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== 2022 Speakership Run == |
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I came to this page as a reader rather than an editor so just after some clarification in the article, if someone with knowledge can help. |
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I was aware that Pelosi had agreed to not run for Speaker in 2022 (term starting 2023) and the article lead supports that: ''She announced in January 2022 that she would seek reelection as a U.S. representative that year, though she had pledged in 2018 to not seek the speakership again.'' |
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The last sentence of the section lead of [[Nancy_Pelosi#Second_speakership_(2019-present)|Second speakership (2019–present)]] implies that she has announced her candidacy for the Speakership in 2023: ''In December 2021, Pelosi announced her candidacy for reelection in 2022.'' This is not reflected in the source, which only mentions her candidacy for re-election to congress and speculation that she might choose to run again for Speaker. |
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So my question is, has she announced candidacy for another Speakership term from 2023 or not and could the mentioned section be clarified on this point? I think it's likely the answer will be that the sentence is in reference to her congressional campaign and doesn't relate to being Speaker, but the way it's worded in that particular location in the article implies she has annouced a run for the Speakership in 2023. |
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RfC: How about we add this political timeline template?
{{Timeline of Nancy Pelosi's political career}} I have made a timeline highlighting the entire political career of Nancy Pelosi. I think we can add this template in this Article as users will find this template easier to read and interpret, rather than going through a number of paragraphs. See Template:Timeline of Nancy Pelosi's Political career. Thank you. CX Zoom (talk) 16:44, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
I am not sure it is easier to follow.Slatersteven (talk) 17:05, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- As someone who was not previously familiar with most of this, I think it is clearer than the article. I'd prefer it start at the top instead of the bottom, though. Loki (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
This is very impressive, and while it takes a couple of seconds to orient oneself, I think it is ultimately very useful, as someone only vaguely familiar with Pelosi's career. WhinyTheYounger (WtY)(talk, contribs)
- I like it. It conveys a lot information very effectively. I would put the earliest years at the top. I would suggest having the "US Rep from California", "CA-12", "CA-08", and "CA-05" boxes all varying shades of green, since the first is a summary of the other three. Similarly, the three committee positions could all be shades of a different colour, to group them together and differentiate from the congressional positions.--Trystan (talk) 15:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Trystan, I'll be working on the colours issue and fix it. However, it'll take some time as I intend to take a Wikibreak because I have my examinations approaching in early March, and I'm very much unprepared for it as of now. But, for years issue, I have no idea on how to make the earliest years appear at the top, as there are no such field in
{{Template:Graphical timeline}}
. Thanks for the suggestions. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 13:14, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Trystan, I'll be working on the colours issue and fix it. However, it'll take some time as I intend to take a Wikibreak because I have my examinations approaching in early March, and I'm very much unprepared for it as of now. But, for years issue, I have no idea on how to make the earliest years appear at the top, as there are no such field in
While I appreciate that it must have taken a lot of work to create and refine, I have to say that it does not appeal to me. My first response is that it's an accessibility nightmare, although I think all timelines (e.g., for band line-up changes) are themselves inaccessible, so some users will always have to rely on the text being provided in the article.
Even for me as a (mostly) sighted user, the effect is crowdedness. It looks a little broken, a bit misaligned, a little overcrowded. The green- and orange-colored links are certainly unexpected, and not at all reassuring. On the bright side, I learned by following an orange link that minority leaders (like Pelosi) still get votes for speaker even when the majority is clearly for somebody else (like Boehner).
I would prefer not to see these added to article pages. Maybe it's just too new a form (and I'm too old?), but they take time to parse, and seem not to add enough to my understanding. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 23:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose I appreciate the effort put into this, but it just isn't clear or easy to use. ~ HAL333 01:13, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- I think it seems useful. Possibly could use to be organized more clearly in some way, but I certainly like the idea. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, agree wit HAL. It's just not that useful and takes up a lot of space. All that info is already in her infobox. Eccekevin (talk) 23:38, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The information is already covered in her infobox.Sea Ane (talk) 16:59, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Strongly Oppose I'm sorry. Looks great, but it's redundant. GreenFrogsGoRibbit (talk) 22:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Wow, taking a look at this proves definitively that I am not a visual learner. I appreciate the effort, but I think it will confuse average readers and editors alike. KidAd • SPEAK 20:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm also sorry to vote against this since it looks like a lot of work went into it, but it's extremely confusing to me and I can't make head or tails out of some aspects of it. The varying widths of the different components are confusing and makes it appear that there's some meaning to the horizontal axis, which I don't think is the case (but honestly am not sure). The riot of colors is jarring; the relation, if any, of the 6 different shades of green is unclear and the colors are very ill-chosen for accessibility. The unexplained abbreviations CA-05, CA-08 and CA-12 crammed into the right side are confusing. The barrage of dates and abbreviations below the table in a rainbow of colors has unclear relevance to the table itself. Understanding the table seems to require the reader to scroll back and forth between the table itself and the seven footnotes far below the table. The whole layout looks awkward and ill-planned. CodeTalker (talk) 23:08, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
- Suggest leaving it out Invited by the bot. Good effort, but is not clear. Much is unexplained on there or takes a bunch of Sherlock Holmes work and putting info from three different places together to figure out. Took a while to figure out that on a 2D diagram, the 2nd axis has no definition, it just allows showing co-existence of different things at the same time. And the resultant shrinking of each means that the info can't fit on the chart and had to be moved to other locations. But thanks for your effort North8000 (talk) 11:35, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- (Summoned by bot) I'd recommend against this. I do appreciate the effort, but it's a little overwhelming visually. I do not fault the creator; I don't know that I could do better; but I don't think aids the casual reader. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:56, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Strongly support. This is a kickass visual presentation of complicated information, it's all backed up by sources: looking weird is no reason to keep it out of an article. In fact, I'd be in favor of adding stuff like this to more politicians' articles. The only gripe is that it seems quite wider than it needs to be (implying, as has been said, that there's a horizontal element to this rather than a bunch of vertical elements). jp×g 05:22, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- (Summoned by bot) Support at least in spirit. Even though there are some layout issues (due to being a vertical timeline) and accessibility issues (colours), to me this is much better than trying to parse information from the infobox and such. Of course the graph should not replace the infobox, rather than supplement it.I would suggest using horizontal graph, something similar to Gantt chart. That would solve the layout issues and we would not have to worry about colours. I am just afraid that we do not have a good graph template for this kind of visualisation. Politrukki (talk) 10:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Request to not close the RfC as I'll be working to fix the colors issue of the template as pointed out by some users. Thank you. CX Zoom (talk) 12:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- Confused, how do I preview it? I clicked on the template and couldn't see it) Would like to view before I weigh in on this RFC. EliteArcher88 (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Edit-suggestion for a new incident
This is a protected article, so I can't edit. However, I have a suggestion to improve the article.
It's all about Pelosi's new proposal.WikiGabber (talk) 02:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- We don't add fake news. Telegram is not a reliable source. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Telegram? That's weird, I thought the source was Telegraph, at least the website looked like that.WikiGabber (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- As you know perfectly well, the source was a fake page on telegra.ph. Stop with the hoaxing. Acroterion (talk) 02:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Telegram? That's weird, I thought the source was Telegraph, at least the website looked like that.WikiGabber (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Forename
Pelosi's name is listed as Annunciata D'Alesandro (same as her mother) in the 1940 US census and her age as one month (accurate as she was born in March 1940 and census was enumerated in April 1940). "Nancy" is a nickname but middle name Patricia is probably accurate.[1][2]
- Find a secondary source. Census records are primary sources, and subject to interpretation. See WP:NOR. Acroterion (talk) 00:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.ancestrylibrary.com/discoveryui-content/view/149541069:2442?tid=&pid=&queryId=c2859e29f187d4949032453c7f3a6778&_phsrc=lUZ202&_phstart=successSource
- ^ Annunciata D'Alesandro in the 1940 United States Federal Census View 1940 United States Federal Census Detail Source Discover Name: Annunciata D'Alesandro [Annuciata Alesandro] [Nancy D'Alesandro] Age: 1/12 [0] Estimated Birth Year: abt 1940 [abt 1940] Gender: Female Race: White Birthplace: Maryland Marital Status: Single Relation to Head of House: Daughter Home in 1940: Baltimore, Baltimore City, Maryland Map of Home in 1940: Baltimore, Baltimore City, Maryland Street: Albermarle [sic] Street House Number: 245 Sheet Number: 5A Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: None
"House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 3#House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:16, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
2022 Speakership Run
I came to this page as a reader rather than an editor so just after some clarification in the article, if someone with knowledge can help.
I was aware that Pelosi had agreed to not run for Speaker in 2022 (term starting 2023) and the article lead supports that: She announced in January 2022 that she would seek reelection as a U.S. representative that year, though she had pledged in 2018 to not seek the speakership again.
The last sentence of the section lead of Second speakership (2019–present) implies that she has announced her candidacy for the Speakership in 2023: In December 2021, Pelosi announced her candidacy for reelection in 2022. This is not reflected in the source, which only mentions her candidacy for re-election to congress and speculation that she might choose to run again for Speaker.
So my question is, has she announced candidacy for another Speakership term from 2023 or not and could the mentioned section be clarified on this point? I think it's likely the answer will be that the sentence is in reference to her congressional campaign and doesn't relate to being Speaker, but the way it's worded in that particular location in the article implies she has annouced a run for the Speakership in 2023.
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