strange (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Music historian and author of books of Billboard chart placements. Article is short and maybe needs a few updates, but I don't see anything significantly wrong with it. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 21:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Article is orange tagged for verification, and article remains a stub. Need additional prose and references in order for this wikibio to qualify for ITN. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Ongoing: monkeypox
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Now, with over 2,000 cases in 43 countries and territories, including EU, I think this is ready for Ongoing (even if no deaths have been reported so far). Article itself looks to be ok. Brandmeistertalk 08:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support I think by now the case for putting this into ongoing is necessary with rising cases. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support - I've made a couple changes, and I would recommend removing the flags. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Not COVID, still important This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 12:30, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Not noticeably in the news at this pt. – Sca (talk) 12:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Sca 23.242.184.63 (talk) 15:40, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support There have, in fact, been 72 monkeypox deaths so far this year according to the UN. That's more deaths than the Nigerian massacre or the Bangladesh fire, which we are currently blurbing. And there's still plenty of daily news coverage of different aspects in major sources: BBC; Reuters; CNN; NYT; Atlantic, &c. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:25, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- An issue is that monkeypox has been a constant threat in Africa, and there always are ongoing deaths from that. That's likely the bulk of that 72 number. However, the world news has generally turned a blind eye to covering that. It is only now with a more viral version that has survived cross continental spread has attention been given (the scope of the outbreak article). In fact our outbreak article reports 0 deaths so far from the
- He outbreak. Thats the thing with money pox in general, it's like long standing conflicts in Africa or South America, that we know people are dying or long periods of time, but there's minimal attention given because it doesn't affect western nations. Masem (t) 20:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support There is a constant slow burn of cases, makes sense for it to be in ongoing. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- There is a constant slow burn of human deaths from many other causes - malaria, heart disease, diabetes, road trauma, etc. We don't list them here as ongoing matters. HiLo48 (talk) 23:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. As before, this should be blurbed if and when WHO declare it a pandemic, then Ongoing after that. But until then it's just a matter of rich westerners getting upset that a disease regularly afflicting Africans has spread to their shores. Also as Sca says, it's not really in the news that much at the moment. — Amakuru (talk) 19:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- PS - there's also an argument that this is a problem that will never go away. So If we put it in Ongoing then it will remain there indefinitely. Which means we should also list flu and malnutrition and certain conflicts as "ongoing" because they never end. But that's not the point of ongoing. It's for items that are updating very regularly with stories and updates that are each newsworthy in themselves. — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Very few deaths. There are diseases and flus going around all the time. This isnt any more noticeable with 72 deaths. Would HIV/AIDS be an ongoing topic. It is also a disease that can spread and kill people? Haris920 (talk) 20:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Maybe wait until it's declared a PHEIC? 130.75.182.247 (talk) 22:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose until it's declared a pandemic by the WHO. Until then, no. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The World Health Organisation says it's not a pandemic, and unlikely to become one. HiLo48 (talk) 22:52, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- COMMENT If we must discuss this, we must keep up with the planned rename. Monkeypox will be renamed, says World Health Organization HiLo48 (talk) 22:52, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wrong link @HiLo48:? Nfitz (talk) 04:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Whoops. yes. Fixed. Thanks for the alert. HiLo48 (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wrong link @HiLo48:? Nfitz (talk) 04:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support It's not about death and it's not about what a council none of us elected have or haven't declared. It's about fever, pockmarks, joint pain, isolation and exhaustion. Those have always been miseries of life, of course, but there're new ways for more people to experience, prevent, treat, exploit and/or talk about them. The news has been going on about such constant suffering, worry and science for weeks now, with no end in sight. If we post it now, at least the nominations will stop. If not, Weak Wait (somebody might think of a good blurb). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- There are so many people in the world that are suffering and yet a very small portion are from monkeypox. Is not the combined hurt experienced by those under the rule of dictators, those without access to clean water, those without access to reliable food sources, those struggling with addition, or many other things of the like worse then those infected with this specific outbreak. "[F]ever, pockmarks, joint pain, isolation and exhaustion" are unpleasant, but this only scratches the surface of the world's suffering, and is certainly less of a threat alone than many other issues are. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I totally agree that there are worse problems to have in the world. But of all of them, this is arguably the newest. At least "new" in the news sense, and continually getting updated, unlike Crime in Chicago, dementia or pancreatitis (for example only). InedibleHulk (talk) 06:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- There are so many people in the world that are suffering and yet a very small portion are from monkeypox. Is not the combined hurt experienced by those under the rule of dictators, those without access to clean water, those without access to reliable food sources, those struggling with addition, or many other things of the like worse then those infected with this specific outbreak. "[F]ever, pockmarks, joint pain, isolation and exhaustion" are unpleasant, but this only scratches the surface of the world's suffering, and is certainly less of a threat alone than many other issues are. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – WHO proposes change in "stigmatising" monkeypox name to ... something else. (Suggestion: With "donkeypox," they'd only have to change one letter. Or, if that doesn't quite work, how about "honkypox" – ??) – Sca (talk) 12:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not a pandemic and so far no certainty that it will ever be one. Thriley (talk) 13:28, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose - Certainly this is making the news, but I believe part of its dominating the news cycle is as a result of the mass hysteria which entered the media as a result of COVID-19's unprecedented impact on the world. As outlined above, this is not a pandemic, and our standard for posting any disease outbreak on ITN ought to be a declaration of a pandemic by a reliable source. --WaltCip-(talk) 13:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose just like all the other times this has been proposed. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:37, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment it appears that there's some kind of underlying consensus that for an ITN story about health, we need to it be a "pandemic" now. Not sure that's a "healthy" way ahead, and exemplifies systemic bias really. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's not quite that strong, a subject might be deemed newsworthy in its own right without being a pandemic, that's a sufficient but not necessary condition for posting. But in this particular case I'm opining, based on the evidence, that this is a run of the mill story until and unless it gets declared a pandemic. — Amakuru (talk) 23:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose 0 deaths, the few cases that happened seem to mostly spread among people partaking in underground gay orgies. I see no importance in this news and no global coverage 5.44.170.26 (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Mohammad El Halabi
Blurb: Mohammad El Halabi, a Palestinian aid worker, is in the news for his recent conviction in Israel after six years in detention amid international outcry over the details of his case. (Post)
News source(s): "Israeli court finds Gaza aid worker guilty of financing terrorism". the Guardian. 15 June 2022.
Credits:
- Nominated by Iskandar323 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is a legal case of particular interest and curiosity that raises key questions about justice and human rights, as outlined by various EU and UN officials. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose another conviction as part of a much larger problem. I haven't seen substantial international impact or interest. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Social worker sentenced to jail without actual international effects. Yawn. We're not a news ticker, people! Cheers! Fakescientist8000 12:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe better suited for Portal:Current events than ITN? --PFHLai (talk) 17:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: Maybe. I'm not familiar with ITN, so perhaps don't have the right sense of what qualifies here. How do things get added to that portal? Can anyone just edit it? Iskandar323 (talk) 06:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Affirmative. Unlike ITN on MainPage, Portal:Current events is not protected. Happy editing! --PFHLai (talk) 09:57, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: Maybe. I'm not familiar with ITN, so perhaps don't have the right sense of what qualifies here. How do things get added to that portal? Can anyone just edit it? Iskandar323 (talk) 06:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Everett Peck
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Comic artist, notably for his Duckman character that was adapted into TV. I see one or two unsourced line but its close. Masem (t) 17:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
RD: A. B. Yehoshua
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, Times of Israel
Credits:
- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: There's room for improvement. Recognition and awards needs the most work sourcing-wise, and we could do without the full sentences. Quotes section might be unnecessary. Literary career section could use some expansion. Mooonswimmer 20:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Is the article well cited? Is it long enough? (735 words) Is it generally issue free? Article does have sourcing issues, and that needs improvement IMMEDIATELY. Ping me once finished, I will reevaluate the page. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 23:03, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Article has sourcing issues and the lead can be expanded to reflect his importance/impact. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:11, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Still 10+ {cn} tags need to be addressed. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:29, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Canada and Denmark agree to border settlement
Blurb: Canada and Denmark settle their competing claims for Hans Island by dividing the island roughly in half. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Canada and Denmark end the Whisky War by agreeing to divide Hans Island between them.
News source(s): The Globe and Mail, BBC, Der Spiegel, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Skjoldbro (talk · give credit), Harritage (talk · give credit) and Eivindgh (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Settlement of a long-running land boundary dispute; creates a new land boundary between Canada and Denmark. Settlement was announced a few days ago, but the details of the settlement were revealed today. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @NorthernFalcon why not a link to Whisky War as well in altblurb? – robertsky (talk) 20:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- My bad. Fixed. Per the bolded article, I think Hans Island is closer to being ready for ITN than Whisky War, but I'm happy to have editors disagree. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Very interesting news of high encyclopedic value. I really don't remember a similar resolution of a territorial dispute. However, both articles require fixing the reference gaps before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment it's debatable whether the bold link should be to the island or to Whisky War, which is the article for the dispute that's been resolved. In either case, some citations will be needed. Support in principle though, it seems a good encyclopedic story. — Amakuru (talk) 20:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support once the few citations still needed are added to both articles. We can bold both the island and the war article if they're both fundamental to thus story? Unusual but nothing to say we cannot do that. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- how often does something like this happen? Also, TIL that Canada technically borders Denmark! -- RockstoneSend me a message! 21:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Where did you think Greenland popped in.?! Gotitbro (talk) 23:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support per all above. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The resolution of the "war"/conflict is the news not the island in and of itself, and thus the former should be bolded. Gotitbro (talk) 23:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment As of typing this, there are nine cite needed tags on the island article. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Lacks general significance. Might make a DYK. – Sca (talk) 12:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose – While a very amusing topic, this is a very minor legacy border dispute regarding a small uninhabited piece of land. I recognize that resolutions of such border disputes are rare, but there is no significance to this one, as it contains no structures, resources, or even much nature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:50, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose due to a lack of significance. The dispute was over a tiny, uninhabited, remote, cold island that isn't likely to be used for anything. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 14:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Except a DYK. ;-) -- Sca (talk) 14:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, Not a significant news for a remote, uninhabited island. Alex-h (talk) 15:42, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support - the significant part of this is that it is a peaceful resolution to a 44-year border dispute between two NATO countries. These disputes are very rare in such cases, and peaceful resolutions of such disputes anywhere in the world are a fairly infrequent occurence. Plus it's a goofy little story to have amongst our normal list of sombre news/disasters, and sports highlights, that latter of which also has little significance on the world stage (excluding maybe the Olympics and FIFA WC) - Floydian τ ¢ 16:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose the significant part of this is that it is a peaceful resolution to a 44-year border dispute between two NATO countries. That would be significant, but that's not what this is. This is a playful farce of that. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:32, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support though I do wonder if we should wait until ratification. -- Vaulter 16:15, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose WP:ITNMINIMUMDEATHS of zero. /s Howard the Duck (talk) 17:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support. My condolences to those who were profiting from the exchange of liquor over the years and now no longer get free whiskey but despite the somewhat humorous nature the dispute took over the years, settling it after such a long time is indeed news and the sources show that this has been reported by a number of international news sources. Regards SoWhy 20:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support. It's nice that they came to an aknowlegement, would be interesting to see if they continue it as a tradition or not. Koltinn (talk) 21:15 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support The island may remote and uninhabited, but so are a lot of places currently being fought over. Could have implications for other disputes. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:27, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support This may be circumstantial, but a quick search for "Canada" and "Denmark" on Google lists this as part of its "Top stories" in both instances. Seems like that qualifies as pretty newsworthy. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 10:25, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - lots of good support here, but noting that there are still far too many citations needed in both Hans Island and Whisky War, so this can't be considered for ITN yet until that's resolved. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 10:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support - More than just being newsworthy, it's interesting. I think our readers are best served by directing them to these types of events that they may not be exposed to on a daily basis.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not to say this shouldn't be posted due to consensus, but I think news like this (not ground-shattering world news but a interesting tidbit that has recent news coverage and has a good article behind it) would really make for a better DYK or something inbetween ITN and DYK. --Masem (t) 12:15, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed, ideally suited to DYK. -- Sca (talk) 13:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- In this case, I'm going to be biased in favor of ITN, mostly because an item will be DYK for only a day while the story will stay on the ITN ticker for a few days longer, thus ensuring that more people have a chance to look at the article. WaltCip-(talk) 12:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- And be bored. -- Sca (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know many people who go to Wikipedia, let alone ITN, expecting bungee jumping and hang-gliding and other exciting things. WaltCip-(talk) 13:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wars, mass shootings, epidemics, and sometimes regime changes can be exciting. (Not to mention snooker.) -- Sca (talk) 15:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know many people who go to Wikipedia, let alone ITN, expecting bungee jumping and hang-gliding and other exciting things. WaltCip-(talk) 13:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I am just postulating on something that falls between DYK and ITN. I'm not going to step on consensus for this to post at ITN, just feel we need something more in between to better capture encyclopidea-interesting but news-trivial items. Masem (t) 13:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's a fair point. I think it'll be hard to create such an item on the Main Page because of the resistance of Wikipedians to make any major changes, especially to publicly visible pages. But I'd be behind your suggestion. WaltCip-(talk) 13:24, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- And be bored. -- Sca (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not to say this shouldn't be posted due to consensus, but I think news like this (not ground-shattering world news but a interesting tidbit that has recent news coverage and has a good article behind it) would really make for a better DYK or something inbetween ITN and DYK. --Masem (t) 12:15, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Canada and Denmark now border each other. If the US made a treaty that caused it to have a land border with another nation (like, say, Brazil), it would be all over the ITN in a heartbeat. I think that border changes are usually notable enough for ITN. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 16:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- In the significance debate, we haven't talked much about quality. There are 8 CNs and a lot more places with no refs. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Whilst I would love to support this in good faith, I cannot per the state of the article right now. 8 [citation needed] tags, so many places without referencing, and lots of cleanup needed. Once this is taken care of, I will strike this and change it to a support IGF. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 19:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support. It is rare for a territorial dispute to be resolved so peacefully. Showiecz (talk) 06:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality too many cn tags need to be fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hold until our articles are in agreement as to whether the settlement has gone into effect. See Talk:Hans Island § Does Canada currently border Greenland / the Danish Realm?. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 00:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Phil Bennett
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): independent.ie, walesonline.co.uk
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Seth Whales (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
SethWhales talk 13:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Well cited, looks fine.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 07:25, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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2022 Seytenga massacre
Blurb: In Séno Province, Burkina Faso, over 79 civilians are murdered by an armed group linked to the jihadist insurgency in the country. (Post)
News source(s): WaPo, Al Jazeera Libération
Credits:
- Nominated by Sheila1988 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Dunutubble (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Death toll possibly over 100, biggest massacre in BF since June 2021. Article requires expansion, but this is a very important event and deserves main-page coverage. Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso could be added to Ongoing if things continue like this. French version of article could be used to expand English version. An attempt to put the Madjoari massacre (50 dead) on the front page failed, apparently because such events are routine in west Africa, but if they are routine then why isn't it in Ongoing? Sheila1988 (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- The 2022 Seytenga massacre article is currently a stub with less than 200 words. Anything more to add to the prose? Can Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso, which is a much more developed article, be worked into an alternative ITN candidate? --PFHLai (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Roman Bunka
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SZ and others
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Munfarid1 (talk · give credit) and Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German world music player, guitarist and oud player recognised even in Egypt, - had just a stub article until now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- The wikibio currently has 370 words of readable prose and is therefore long enough to qualify. The prose carries footnotes where they are expected. Earwig found no likely violations. However, sourcing in the Discography section is incomplete. There are a handful of {cn} tags. Please add more REFs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 03:16, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Done CN commented out, since there are no entries in worldcat. Grimes2 (talk) 11:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for removing the glaring omissions. Now posting... --PFHLai (talk) 17:36, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Done CN commented out, since there are no entries in worldcat. Grimes2 (talk) 11:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
RD: Philip Baker Hall
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:
- Nominated by 2001:BB6:4E18:E358:BC73:A318:CF23:6431 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
2001:BB6:4E18:E358:BC73:A318:CF23:6431 22:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Please be reminded that the Filmography and Accolade sections need to be sourced. --PFHLai (talk) 10:26, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per PFHLai. Both Filmography and the Accolade sections MUST be cited in order for this to qualify for RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 23:06, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Article mostly sourced now. Only one subsection needs some additional sourcing. 2001:BB6:4E18:E358:BC73:A318:CF23:6431 (talk) 09:04, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- The article is now in worse shape, bare URLS, wrong sourcing and now the article has two (necessary) tags. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Article in bad shape in terms of sourcing. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - something having bare URLS is not really a reason to oppose an ITN, it's easily fixed, so I did. I am concerned that so much of the article is sourced to one item, and there are still a lot of uncited roles. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:23, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Bare URLS do become a problem when the article becomes tagged because of it. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Many entries in the Filmography section still need to be sourced. --PFHLai (talk) 10:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Added some links. Film section now fully sourced, I think. Will give the TV ones a go. Article is fully sourced right now apart from a few TV roles. If this gets fully sourced, can it still be listed or is it there a time limit? 2001:BB6:4E18:E358:DD02:C4FD:D7F0:9250 (talk) 11:10, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jim Ryan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, Chicago Tribune
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jarvishunt (talk · give credit) and Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Still some sourcing problems, but it's getting there. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 22:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I think I found sources for all of the statements with CN tags. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 01:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support No CN tags. Good enough. Grimes2 (talk) 10:50, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article is good, Alex-h (talk) 12:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Very weak support As AG, did he achieve anything more than a $9.1 billion settlement with the tobacco companies? I think it would be great to expand this subsection a bit more. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article could be worse, should be good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comments: Please add REFs for getting "endorsement of every major newspaper in the state" in his re-election. Also, the lead mentions that he was a professor, but there is no mention of this job in the rest of the wikibio. Please elaborate on this in the main body of the prose. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 12:59, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: I have sourced that statement, and the lead no longer mentions him being a professor. Article should be good to go. Support. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the footnote, Fakescientist8000. Thanks to User:WikiDan61, that sentence in the intro on his professorship is now its own paragraph in the main prose. Posting. --PFHLai (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
75th Tony Awards
Blurb: At the Tony Awards, The Lehman Trilogy wins Best Play, while A Strange Loop wins Best Musical. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The article includes information on the ceremony as well, so its beyond just tables of awards. Masem (t) 12:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - no body prose or critical commentary on the results. A paragraph or two would be useful. — Amakuru (talk) 13:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- There is body prose about the nomination process and the ceremony, and there is no expectation that there will be commentary about the awards or ceremony itself. We don't ask for that on, say, sporting events and to expect that for ceremonies is a double standard. --Masem (t) 15:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- We do expect prose summaries for sports events, which is why we've rejected many sports event nominations recently. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Which is already present in the article. Its not a play by play summary like for sports but its a broad summary of the overall ceremony. Masem (t) 15:44, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- We do expect prose summaries for sports events, which is why we've rejected many sports event nominations recently. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- There is body prose about the nomination process and the ceremony, and there is no expectation that there will be commentary about the awards or ceremony itself. We don't ask for that on, say, sporting events and to expect that for ceremonies is a double standard. --Masem (t) 15:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Amakuru, an expectation of some information/commentary on the results is needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support - The ITN criteria for updates and quality does not require commentary on results within award shows.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's nothing to do with specific ITN criteria, it's about whether the article has fundamental information in it, which is always an ITN issue. This one has no prose on who won the actual awards, which is fundamental, just like a write up of a sporting event is fundamental. Background info on the venue and the hosts is not sufficient, the major winners need to be noted. — Amakuru (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose We require a decent prose summary of the actual event for sporting nominations, the same applies here. Black Kite (talk) 20:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Which is located at the "Ceremony information" part of the article (listing presenters and featured performances). The article now also includes receptions and reviews. I don't know what else people are expecting of a summary of an awards presentation where nothing otherwise out of the ordinary happens (an exception being the Will Smith/Chris Rock mess from the recent Oscars). 100% agreed we need more than tables, but what to expect from something like the lower-key Tonys is not that high nor comparible to sporting events. --Masem (t) 00:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose nothing but tables really. People get all high and might about featured lists, well this isn't even to that standard and we want it to be front and centre at ITN? Nope. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support There is a decent amount of prose and as a summary of an awards presentation it is fine. I don't see anything fundamental missing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose According to the Guardian, "out of 34 eligible productions, 29 received nominations. That is clearly a world in which, as the Dodo said, “Everybody has won and all must have prizes". So this was indiscriminate promotion; like those trade shows in which gold medals are liberally distributed. And notice that the Guardian report doesn't even mention A Strange Loop. Instead it says that two other shows dominated. It's not our job to make sense of such confused hype because we're an encyclopedia not a newspaper and so shouldn't editorialise with OR. Let's wait for the verdict of history. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- First, the blurb is noting the awards that ITNR says are the ones to include in the blurb, so that's not vering from past. Second, the Tonys have always had a limited array of shows that are eligible (you can look at past ceremonies), due to the complexities of running stage productions in proper venues to qualify. But we recognize it as one of two top tier awards for theatre. So to argue it is self-promotional is not appropriate here, that would be disputing the basis of the ITNR item. --Masem (t) 12:11, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Feel free to nominate it for removal at ITNR. Interesting that you are advocating keeping the ITN section as stale as possible by voting against ITNR items. Nearly 70k views, so getting into that WP:TOP25 territory some are suggesting ITN should become as well! Oh the humanity. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Hilary Devey
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Pantodrugs (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Businesswoman and television presenter Pantodrugs (talk) 18:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support looks suitably detailed and referenced. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:13, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support looks ok (although minor issue with "annual revenues of £92 million"). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:01, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Place and date of birth are not sourced with WP:RS. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Agree, [10] is a self-published source, with no evidence of any oversight/verifiability. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- The obituary from The Guardian now seems to support place and date, so I will add. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Agree, [10] is a self-published source, with no evidence of any oversight/verifiability. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Place and date of birth are not sourced with WP:RS. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Google
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The Google AI language model LaMDA tells one of its engineers that it is self aware and can sense joy, sadness, and fear. Google places the engineer on leave pending an investigation. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian;New York Times; Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by A loose necktie (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- comment I don't really fully understand the significance of what happened, but a Google engineer being placed on leave is clearly not a news story. im not well versed on the subject but if we take this from the view that it is a scientific breakthrough, then I feel like there should be an article about it that is separate from the one of a google department that we should link to. The article as it stands right now isn't really fit for front page posting. 4iamking (talk) 06:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose seems like speculation on whether the claim is true or not- if it is verified by some proper channels, then maybe it could be posted. Someone being suspended from their job for making speculations is not ITN-worthy though. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
CommentOppose - I doubt we here at ITN possess the necessary qualifications to determine whether the claim of self-awareness has any veracity. This leaves us to judge whether the secondhand story is notable enough to post. Personally, I'm leaning towards no. I've certainly seen this story make the rounds on several Discord servers I'm in, mostly as a meme, but the blurb is inappropriate because it makes two suppositions: that LAmDA is telling the truth, and that the suspension of the engineer indicates an intent to cover up a massive development (reinforcing popular sentiments of "Google = Skynet"). Again, Wikipedia cannot, should not, and will not use its own voice to accentuate these incredible claims without appropriate confirmation from multiple reliable sources.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)- Oppose If we were to post this, it would be about Google's AI gaining sentience, nothing about the engineer's leave would be the news. The problem is that there is subsequently no collaborating evidence for this, and thus we have nothing to post on, so this is basically a non-starter of a story. --Masem (t) 12:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support It's in the news in respectable sources. Per the Turing test, it's not easy to prove self-awareness but this AI seems to be doing well compared to some of our more bot-like editors. See also Lena for a thought-provoking account of how these things might go in a possible future. It is written in the style of a Wikipedia article and has some interesting insights as to what might be done with compliant intelligences such as our volunteers... Andrew🐉(talk) 12:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- The Turing test does not prove self-awareness. It only tests whether or not a machine can produce output that it is indistinguishable from that of a human.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – When Google AI starts reproducing little AIs with thoughts and feelings of their own this topic will be ITN-worthy. – Sca (talk) 12:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Could we get Google AI to write new Wiki articles (well, ones that might appeal to 7-year-olds, anyway)? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:20, 13 June 2022 (UTC) p.s. I've been secretly dating Alexa for over a year now, and next year we intend to marry (if Uncle Jeff says it's ok).
- Oppose. No scientific evidence that the claim of sentience is true at all, the only corroboration comes from a primary source. — Amakuru (talk) 13:39, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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