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:::So you think the '''ɡ̆''' symbol for [[voiced velar tap]] should be included in the table even though it is not an IPA symbol and therefore links to the [[extra-shortness]] article instead of the "voiced velar tap" article? And just so it's mentioned, because this is not an IPA symbol, there is no audio in the {{tl|IPA soundbox/cell}} template for this sound. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span>]]''''' , [[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]] [[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r there</sup>]] <small>17:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)</small> |
:::So you think the '''ɡ̆''' symbol for [[voiced velar tap]] should be included in the table even though it is not an IPA symbol and therefore links to the [[extra-shortness]] article instead of the "voiced velar tap" article? And just so it's mentioned, because this is not an IPA symbol, there is no audio in the {{tl|IPA soundbox/cell}} template for this sound. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span>]]''''' , [[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]] [[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r there</sup>]] <small>17:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)</small> |
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::::If you checked some of the other sounds listed on the chart, you would notice many of these “non-IPA symbols” included in the chart, e.g. the previously mentioned uvular tap / flap, have no audio in their articles. Also, the article [[tap and flap consonants#Types of taps and flaps|tap and flap consonants]] mentions the sound in a chart as the only representation of a velar central oral tap / flap, a sound reported in Dàgáárè (source: https://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/005110/current.pdf?_s=XH49PPWYJlnZ9LED) and the [[Kamviri dialect]] as an intervocalic allophone of [g]. This same article states “If other flaps are found, the breve diacritic could be used to represent them, but would more properly be combined with the symbol for the corresponding voiced stop. A palatal or uvular tap or flap, which unlike a velar tap is believed to be articulatorily possible, could be represented this way (by *[ɟ̆, ɢ̆~ʀ̆]).” However as it states, a velar tap is believed to be articulatorily impossible. But the ğ symbol does follow what it says, the breve diacritic (for extra-short) would most properly be combined with the symbol for the corresponding voiced stop ([g], the voiced velar stop) However, the IPA suggests usage of the breve over trills, but not even some of the other taps / flaps in the chart follow that, instead using a breve over a stop. [[User:SlimyGecko7|SlimyGecko7]] ([[User talk:SlimyGecko7|talk]]) 19:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC) |
::::If you checked some of the other sounds listed on the chart, you would notice many of these “non-IPA symbols” included in the chart, e.g. the previously mentioned uvular tap / flap, have no audio in their articles. Also, the article [[tap and flap consonants#Types of taps and flaps|tap and flap consonants]] mentions the sound in a chart as the only representation of a velar central oral tap / flap, a sound reported in Dàgáárè (source: https://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/005110/current.pdf?_s=XH49PPWYJlnZ9LED) and the [[Kamviri dialect]] as an intervocalic allophone of [g]. This same article states “If other flaps are found, the breve diacritic could be used to represent them, but would more properly be combined with the symbol for the corresponding voiced stop. A palatal or uvular tap or flap, which unlike a velar tap is believed to be articulatorily possible, could be represented this way (by *[ɟ̆, ɢ̆~ʀ̆]).” However as it states, a velar tap is believed to be articulatorily impossible. But the ğ symbol does follow what it says, the breve diacritic (for extra-short) would most properly be combined with the symbol for the corresponding voiced stop ([g], the voiced velar stop) However, the IPA suggests usage of the breve over trills, but not even some of the other taps / flaps in the chart follow that, instead using a breve over a stop. [[User:SlimyGecko7|SlimyGecko7]] ([[User talk:SlimyGecko7|talk]]) 19:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{Done}}. It's marked impossible on the IPA chart, but it makes sense for this template, which is for navigation, to include it as long as the article about it exists. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 20:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Add "ʈɻ̊˔" and "ɖɻ˔" to "Retroflex non-sibilant fricatives" AquaticCitrus2035 (talk) 02:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Not done. We only list sounds about which articles exist. Nardog (talk) 03:57, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
What criteria are used for deciding which symbols not on the official chart appear here? They have to have their own distinct articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewmorrone1 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
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Cite literature? These consonants don't appear on the chart, and students have been more confused by a dot below than a ring on top. The chart does say a ring on top means the same thing, but does not have a combining dot below. Matthewmorrone1 (talk) 18:07, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
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Add "t̪" and "d̪" to "dental plosives" QuakDucc (talk) 16:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Not done: We only list sounds about which articles exist. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:01, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
extIPA
extIPA should be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.132.165 (talk) 21:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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Request: change Postalveolar to Palatoalveolar
Reason: Postalveolar consonant as the heading is inaccurate, since this category also includes Retroflex consonants and Alveolo-palatal consonants that are shown in the following two columns. Gu0427 (talk) 02:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: Postalveolar is the term used by the International Phonetic Association to define ⟨ʃ, ʒ⟩. See also IPA Principles. Nardog (talk) 04:30, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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Add voiceless epiglottal affricate (ʡʜ) to the chart on the on the left side of the box containing ʡʢ. SlimyGecko7 (talk) 15:16, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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Add the voiced velar tap ([ɡ̆]) to the box right beneath the approximant ([ɰ]). Doctor Zoath (talk) 22:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: see the sandbox to find that since [ɡ̆] is not an IPA symbol, the link is to the Extra-shortness article about the breve, rather than to the correct article, Voiced velar tap. Placing the [ɡ̆] in the table with an incorrect link would be confusing to readers. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 00:38, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- The same usage of the extra-short diacritic over stops is used for the uvular and pharyngeal taps / flaps so should they be removed for having the wrong link? The extra-shortness article also says that the diacritic is sometimes used for any flap consonants without IPA symbols because a flap is in effect a very brief stop. And above in an earlier thread in 2019, it says “We only list sounds about which articles exist.” Based on the chart currently in use, it doesn’t seem like that has changed. SlimyGecko7 (talk) 17:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- So you think the ɡ̆ symbol for voiced velar tap should be included in the table even though it is not an IPA symbol and therefore links to the extra-shortness article instead of the "voiced velar tap" article? And just so it's mentioned, because this is not an IPA symbol, there is no audio in the {{IPA soundbox/cell}} template for this sound. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 17:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you checked some of the other sounds listed on the chart, you would notice many of these “non-IPA symbols” included in the chart, e.g. the previously mentioned uvular tap / flap, have no audio in their articles. Also, the article tap and flap consonants mentions the sound in a chart as the only representation of a velar central oral tap / flap, a sound reported in Dàgáárè (source: https://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/005110/current.pdf?_s=XH49PPWYJlnZ9LED) and the Kamviri dialect as an intervocalic allophone of [g]. This same article states “If other flaps are found, the breve diacritic could be used to represent them, but would more properly be combined with the symbol for the corresponding voiced stop. A palatal or uvular tap or flap, which unlike a velar tap is believed to be articulatorily possible, could be represented this way (by *[ɟ̆, ɢ̆~ʀ̆]).” However as it states, a velar tap is believed to be articulatorily impossible. But the ğ symbol does follow what it says, the breve diacritic (for extra-short) would most properly be combined with the symbol for the corresponding voiced stop ([g], the voiced velar stop) However, the IPA suggests usage of the breve over trills, but not even some of the other taps / flaps in the chart follow that, instead using a breve over a stop. SlimyGecko7 (talk) 19:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- So you think the ɡ̆ symbol for voiced velar tap should be included in the table even though it is not an IPA symbol and therefore links to the extra-shortness article instead of the "voiced velar tap" article? And just so it's mentioned, because this is not an IPA symbol, there is no audio in the {{IPA soundbox/cell}} template for this sound. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 17:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- The same usage of the extra-short diacritic over stops is used for the uvular and pharyngeal taps / flaps so should they be removed for having the wrong link? The extra-shortness article also says that the diacritic is sometimes used for any flap consonants without IPA symbols because a flap is in effect a very brief stop. And above in an earlier thread in 2019, it says “We only list sounds about which articles exist.” Based on the chart currently in use, it doesn’t seem like that has changed. SlimyGecko7 (talk) 17:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Done. It's marked impossible on the IPA chart, but it makes sense for this template, which is for navigation, to include it as long as the article about it exists. Nardog (talk) 20:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)