Talk:Assassination of Shinzo Abe

Improvised shotgun?

Some editors are saying it was an improvised shotgun, should we update the article or is this non-credible? (https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1545249495398719488) Realgravity (talk) 05:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

We need a much better source than a tweet by some rando speculating about a photo. I think that reliable sources are in the midst of reporting on this. Wait. Cullen328 (talk) 05:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thanks. Realgravity (talk) 05:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

More links: https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/pluralphoto/20220708-OYT1I50091/, https://twitter.com/ayu3_BLUE/status/1545262768630087680, https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1545263293123727365. Not as a source, but as a piece of understanding. VScode fanboy (talk) 05:58, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Here is CNN article that shows a much clearer image of the firearm used. The visible electrical tape, wooden board, and pipe implies that this is an improvised, or at the very least very modified, firearm. https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/shinzo-abe-japan-pm-collapses-nara-07-08-22-intl-hnk/h_21d32edb151f22cca92ab6a881a05e95:Thecloudking 6:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Japanese sources ([1]) are calling it 「手製」, meaning "homemade". EvergreenFir (talk) 06:37, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Reactions section

Can we please avoid a Reactions section which consists of repetitive platitudes from various world leaders. Thanks. WWGB (talk) 06:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

A former leader of a G7 nation was just shot, and world leaders are reacting. What's unencyclopedic about mentioning that? Nythar (talk) 06:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Agree the section is irrelevant. No doubt heart felt, but it's repetitive and there are potentially 100s, even 1000s. An article is not a list of commentary. --Merbabu (talk) 06:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not against having a reactions section. But I'm not going to argue strongly in favor of one existing at this time, either, as most reactions are simply going to be statements condemning the attack, but if this changes then the section should be added back. However, if he's confirmed to have passed, then the official statements from government officials in Japan and around the world are of much more interest and such a section should be accessible to readers.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 06:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree pretty much entirely. If he dies, we should add it back. A reactions section exists in many articles about disasters and similar such events. Blippy1998 (talk) 06:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, the existence of stuff elsewhere is never a justification in itself for stuff here.--Merbabu (talk) 06:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

In my own opinion, I'd like for the comforting reactions from other world leaders to remain/be added back because it helps keep the situation "calm," in my opinion. That others are praying for the former prime minister's safety. Lostfan333 (talk) 06:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I didn't even see this talk page before removed the unencyclopedic section. Editors pretty much uniformly hate the flags, the sourcing to Twitter and other primary sources, and the quotefarm nature of these things. Abductive (reasoning) 07:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I always thought it was strange that a handful of editors take issues with flagicons in reactions sections. I wouldn't say opposition to them is uniformal; they're still standard practice. I certainly don't have an issue with them.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 07:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

They're garbage. Abductive (reasoning) 09:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

For what reason(s)? Protostrator Giovanni (talk) 20:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Enumerated above. Abductive (reasoning) 23:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Not all of them. Some random leftist Twitter users are celebrating his death. Didn't expect anything else once I saw, tbh. Feel free to ignore this, btw Jenkowelten (talk) 09:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

However, if you go on weibo, it's literally a cesspit of chinese nationalists celebrating his death like a victory and wanting to give donations to Tatsuya. It's really unnerving and digusting. Zekromu88 (talk) 14:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Is the section on the opinions of ""some"" Chinese social media users relevant enough to justify being published, especially when people celebrating his death can be found somewhere on every country's social media? It reeks of the English wiki using this assassination as an opportunity to spread anti-Chinese sentiment. I'm not going to delete it myself but someone needs to bring up the flagrantly increasing pro-Western bias recently being shown. (I just checked again and someone else removed it - thanks! Neutrality is important.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

• Please see the consensus to remove most reactions from this section in the thread, #World reactions to Abe's assassination Venkat TL (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Handgun or shotgun ?

According to this, The Nara Prefectural Police revealed that it was not a shotgun but a handgun that was used to kill Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. BlackShadowG (talk) 10:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@BlackShadowG It is being reported as a "home made gun" that "resembled a shot gun". Venkat TL (talk) 10:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@BlackShadowG: I was under the impression that it was a shotgun, but I did find sources for the pistol report. I guess that means we will need to remove the shotgun portion and add a note. Thank you for mentioning this. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Finally got the footnotes to work with references and in multiple locations. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

By the look of it it's essentially two electrically- detonated pipe bombs, except that one end is left open and plugged with some sort of a projectile mass, likely nuts or cut nails or some such. You can see the battery block and wires below. It has more in common with a matchlock and a suicide vest than with any firearm. --Sefus2331 (talk) 11:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Notwithstanding the possibility that it was electrically fired, it clearly is an improvised firearm, and visually it does resemble a sawn-off shotgun more than anything else. I think we should be wary of using the term "pistol," as that implies something that it clearly isn't. It also can't be described as being made of "pipe bombs," because it was clearly designed to fire projectiles, not explode. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Just a note that all sources say "homemade" or 「手製（てせい）」, not "improvised". EvergreenFir (talk) 15:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

It functionally means the same thing, but "improvised" is less potentially confusing. We don't yet know where the assailant actually made the weapon. Nick Cooper (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Edit request

More condolences: President and PM of Israel --Arseny1992 (talk) 15:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

What religious group?

The suspect said he shot him, not for his political beliefs, but for his connection to a religious group he didn't like. This is an important detail. Which religious group did the shooter object to? Was it Soka Gakkai? 152.130.15.2 (talk) 14:29, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

This is not stated within news reports, however with Abe's close ties with Christian groups it might be sooner or later we'll know what it'll be. Cheers, PenangLion (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I was readind Shinzo Abe and have not seen any mention of "close ties with Christian groups", what is the source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.222.194.248 (talk) 17:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

His party, the Liberal Democratic Party (Japan), is allied with Komeito, which is why I thought it might have something to do with Soka Gakkai. Soka Gakkai is viewed with suspicion by a sizeable percentage of the population of Japan. 152.130.15.2 (talk) 20:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

The Wiki article in its current version notes that the police have refused to give details of the group. Till the name is released, I suggest we should not speculate anything without a reliable source. Venkat TL (talk) 20:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

The religious group is highly likely to be the Unification Church. The relationship between the Abe family and the Unification Church is very famous in Japan, and the Unification Church is currently trending on Twitter in Japan. The Unification Church is a cult founded in South Korea and caused various social problems in Japan. They brainwashed Japanese believers to break up their families, and sold expensive ceramic pots on the pretext of breaking the curse that had been placed on the Japanese people, and drove many Japanese families into bankruptcy. According to several news sites, Yamagami resented his mother's bankruptcy after being brainwashed by a religious group. He stated that he killed Abe because he believed he was the main culprit in spreading the religion in Japan.[2][3][4] The news site does not identify the religious group as the Unification Church, but I think that is almost certain. Abe and his father, Shintaro, were conservative politicians in Japan and anti-communist since the Cold War era. The Unification Church is anti-communist and has formed a political group with the International Federation for Victory over Communism (Kokusai shokyo rengo, 国際勝共連合), which has supported Abe and his father. Although Abe has not publicly stated that he supports the Unification Church, there is no doubt that the Unification Church has supported him. I will add Yamagami's motive for the crime to the sentence. However, the news site does not identify it as the Unification Church, so I will write it as a religious group without identifying it as the Unification Church.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 05:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Can we use fair use photo for this Assassination?

I think the current photo is meaningless. It could be better if someone can upload fair use photo for this article. So it can show the accident processes and more valuable for this article. But I worry some user will make delete request. Wpcpey (talk) 16:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

For now we can't be sure. We'll try. Cheers, PenangLion (talk) 16:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I would say not, as it wouldn't significantly improve the quality of the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Accident photo is more valuable then a quiet road, since it is related to the significant accident. The current photo is useless.--Wpcpey (talk) 17:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, the relevant guidance would be WP:NFCI #8: Images with iconic status or historical importance (e.g. {{Non-free historic image}}). I think there is a chance we could add a photo that meets the guidelines, but I note they're rather strict. In particular, it says, Note that if the image is from a press or photo agency (e.g., AP or Getty Images) and is not itself the subject of critical commentary, it is assumed automatically to fail the "respect for commercial opportunity" test. Mz7 (talk) 18:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Some of the image from the citizen first. I think it can use.--Wpcpey (talk) 22:41, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Country flag for world leaders' reactions

Should we add flags before each country reactions? i.e= Japan:......... Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 17:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

No. ~ HAL333 18:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

they did anyway Great Mercian (talk) 18:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I removed them. Thank god for Regex EvergreenFir (talk) 18:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok but i think they are necessary? Great Mercian (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Why not? They are good for visual inference and should be re-added. We include them on other pages where there are country reactions so I see no reason why they shouldn't be, an example. Tweedle (talk) 18:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I also think we should add them. It helps to concentrate on the topic. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:37, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Consensus is generally against them (see MOS:FLAGS, specifically MOS:FLAGCRUFT). They do not add any value to the reader. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Please see the consensus to remove most reactions from this section in the thread, #World reactions to Abe's assassination Venkat TL (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

They are valuable to me, they add much value! Great Mercian (talk) 23:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Flags feels very important. I started going one by one and then eventually had to do a ⌘ + F to find the reaction of a particular country's head. TheAnonymousWikiEditor (talk) 04:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Say no to flagcruft. WWGB (talk) 04:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Should we alphabetize the reactions segment?

all the countries look so disjointed Great Mercian (talk) 18:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

sure EvergreenFir (talk) 18:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Please see the consensus to remove most reactions from this section in the thread, #World reactions to Abe's assassination Venkat TL (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Edit request

Proposal for the head: he is the 5th member of the Japanese Diet murdered, after Inejiro Asanuma, Hyōsuke Niwa, Shinjiro Yamamura and Kouki Ishii. (Taken from the Japanese wiki).

Do you mind putting your signature? Great Mercian (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

When are we gonna get a response from Spain?

Great Mercian (talk) 18:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Please see the consensus to remove most reactions from this section in the thread, #World reactions to Abe's assassination Venkat TL (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

World reactions to Abe's assassination

What form should the inevitable reactions take? A simple list of condoling nations with refs? A standalone article with the usual flags and predictable banalities? (Anything to keep the flaggies off this page ... WWGB (talk) 10:55, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@WWGB I suggest not adding any boilerplate condolence, neither the flags. Any noteworthy condolence should establish on the talk page why it should be added and seek consensus on the talk page. It should be added only then. Venkat TL (talk) 11:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@WWGB I suggest separating the reactions based on the continent where it originates, while separating a section of supranational entities. Currently, these are the states / organizations where their statements were added:

• Russia
• China
• the United Kingdom
• India
• France
• Bangladesh
• Malaysia
• Australia (former prime minister)
• the EU
• NATO

PenangLion (talk) 11:12, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Venkat TL. Predictable boilerplate condolences are not needed. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Changes were made, including the removal of the remarks from the former Australian prime minister. I believe currently the entire section only consists of detailed descriptions of reactions from major countries. PenangLion (talk) 12:28, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

And it's getting bigger than the incident about the assassination itself. Maybe a standalone article? KRtau16 (talk) 12:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea, considering that the entire section occupies more than half the length of the article. ZandrLacx (talk) 12:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I think such decisions can only be generally agreed when the main portion of the article, the details regarding the assassination itself must attain significant content. But for now, the reactions are the dominating chapter in the article. I suggest delaying this decision until the main part of the article gains enough content for a separate article to be made. PenangLion (talk) 13:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

And Ireland PM of Ireland 2A02:8084:20E4:5C00:C1E5:DFC2:379D:6274 (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

The section basically became a WP:QUOTEFARM, but without the flag clutter that usually appear in these kinds of article. Whole section basically could be summarized to "many countries expressed condolence"Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I think many users editing the section have forgotten that we're only including responses by major countries. Cleanups will be made. Cheers, PenangLion (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what Wikipedia considers a "major" country (that term seems very problematic), but the reactions section is indeed way too long. Funcrunch (talk) 16:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Hariboneagle927, way too many quotes. We should have a selected few countries, not every single country that sends condolences. We'd have to agree a list of countries, but every single country's quotes is way too much. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Yep, the problem is defining what a "major" country is. Like the Southeast Asian countries' responses arguably could be more relevant than reactions of some Balkan states. Maybe just include country reactions that goes beyond expressing condolence. Even the US reaction so far is just the standard condolence as well.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree. With so many messages remixing the same words (shocking, condemn, [terrible] murder, etc.) over and over, we can just summarize it to what Hariboneagle927 said. I would set the bar a bit lower for the Japanese reactions because they have more connection with him, which makes their voices stronger. ~~ lol1VNIO🎌 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hariboneagle927 Neighbouring countries, members of the G7, notable members of the G20, the EU, NATO, these names would be enough to be included in the list. PenangLion (talk) 05:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Call for action As expected, the reaction section has become a "Guest book" of sorts filled with comments of "Deeply shocked" and "Deeply saddened". None of that is encyclopedic. All of those need to be purged from this page. Venkat TL (talk) 18:19, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Action taken, pruning done. Venkat TL (talk) 19:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Reactions

This section is getting a bit bloated and is starting to dominate the article. Some reactions, especially those of major world powers are perfectly reasonable. But we don't need the reaction of the Prime Minister of East Ruritania. I would encourage some pruning here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Pruning is preferable to splitting. Let's not have another "reactions of" content farm. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

So by pruning you mean removing some? Great Mercian (talk) 18:55, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Ad Orientem (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

So which ones, actually probably a better question is which one's do we keep. if we eventually have to split this article we should probably have the pruned ones stored somewhere so they can be used again. Great Mercian (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Great Mercian All of them are stored in the page history. Copy its link to the talk page or anywhere you link and save it till eternity. All of them are routine boilerplate messages of shock and sadness. almost none encyclopedic. Venkat TL (talk) 19:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

There is a short section listing countries that have sent condolences etc with a ref near the top under "International." That's where most of these belong. The only international reactions that would justify a brief quote are the major powers and extremely well known figures like the pope if he has reacted. We can either can or condense 90% of these lists. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem although I strongly agree and have said the same in #World reactions to Abe's assassination in support of pruning, The pruning has to be indiscriminate with regards to major/minor powers. If PM of Ruritania had something worth notable for people 10 years down the line, that should be kept and if POTUS said something that is boilerplate, I would prefer we purge POTUS line and keep Ruritania. Venkat TL (talk) 19:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

So far, I haven't read a reaction that isn't boilerplate. Can we just blank the section? Ad Orientem (talk) 19:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree. No one will be like, "huh why didn't this encyclopedia article about this assassination leave out the platitudes and condolences from world leaders? I want to read all 100+" EvergreenFir (talk) 19:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Following this talk page discussion, boilerplate messages of "deep shock" "deep sadness" and "fond memories" have been removed. I have only left 4-5 quotes that have some substance and action (such as national mourning) other than deep shock and sadness that is covered in the first line that says everyone sent condolence. If someone believes I have purged more than necessary or less than necessary, please start threads below. The version after my pruning is at 20:14, 8 July 2022. Venkat TL (talk) 20:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Like -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:41, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

TIL New Zealand and Ireland are major powers but China isn't. Good work on getting your political biases get into you even in an article about the assassination of a political leader. Screw the condolences made by neighboring Asian countries (e.g. South Korea, Singapore, Thailand, etc) who are more associated with Japanese geopolitics, let's rather keep Arden's comparison of Abe's assassination with her cat. 114.162.255.128 (talk) 20:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Comment This IP is a proxy. ~~ lol1VNIO🎌 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL For me personally the only country worthy of mention among all ASEAN countries would probably be either Singapore or Indonesia. Neighbouring states should be included, i.e. China, Russia, Taiwan, South Korea and the United States. Important supranational organisations includes, i.e. the European Union, NATO, and the United Nations. European nations would probably be limited to France, the United Kingdom, Germany and Italy, while we can put several middle eastern / west Asian countries (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, India). The same idea goes for African and South American countries. The idea for a map as stated by @KRtau16 can be a good idea if implemented correctly. Reminded by the proxy though, we can't put Arden's comment about comparisons with her cat in a specific way as much as a vague overview of what the Chinese or Koreans said, right? PenangLion (talk) 04:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

A suggestion. How about a map depicting the countries that have issued statements about the assassination? Will that satisfy other editors who wants to put their countries' reaction? KRtau16 (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Dont you think reactions from asean nations should also be added since they are much more closer geographically to japan? CrystallizedSyrup (talk) 01:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Only if they're given as part of a section on the aftermath, together with the conviction or acquittal of the individual who has been arrested and a discussion of any long-term effects of the assassination. Reactions from other world leaders are generally minor and shouldn't be mentioned unless they're seen as important by later writers. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 03:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@CrystallizedSyrup We can't add all of them. Even for ASEAN certain countries must take the priority than others, or else we'll have 13 similar statements resembling a religious spell of continuing madness. PenangLion (talk) 04:56, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@WWGB Your edit on Russia and Indonesia is bold, but maybe too much. Indonesia? Perhaps, with such repetitive statements. But removing Russia, a neighboring country who served many disputes with Japan politically is too far for me personally. Russia must get a mention, at least, with his labeling of Abe as a "patriot of Japanese interests" possibly serving some unique points for it to be included? PenangLion (talk) 05:09, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Speaking about domestic reactions, I was a bit surprised to learn that in the Chinese Wikipedia, there was a significant portion dedicated towards the Emperor's own response towards the event. However, the source is in Japanese. Do we have any editors who can maybe add a few lines regarding the Emperor's response to this incident? PenangLion (talk) 05:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Why reaction of many world leaders are removed

Germany prime minister? https://www.fr.de/politik/shinzo-abe-attentat-japanischer-ex-regierungschef-lebensgefaehrlich-verletzt-japan-zr-91655209.html ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.22.59.77 (talk) 23:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Some editors have removed the reactions of many world leaders in the reaction section of the page. Japan has never been specific to major powers when it comes to international relations. Leaders from all over the world have shown their concerns over the death of Mr. Shinzo Abe. So, in my opinion, there must be consensus on this, whether the reactions should be there on the same page or we have to create a separate page for reactions. Mehmood.Husain (talk) 20:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mehmood.Husain Please see the consensus to remove most reactions from this section in the thread, #World reactions to Abe's assassination. There is nothing encyclopedic in those statements lifted from Twitter. If someone wishes to read what their favourite leader has said, they should check his Social media and news site. WP:NOTNEWS applies. Venkat TL (talk) 20:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Seriously? There are no rules against having a long list of world leader's reactions. Your opinion is simply your personal preference. There has been no "consensus" reached to remove most of the reactions. Please don't revert war with people who want to add their country's reaction to the articles. There's nothing wrong with having a long article. I don't get the urge by some Wikipedia editors to revert so much text from articles. Leave people alone. 152.130.15.2 (talk) 21:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

You are free to disagree with me, but in the section #World reactions to Abe's assassination I see at least 15 different users, voicing concern on the length of the reaction section and suggesting a pruning. You are free to propose below if you feel a non-boilerplate quote with substance has been left out. This page should not be turned into a facebook wall with 180+ comments of deep sadness and shock. Venkat TL (talk) 21:17, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Sincere question: Is there a Wikipedia guideline on what constitutes a "major power" for this purpose? Or perhaps someone can link other related articles with reaction sections to compare? Funcrunch (talk) 21:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Partially answering my own question, WP:REACTIONS is an essay (not guideline) regarding standalone reaction articles, with a list of examples. Funcrunch (talk) 21:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Regardless of whether this section is too long, I think South Korea should at least be added. @Venkat TL: Feel free to disagree with me, but adding South Korea, global economic power and a country right next to Japan seems reasonable. I will revert your decision unless consensus finds otherwise.--Takipoint123 (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Regardless of whether this section is too long, I think China should at least be added. Feel free to disagree with me, but adding China, global economic power and a country right next to Japan seems reasonable. I will revert your decision unless consensus finds otherwise. --Toto11zi (talk) 22:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Toto11zi: I appreciate the comment but try not to copy and paste another person's comment. Also China isn't right next to Japan. Takipoint123 (talk) 22:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Both China and South Korea are right next to Japan, all neighbors, all East Asians. Source: Google "China and Japan are too enormous and influential nations located in Eastern Asia. These two nations are almost always confused because of their similar culture and people, and they also happen to be right next to each other" -- Toto11zi (talk) 23:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Toto11zi: Geographically speaking, they are neighbors but China is not right next to Japan. And also, you didn't address my main concern of copy and pasting my comment. Takipoint123 (talk) 00:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Same point. Source: "China is the mother of Japan's culture. It is the big neighbor country and big mainland mass right next to Japan." -- By United States. Congress. House. Foreign Affairs -- Toto11zi (talk) 00:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Can we make a "Reactions to the Assassination of Shinzo Abe" article?

please? Great Mercian (talk) 23:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

that sounds like Wikipedia cruft. 63.155.58.228 (talk) 01:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

200 lines of "Leader X of Country Y expresses condolences does not seem very encyclopedic. Zaathras (talk) 01:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Please don't. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Why Ireland is added to the reactions but geographically relevant nations are not added?

Doesnt it make more sense that geographically relevant nations such as Taiwan, Malaysia, and Indonesia are added instead of Ireland. If the argument is that they are not relevant, Shouldnt we add nations that the very least are a member of the G20? CrystallizedSyrup (talk) 01:40, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2022 (2)

El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele and the Salvadoran people expresses his condolences on Twitter and expressed strong relations with Abe 72.181.216.175 (talk) 03:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done. What is remarkable about Bukele's comment that warrants inclusion? WWGB (talk) 04:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Was he shot once or twice?

I think it’s something we should keep an eye on. Video circulating on social media seems to show him unaffected by the first discharge and pausing and turning towards the attacker, then falling immediately after the second shot. I know he had multiple wounds, but if this really was a “shotgun” type weapon (reports are unclear), it may have fired multiple projectiles with each discharge. Not saying there is enough to change the description now, but the details of the incident may become more precise if the police make further statements. SS451 (talk) 04:31, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

NPR said earlier the first shot missed. The second one struck him. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Suspect “retired” from the JMSDF?

Extremely petty concern, but the article states the suspect “retired” from the JMSDF after 3 years of service? I know of no military (much less any job) that one could “retire” from after 3 years. Military medical retirements are possible early-on in one’s career. Anyone have any insight here? I’m working off my first-hand knowledge of the U.S. military and second-hand knowledge of various European militaries… perhaps things are different in Japan? Or perhaps this is just an issue with the translation? I am changing the term to “separated” (as when one retires, one also “separates,” but it also does not inherently imply retirement, either) to be a bit more general. Thoughts? MWFwiki (talk) 04:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

He is a "fixed-term employee"(任期制自衛官) of JMSDF, which is a three-year term, although I am not sure how this is officially translated into English. They usually serve one to two terms, after which they receive a bonus and retire. This is an article about fixed-term employee of the Japanese Ministry of Defense. --Sugarman (talk) 05:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)