Talk:GoDaddy/Archive 1

Go Daddy and the Wikimedia Foundation

Go Daddy has provided domain registrations for thousands of sites, so there is nothing special about the Wikimedia Foundation. The fact that this article is part of Wikipedia is not a valid reason: see Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. Fredrik | talk 16:42, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Spam Policies

While I understand what is being presented, I don't think it's written in as neutral language as possible. Ardenn 00:37, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Then correct it instead of erasing it.. Do you work for Godaddy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.200.155.43 (talk • contribs)

No, I don't work for them, but there's nothing to correct. You also have to cite sources for that addition which could be inflamatory. That section already covers the anti-spam policies well, and is cited. Ardenn 19:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Clearly there is an extreme bias in support of godaddy on this site, I would suspect this page has been infiltrated by employees of godaddy who will edit out any statement which shows the company in a bad light. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.200.155.43 (talk • contribs)

Yes, that does happen, and I treat them the same way. If they cannot back it up with sources, it gets removed. If you think the article is a bit too positive, feel free to give it a re-write so it's more neutral. While I don't work for the company, I'll admit to being a customer of theirs. Although the Wikimedia Foundation is also a customer of theirs. Ardenn 19:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The original link posted regarding Godaddy's anti-spam policies seems to be expired. Does anyone have a link to Godaddy's actual anti-spam policy? I checked their website, but couldn't find it. I googled it, and found a blog thread about complaints about Godaddy's spam policies, which I added as a citation. C3po 14:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I found Godaddy's anti-spam policy, and inluded it as a citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by C3po (talk • contribs) 15:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Add some updates to this page - Godaddy

I attempted to makes some changes, however the edits were taken out. I am new to editing and did not understand the whole process. So, I would like to add the following:

1) The legal name has changed from GoDaddy Software Inc. to GoDadddy.com. 2)Ed Denison Business Leader of the Year, awarded to Bob Parsons at the Arizona Governor's 2005 Innovation Celebration 3)Named 2004 Arizona Hot Growth Company in 2004. 4)As of March 1, 2006 according to Name Intelligence, Inc., Go Daddy is ranked #1 amongst all Net registrars in new domain registrations.

Please let me know if these changes meet approval.

Thanks, Lisa Ann Parsons

Wikipedia doesn't use legal names, we use the name that the company is most often reffered to by. See also WP:AUTO. Ardenn 19:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

GoDaddy is commonly known as godaddy.com, not GoDaddy Software. If there is no other problems with the above changes then I will make the edits.

Thanks, Lisa Ann Parsons

Pehaps we can compermise and just call it Go Daddy? Ardenn 23:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Agree. I will make the changes. Thanks. Lisa Ann

This Page Reads Like a Commercial

The content looks like it's been copied from a GoDaddy advertisement. The entire structure of the page and the headings used - "Awards", "Major Player in IT", "Advertisements" are not neutral in nature. I'll change the language and the headings where I can. Would appreciate help. C3po

I would like to change a mistake and add a comment in the 2006 Super Bowl advertisement section.

1) There were 14 edited versions, not 15 as stated currently. Check the link (13 versions rejected) 14 accepted. 2) I would like to add a comment about the term 'Godaddy-esque.', according to Bob Parsons, it has become a descriptive term of sorts, coined to describe the racy and edgy advertisements that have become its trademark and have been used by other companies as in the case of Carl's Jr.'s Paris Hilton car wash commercial. "GoDaddy-Esque means it will be fun, edgy and just a touch inappropriate," Bob Parsons, founder and president of Go Daddy, said in a statement.

Comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lam395 (talk • contribs)

Sounds fine. Ardenn 00:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

This page does not adher to the Neutral Point of View policy. See comments above. The page does read like a GoDaddy advertisement. It would need major structural and language changes to be considered a "Good Article" about the company.

Someone (was it you, Ardenn?) removed the NPOV tag and nominated the article as a Wikipedia "Good Article". Maybe we can change the page and then renominate it. Check the wikipedia entries for "Google" or "GM". They are factual and presented from a neutral standpoint. This page doesn't fit that definition. A picture of the model they use in their commercial doesn't provide a neutral image of the company, for instance. The general tone should be toned down, and the titles changed as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by C3po (talk • contribs)

Yes, that was me. Articles cannot remain tagged NPOV forever. The tagger actually has to put in some effort towards making it neutral in their view. Ardenn 15:16, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I made some changes to the language used, and I'll make some more and try and get the page in shape. Would appreciate help, though! C3po 10:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Citations Required for Awards

No citations have been mentioned for any of the several awards listed. Can anyone add the proper citations to complete this section? I'll leave the text on the page for a while so that citations can be added. If proper citations for the awards aren't found, I'll move these to the Talk Page. When the citations have been added, they can be moved back. C3po 11:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

They're cited now. Most of them can be found on the bottom of Go Daddy's own website. Ardenn 04:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ardenn, thanks for adding the citation. It might be useful to have a third-party citation for the awards. I checked the BizAz page for the Hot Growth Company Award 2004. They've listed 10 companies, but GoDaddy wasn't on there. Am I missing something? Here's the link: http://www.bizaz.com/features/articles.cms/itemid=hot_growth_nd04 C3po 12:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:CITE allows for it to be cited from their own website, and I'm sure if it wasn't true, it wouldn't be listed or they'd be sued. I had that problem with a few of the awards, where some of them simply didn't list the year Go Daddy had won, so they weren't listed. I don't know what is up with that. Ardenn 15:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

NPOV dispute

So what's going on with the NPOV dispute? Ardenn 04:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

OpenBSD

This is partially a reminder for me and partially a suggestion for someone who's not as lazy as I am. The article may do well to mention the ten thousand dollars donated to assist the development of OpenSSH, via a donation to OpenBSD. Janizary 03:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Good idea, be sure to cite sources. Ardenn 03:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA (2nd)

Overall, the article has several structure problems. Some of them were mentioned in the peer reveiew, but there's also others:

• First off, the detail about the commercials (which are the most known thing about the company) is extremely scanty. Give more information about the commercials themselves, the reactions, the and avoid the weasel words currently there. Also, make sure the article is written in the past tense: "Monday's RAW" isn't helpful, as the reader cannot know whether whether the Monday was the day after the Super Bowl or this Monday.
• Add company data. The infobox is incomplete, for beginners.

Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 04:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Where's 1&1?

Why is there no article on 1&1? After all, they are #2 for registered domains (just surpassed by GoDaddy), and one of the biggest hosts around. Just because they don't have semi-pornographic commercials doesn't mean they don't matter. I would create the article, but I don't feel qualified to do so, so I'm just gonna gripe. Mazin07 ^(C)/_(T) 19:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, 1&1 is a webhost. They and their parent company use Schlund.de, or schlund.info if you do a WHOIS search. There isn't very much about them out there, so writing an article on them is next to impossible because it can't be verified. Ardenn 19:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

According to RegistrarStats, Network Solutions is still #2. See also List of top ranking domain registrars. Schlund is #7. Ardenn 20:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

That's not what Netcraft says, I believe, last time I checked. It was pretty much 1&1 and GoDaddy vying for 1st. Mazin07 ^(C)/_(T) 01:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps that means for WEBHOSTING since 1&1 is not a registar. Ardenn 02:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

By all means, research it, write the article, verify and cite your sources. It should hold up. Ardenn 02:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

schlund.de is part of the 1 & 1 group. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.239.129.42 (talk) 00:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Underpricing Category

This section is grossly inaccurate and incomplete. I have removed it. Not only does it not provide examples of GoDaddy campaigns that have provided domains at less than cost, it cites ICANN as the provider of domains, which it is not. VeriSign sets the pricing on .com and .net domain names, not ICANN. Also, many companies other than GoDaddy provide domains for free with hosting packages, and this is seen as a common practice. 69.195.18.10 05:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Blatant Attempts by GoDaddy to edit article in their favor

I am assuming a GoDaddy employee (68.2.219.20) [1] in Scottsdale made the edits dated September 1. I have undone the changes. Shame. Jasonid 10:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed sources and some claims

I've removed a number of outdated and unreliable sources (such as blogs), as well as self-promotional material (from the subject themselves). Generally citations should be to verifiable published works which have some level of oversight, which should also come from sources outside the article's subject. Look for magazine or news articles which make the claims that are being presented. --Leflyman^Talk 21:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Harassment Policies

I have entensive documentation regarding GoDaddy's lack of enforcement of ToS violations against Rogueradiolive. This went all the way up to President Bob's office, through the press office, etc. How do I make this verifiable? Do I need to post the supporting material to my blog? I have not done so, because it would result in further harassment from Jack Idema and his fan club. I believe the last GoDaddy employee I discussed the matter with was Ben Butler, 480-505-8816. I have had discusssions about the situation with four police departments and the FBI. GoDaddy thinks that it is the FBI's job to interpret their ToS for them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pleasantville (talk • contribs) 15:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC). Pleasantville 21:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Kathryn Cramer (Kathryn.Cramer@gmail.com)

I have restored the deletion of the Harassment Policy section with added documentation. It was deleted by Leflyman as making "specious claims." The claims are not specious. I have added a link to the photo in question (which I would prefer not to have had to do). I have linked to a copy of Idema's US criminal record. I have linked to a news story detailing what he's in prison for in Afghanistan. (Most of this info is in Idema's own WIkipedia entry.) Pleasantville 21:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Kathryn Cramer

• Ms. Cramer, please do not take this the wrong way, but your personal experiences and blog are simply not acceptable as material to be included on Wikipedia. The section you added fails the core policies of No Original Research and Neutral Point of View. Continuing to re-add the content will likely result in a block. A link to a news article about the arrest of an individual does not demonstrate any connection to GoDaddy. If you can find published sources (ala news sites) which discuss the matter you wish to include, then it can be cited. Please understand that my removal of such content is not a slight against you. Regards, --Leflyman^Talk 21:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

"Go Daddy Spam and Abuse Dept." to me Hide options 12/18/06 From: Go Daddy Spam and Abuse Dept. <abuse@godaddy.com> Mailed-By: godaddy.com To: Kathryn Cramer <kathryn.cramer@gmail.com> Date: Dec 18, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: RE: Abuse complaint: Rogueradiolive.com & Superpatriots.us Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Add sender to Contacts list | Delete this message | Report phishing | Show original | Message text garbled? Dear Kathryn Cramer,

Thank you for contacting Go Daddy's Spam and Abuse Department. As a hosting provider, we cannot be expected to judge the alleged illegal activities you have mentioned. However, we are more than happy to quickly comply with any court-issued order, or official request by law enforcement (whose burden it is to determine the existence of illegal activities). We regularly work with courts and law enforcement from the local to the international level. As a result, we would recommend you seek an injunction from a court as the most efficient way to handle this situation. If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Sincerely, Spam and Abuse Department GoDaddy.com

It is FACT.

How much proof do I need to provide? Do I need to get a news story written so it can be cited? This is Wiki9pedia's official policy. Their ToS are much more expansive than prohibiting actual illaglities and they DON'T ENFORCE THEM except as compelled by law. Call Ben Butler at GoDaddy. He'll tell you all about it.

• Hi again: As I noted above, your personal experiences are not acceptable as sources here. It doesn't matter how many emails you might have or whom you spoke with. Please take a look at the policies I pointed out above. I hope you understand that Wikipedia is intended to be a neutral, accurate encyclopedia -- and thus is not the place to air your grievances about GoDaddy or how they handle your situation. That's what your blog is for. Regards, --Leflyman^Talk 22:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

proof is in the pudding. not even 4 conversations with law enforcment or the FBI or your complaint against Cafasso warranted an indictment against GoDaddy or Cafasso. FULL DISCLOSURE is tantamount to accuracy. signed christine dolan february 6, 11:16pm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.18.233 (talk • contribs)

See also the original draft of the Wikipedia article on Cyberstalking, which singled out Go Daddy for dicussion:

Use the Double Level Protection of Go Daddy

Privacy advocates and stalking researchers are noticing an alarming spike in the number of abusive domains registered through domain registrar Go Daddy Software Inc. and protected through the privacy services of Go Daddy subsidiary Domains by Proxy. Domains by Proxy subsititutes its own corporate name, contact, and address information for the name, contact, and address information of the domain's true owner. Certified mail to the General Manager's Office of Domains by Proxy will trigger an arbitration, and Domains by Proxy will rescind its privacy services if the owner of the abusive domain does not comply with instructions to contact the complainant by a deadline. However, the rescinding of the proxy data will almost always reveal fraudulent data underneath.

Extensive research revealed that Go Daddy Software Inc, which remains the registrar of the domain and curator of the fraudulent domain data, does not reply to complaints delievered through abuse@godaddy.com. Go Daddy customer service representatives verified that there are no telephone menu items for abuse or general correspondence (only for new sales and existing customers), and abuse@godaddy.com remains the only company-recognized mechanism for addressing issues of abuse.

Extensive research by private contractors revealed that the name of the individual listed as the owner of the domains is an alias and that, shortly after a complaint, the address listed in the domain data changed from a post office box in Tampa Florida to a post office box in Grover Beach, California.

Privacy advocates admonish against phoning the number in the abusive domain data to verify accuracy. The defamed complainant in this case did just that. The cyberstalker's caller ID captured the source of the incoming call, and reality was turned on its head when the cyberstalker passed off evidence of the phone call as "cyberstalking" in messages spamming multiple news groups.

Researchers also characterized ICANN as a straw authority, reporting statements from representatives of ICANN's Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC) that ICANN has no power to enforce accurate domain data despite advertising a form through which complainants can report fraudulent domain data.

(Regarding Ms. Dolan's interjection, I find it hard to believe that she is as familiar with the situation to which I refer as she pretends to be, since it concerned harassment of my 9-year-old son. When she met my son, she was nothing but kind to him, and doubt she would endorse someone using that ISP to harass him.) Pleasantville 21:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Free Speech Controversies

GoDaddy has been in the news at least a couple of times for so-called "free speech" issues. I'm not sure if these should be included, so I am just posting this here.

First, there was savetoby.com (they left the site up):

• http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7406483/
• http://www.bobparsons.com/50000foramannottoeatarabbitThecuriouscaseofSaveTobycom.html
• http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45618-2005Mar17?language=printer

And, most recently, seclists.org was taken down (and later brought back up):

• http://seclists.org/nmap-hackers/2007/0000.html
• http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/01/myspace_alleged.html
• http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/01/godaddy_defends.html
• http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/26/1542218

Go Daddy Bike

The Go Daddy Bike is on American Chopper, this Thursday night on TLC. GreenJoe 15:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)