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Population density calculation

Regarding the calculation of population density in numerous articles (such as this recent edit of Fillmore, California, which was updated to use the {{convert}} template), the number of digits displayed is rather ridiculous. Ignoring this presents a pedagogical issue (i.e. we're instructing the WP readership that there are 6 significant digits, when it's just not true).

This becomes most annoying when somebody reports the population density and provides digits after the decimal point which have no mathematical significance. Can we get some attention on this issue? Fabrickator (talk) 23:19, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Fabrickator. The problem is not the {{convert}} template but the way it is being used. If you look at the documentation, you'll see that there are all sorts of options to control the precision of the conversion. In the particular example you gave, part of the problem is that the original population density is given with too many digits and the template default is to mirror that. However, as Help:Convert#Rounding makes clear, all this can be adjusted by an editor using the template: the issue is that WP:CIR. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

It seems to me that this shows problems on several levels ... a template that people don't understand how to use, editors that evidently don't understand why we should only display significant digits, but mostly, that it requires all these articles to be edited every time we have an updated population. FWIW, it looks like some Wikipedia sites (e.g. de-wiki) generate this content dynamically in some cases, inserting a "wikidata" comment to effect this. Fabrickator (talk) 00:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Morefar article

The “Morefar article” is disinformation made a company called “Starr conspiracy”

it’s intent is to lure children to a cemetery.

This entire article is misinformation and the articles attached to it Jadeyone (talk) 10:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Is this about Morefar Back O'Beyond? That article mentions no cemetery. Maproom (talk) 10:25, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok, it does say "His ashes are interned [sic] on the fifteenth tee." I doubt any child would be lured by that. Maproom (talk) 10:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@Maproom et al... Well, there's no reason to leave "interned", so I changed it. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 10:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Jadeyone, your edits to articles -- such as this one (oddly, in triple parentheses) -- make no sense to me. You have said that "I don’t ever use this website"; perhaps it's just not a good fit for you. -- Hoary (talk) 11:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

You made two unreferenced additions to the article, both reverted. All content requires references. If you persist, you will receive more severe warnings, and then be indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 11:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@Jadeyone "Starr conspiracy" is the name of a company? That is odd. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 10:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

How do I add an image to a cell?

Hey! I am wondering how I would go about adding an image to a cell in a table, like seen in:

Fairmont Hotels and Resort

Thank you!! peter (he/him pronouns) (talk) 01:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Peterwxshere:

{| class=wikitable
|+ The table's caption
! Col hdr 1
! Col hdr 2
! Col hdr 3
|-
! Row hdr 1
| Cell 2 || Cell 3
|-
! Row hdr A
| Cell B
| [[File:Bolivian sunset in the Amazonas.jpg|60px]]
|}

The table's caption

Col hdr 1	Col hdr 2	Col hdr 3
Row hdr 1	Cell 2	Cell 3
Row hdr A	Cell B

Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 01:36, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey, sorry, I might’ve wrote this wrong, how would I add the image to a pre-existing cell, using the visual editor? peter (he/him pronouns) (talk) 04:30, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Peterwxshere You might not like this answer, but I've just tested out adding an image with WP:VE and it was very fiddly, and I could only get so far, and then had to resort to using WP:Source Editor to hone it down correctly (by matching the code already there.)

You can initially add the image with VE by highlighting the cell text and clicking 'Insert>Images & media. Then paste in the image name that you've already identified and insert it. Initially, it'll be far too big (which is why it's always worth testing out editing a copy of any table in your sandbox.

To resize the image in VE, click it and then click the 'Edit' button and go to the Advanced tab. At image size, select 'Custom' and change either the height or width to match the existing image sizes used in that table. I then switched to Source Editor and trimmed out the thumb and dimensions to match the existing format of the code.

I feel this was pretty clumsy, but it got the job done. Before adding it back into an article, I would have looked at other pages which showed perfect results and copied the code into my sandbox as well, so I could better get to understand how it was working.

Bear in mind that VE is not intended for very complex tasks, so sometimes it's important to be able to switch back and forth between both editing tools (use the dark, slanted pencil idon in the right side of editing toolbar) to take advantage of what they each offer.

Maybe someone else can give a purely VE-related answer, but after all this time I still find tables a real fiddle to deal with. Nevertheless, I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Nick! I will try that now! 😁 peter (he/him pronouns) (talk) 15:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Peterwxshere How did it go? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Content creation

The person (KN Shashikiran), on whom I'm making this page is internationally acclaimed exceptional musical artiste, but not much about him is actually on internet, therefore I couldn't find much references, though I tried to link up as much as possible. Kindly consider accepting this article, it would help a lot. Nonetheless, I shall definitely try and refer more content. Sreeja Addala (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Articles require citations in order to meet Wikipedia's Verifiability Standards. However, sources for articles don't have to be from online. If you have a book, magazine, or other physical, reliable source, you can use that. WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Sreeja Addala, you're asking about Draft:K. N. Shashikiran. Above, you describe Shashikiran as "internationally acclaimed exceptional musical artiste". Oh dear. Having read that sales talk, I'm not surprised to see that the draft too is crudely promotional. Example: K. N. Shashikiran stormed into the world of music as a child prodigy at a tender age of two years by identifying ragas, demonstrating complicated talas and answering other technical questions in Carnatic music. He is the grandson of the legendary Gottuvadyam player Narayan Iyengar and the son of Chitravina Narasimhan, a musician with a vision and mission. Et cetera et cetera. Wikipedia describes musicians; it doesn't market them. -- Hoary (talk) 21:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Sreeja Addala "Accepting the article would help a lot". Help who? Or help what? Helping the artist is promotion, and the language Hoary points out is spot on. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 10:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Creating new pages, for the first time

Hello, I have written up a whole series of subjects related, broadly, to the local history of Salisbury Plain, in Wiltshire, England (about people, places, stories, local Wiltshire words and phrases, etc, etc). I want to add these, piece by piece and I already have signed on as an editor.

I have a clear structure in my head for the subsidiary topics, some of which are (in simple terms) an A4 page or so, some of which would be tables with several hundreds or even two or three thousand lines. What I cannot find is a simple explanatory page on the web, or specifically on Wikipedia, of how such structures work or are created. It may well be that I need to think of each topic as a separate article, but even then some of those articles would need to have subsidiary pages.

Can someone point me to some advice on this? Plain historian (talk) 15:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Have a look at your first article for help, you would also be well advised to use the articles for creation method. For specific advise about Wiltshire have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiltshire. Theroadislong (talk) 15:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Plain historian, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. Thank you for wanting to contribute to Wikipedia.

However, from your description I have a concern that what you want to write may not be suitable for Wikipedia (but I may be misinterpreting what you say).

If what you have is a collection of reliable secondary sources discussing the local history etc, then an article summarising what these sources say may be very welcome. But if what you have is unpublished material, primary sources or self-published sources, then I'm afraid that what you are proposing would be original research, which cannot be published in Wikipedia. If that is the case, I urge you to find a different place to publish your research. ColinFine (talk) 16:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Plain historian An A4 page with two or three thousand lines? If you are thinking of the amount of text that an A4-sized piece of paper would hold, it's not two or three thousand lines. I'm confused. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 10:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

If you're confused, you didn't read Plain Historian's post properly: they clearly meant some topics would amount to an A4 page, some [others] would amount to tables of several thousand lines. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.201.73.20 (talk) 10:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah, that makes more sense. Yes, I misread it. Thanks. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Decline in macOS, Linux, and Microsoft Windows pageviews on March 3, 2022

https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=1&range=latest-365&pages=Linux%7CMacOS%7CMicrosoft_Windows

I'm not sure where to ask so I decided to ask here, but I'm curious why the pageviews of Linux, macOS, and Microsoft Windows declined on March 3, 2022. What happened on that day that reduced the pageviews so much? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 19:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Just a software glitch. Ignore it. The apparent dip in views on that date applies to other articles too. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I just created an account, how can I get started here? Can I use templates freely of my user page? Cdmxm8807i8x (talk) 23:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Cdmxm8807i8x, and welcome to the Teahouse! Your homepage guides you through making edits. You might later be interested in the Task Center, which lists some things you can help out with sorted by difficulty, and you can also see if there are any WikiProjects about subject you're interested in; Wikiprojects often include some things that need doing on their main pages. As for your userpage, you can put userboxes and other stuff on there as long as you follow these guidelines. Hope this helps! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 23:31, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

I did a bit wrong, I didn't know about making external links, so can you explain it to me? Cdmxm8807i8x (talk) 00:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Some reading for you, WP:EXT. Start with something simple. Here are some spelling errors to have a go at. Neils51 (talk) 01:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

OK. I did [sony.com Sony's site] . Is that right? Cdmxm8807i8x (talk) 01:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

What is the code for making an external link? Please let me know and explain what it is. Thanks! Cdmxm8807i8x (talk) 00:52, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

[(link) (pothole)] - Not everything requires a CliffsNotes explanation. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Cdmxm8807i8x, see Wikipedia:External links#How to link. -- Hoary (talk) 01:54, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

OK, I know. Cdmxm8807i8x (talk) 01:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

This says that User:Cdmxm8807i8x was previously User:Vegrar81uyiA80 and User:Gldgenga471834gldben. Vegrar81uyiA80 is blocked indefinitely; I've therefore blocked the other two indefinitely for block evasion. -- Hoary (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

That went south quite fast. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Editor was also using IP 100.11.93.56 (blocked) to make entries on Talk pages on its other accounts. David notMD (talk) 09:59, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

My proposal to merge Template: Philippine name within Template: Family name hatnote

Good day! In what way can I delete a template (Philippine name) and merge to Family name hatnote instead. I know it sound insane but I think this is only my way to avoid confusion regarding resemblance between the said template and Spanish and Portuguese templates. Please feel free to assist me regarding that particular circumstances. Thank you very much! RenRen070193 (talk) 06:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@RenRen070193: If you want to suggest a change to templates that requires a) deleting one of them, or b) changing a large number of pages to use a different template (e.g. as the result of a template merge), you can start a discussion about the change at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion (see the instructions at the top of that page for how to propose a template merge). That seems to fit for the change that you're suggesting. (For smaller-scale changes that could be easily reverted and don't require a deletion, it would be possible to just do them yourself, but this is likely to be large scale and needs a discussion first). --ais523 09:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ais523 can I file a specific subject to Miscellany of deletion for deletion my requested one? RenRen070193 (talk) 04:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@RenRen070193: Miscellany for deletion is only for pages that don't fit into the other deletion processes – it isn't used for templates, which have a deletion process of their own. You should use Wikipedia:Templates for discussion for deletion discussions of templates. --ais523 12:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ais523 Thanks for the info. I hope I can use what I learned especially when I'll going to tackle a discussion relatwd for my requested proposal. RenRen070193 (talk) 13:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Infobox from "Prussia" page

I am looking for information regarding a specific type of infobox that can be found on Prussia. I have seen it before, however I could never locate its source. https://imgur.com/a/dxBOfhZ 2A01:110F:C3B:6000:F9A7:681E:7D94:2FAB (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

This is the template {{History of Brandenburg and Prussia}}. —Kusma (talk) 14:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

The full infobox is {{Infobox former country}}, as can be seen if you open the "edit source" tab of the article and look for the first line that contains the word "infobox" but as Kusma said, the smaller portion at your imgur link is a different template whose name is in the source code at the point where it is used in the text (just below the section header "Symbols"). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

labeling users

Can anyone says that in English Wikipedia labeling users is easily or not? Is there misuse of access? I wanna start a new wikipedia life from En, I don't wanna face "aggressive-violent-stereotype treatment" anymore. Ruwaym (talk) 15:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ruwaym: I assume that you are looking for a clean start? If you go this route, just be aware that it would be better to edit different areas than your old account. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:19, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Tenryuu "He who is clean, not fears to be seen". no clean start, I don't give up. I am just moving to new home, En. Ruwaym (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah, so you want to use the EN Wikipedia more? There's nothing stopping you from doing so, much like you can edit other Wikimedia projects. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Ruwaym, the rules of Wikipedia haven't been changed since your block. If you understand the rules and can follow them, you should be able to continue editing English Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:10, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you guys. Ruwaym (talk) 14:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

How to

I'm having trouble understanding or asking how to questions to avoid accusations of violating neutrality. Also an article i wrote years ago on elf children was merged with Tolkien topics and mutilated with terms Tolkien never would have used e.g. Libido, which is the wrong term for describing someone who is capable of controlling their biological passions in a preternatural, pre-fallen way, which is how Tolkien, a Devout Catholic, would have understood the concept in reference to his specific Elves. I understand the reason for the merger, since the original article was largely about societies of Tolkien Elves, but Libido and other changes made are, i might say, a violence to Tolkien's concepts, being a professor of Anglo Saxon and an obsessive compulsive philologist (historical linguist). If preternatural and passion is too technical as a philosophical or theological concept, more explanation could have been given. Libido is imprecise and reflects a certain level of Sloth. I also dont understand how to write a non original article that doesn't plagiarize another source, it seems contradictory. Can someone please help so i could make a contribution within the rules? I dont even understand the talk pages. I wanted to contribute to the article on Javan and couldn't figure out how to enter a discussion about it. It seemed that there was no link to start a new conversation or add to the existing ones. I'm sorry i'm so challenged in the art of contribution, but i dont know who decides what is accepted and what violates policy, or how to get hold of them. Judging from the Edit war on the article about Javan there's no referee/super moderator / "Chief justice," so to speak. I didnt know how to use the talk pages to join the discussion on my elf child article, so it was mutilated without my contribution elrondaragorn (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Elrondaragorn and welcome to the Teahouse! Assuming you mean Javan (you may mean something completely different), and that you're on a laptop, you start a new discussion at Talk:Javan by clicking "New discussion". On some other device, things can look different. The existing ones on that page are very old, but each section should have an "edit source" link which can be used to add to that section, and comments should have a "reply" link. Few editors may be watching such a talk page. WP:TALKPAGE may help you further.

There is a difference between using WP:RS to build an article and WP:PLAGIARISM/WP:Close paraphrasing/WP:COPYPASTE etc. Using RS (and citing them) is a must, the others to be avoided.

On neutrality (WP:NPOV), a hypothetical article on Tolkien elf-children on WP today is supposed to be a summary of WP:RS that has written on the topic, avoiding WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. If the WP:RS use words like "libido", WP can too. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

i'm not sure i understand what this means the neutrality issue occurred with a hot-button politically charged topic, not Tolkien. I wrote an elf children article that was later merged into a tolkien article but not everything i wrote was on Tolkien Elves elrondaragorn (talk) 17:56, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't see any current editwarring at Javan and these comments at the Teahouse are the only edits in your edithistory from this year, so it's hard to give any specific guidance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Elrondaragorn: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're not familiar with talk pages, perhaps this page will help you. You seem to have used talk pages before in the past, so you should still be able to use "edit source" links next to the heading of the discussion you want to join in. As an older user, you may want to enable the reply tool (which you can do at Preferences → Editing → Enable quick replying), which is a feature that facilitates replying to comments.

Wikipedia primarily works with independent reliable secondary sources, and not a lot of weight is necessarily going to be given to terms that Tolkien would have used. If you have concerns about the content, the best thing to do is to discuss it on that article's talk page, where other interested users can give their input.

I don't see any edit warring happening on Javan, though you may be confusing routine editing with what Wikipedia defines as edit warring. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:41, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Help! Fazil Iskander International Literary Award

Greetings, friends! I have made a description for the International Literature Prize. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fazil_Iskander_International_Literary_Award The Fazil Iskander prize is good and has been under the auspices of the Russian part of International PEN centres for several years now. The writers to whom it is awarded are also famous. Unfortunately, its founders write a lot in Russian on their website and it was difficult to find English-language sources, And the my article has already been rejected a couple of times, how do you think the article should be changed or add? To get the article approved? Likewriter2 (talk) 16:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Likewriter2: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your article has only been declined (not rejected) once. A cursory glance at the draft brings some promotional-sounding text to the front: it would be inappropriate for phrases like [t]he aim of the prize is to perpetuate the memory of the outstanding Russian writer Fazil Iskander with Abkhazian roots to be used as it doesn't come from a neutral point of view. I think the reviewer is having trouble seeing how the sources being used provide notability as Wikipedia defines it to the subject, but it may be better to communicate with them on their talk page to get more detailed feedback. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi . You might like to read WP:NAWARDS, which although only an essay does have important points. One of these is that notability is not inherited (i.e. if a notable person gets an award, that doesn't make the award itself notable). Looking at your draft, you cover the facts about the award and its trustees, participants and winners: more-or-less what I'd expect on a website for the award to cover. What we need for a Wikipedia article is coverage from WP:SECONDARY reliable sources that describe the award and why it is considered "good". These sources don't need to be in English but to assist readers and reviewers, it would be useful to provide short translations of the key points made in the citations as part of each footnote. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

How do you save a drafted article without fully submitting it?

Need help. My article is nowhere near done and I need to save it to make changes. Fijipedia (talk) 17:36, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Fijipedia: Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't; saving and publishing are synonymously used on Wikipedia. Assuming you're working in draftspace or userspace, reviewers won't look at the page until you add {{subst:submit}} at the top. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok, good. Thanks for the explanation. Fijipedia (talk) 17:41, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

A bit more clarification: Search engines (Google, etc.) outside of Wikipedia will not find your draft. A search within will not find it unless the person has draft: before subject of the draft. Editors can find your draft by looking t your contributions. David notMD (talk) 01:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Article re Portland buildings seems unclear

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Tower_Apartments

There are three towers with 3 distinct addresses: - Harrison East at 111 SW Harrison (condos), commonly/locally known as "Harrison East" - Harrison West at 255 SW Harrison (condos), commonly/locally known as "Harrison West" - Harrison South at 222 SW Harrison (apartments), commonly/locally known as "Harrison Tower"

references:

1. 1 is for the 222 (south) tower
2. 2 is for the 255 (west) tower
3. 3 is for the 255 (west) tower
4. 4 covers both the 111 (east) and 255 (west) towers
5. 5 is for the 255 (west) tower
6. 6 is for the 222 (south) tower
7. 7 is paywalled, but appears to refer to the 111 (east) and 255 (west) towers

- the information contained in the "General Information" block is for the 222 (south) tower. - the photograph is said to be of the 255 (west) tower, albeit from a vantage point no longer accessible (a parking lot that has since been converted to a high-rise)

what is the most correct thing to do for this article?

- if the article should refer to the South tower commonly known as "Harrison Tower" and is an apartments-for-rent building, then references 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 are not applicable, and the photograph is not of the correct building

- if the article should refer to the West tower, based on the most references (5 of 7, plus photograph), then references 1 and 6 are not applicable, and the general information block is wrong

- I'm going to leave off the east tower since its only references (4 and 7) cover both east and west.

- if the article should cover all of the towers, then significant rewrites would be necessary - and I'm not motivated enough to dig for references that would be acceptable.

- something else 104.153.201.166 (talk) 17:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. The best thing to do would be to discuss this at Talk:Harrison Tower Apartments. The article has been recently edited, so someone should have an eye out for any discussions on its talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Translate to English wikipedia pages in Albanian

Si mundem mi i perkth nga shqip ne english wikipedia pages?

Flm, C Cironi (talk) 18:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Machine Translation: How can I translate wikipedia pages from Albanian to English? Flem, C

If you're asking how you can translate articles that already exist on the Albanian Wikipedia, WP:Translate covers methods to do so. WelpThatWorked (talk) 18:45, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Cironi, make sure the articles you want to translate meets the demands at WP:N, and that you know how to add references properly. Further guidance at Wikipedia:Translation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:45, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Also, don't use automatic translation like google translate to write WP-articles, such tools, though often useful, are not good enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

...and don't just try to translate the article without finding, translating/understanding the sources used to create it. You will need to cite those sources, and write in English from your understanding of those sources, and can probably just use the Albanian Wikipedia page as a general guide as to what to include. (An example I've done is Joseph Vallot, where I hardly looked at the other French Wikipedia article, but used only its citations - and found many more sources in French that I could translate - that formed excellent references and sources of good content). Do also also read this guidance page. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

looking for help on how to start contributing

i've been a graphics designer for a long time, one of the fields i've grown particularly proficient in is digitally recreating historical flags especially from the Napoleonic era. i've wanted to know if there is any way someone with my skills can contribute to wikipedia. 2A00:7C40:C530:38:8C29:5E07:5A93:F0EE (talk) 19:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. If you have no issue with making your content free-to-use, your contributions may be welcomed over at Wikipedia's sister project, Wikimedia Commons. There's more information about how to contribute at this page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

In case you're unaware of how graphics get categorised on Commons, you could look at Category:Flags and its sub-categories to see what Wikimedia already exists. We also have List of Napoleonic battles and a brief look through some linked articles shows they could benefit from showing the relevant flags. You might like also to offer your services on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. If you create an account it will be easier for others to interact with you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Broad claim without a reference

Page [Proxy marriage] states "In most jurisdictions, both parties to a marriage must be physically present, and proxy weddings are not recognized as legally binding." No references substantiate the "most" claim, which is difficult to ascertain.  Perhaps "many", "numerous", or "several" could replace "most."  

The corresponding Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese pages have the same issue, as the paragraphs in question seem to be translations from the English page. Hunzu (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Hunzu. References are not required in the lead if the assertion is referenced in the body of the article. That does not seem to be the case here. You have several options. You can search for a source and add it as a reference if you find one. You could change the wording to one of the alternate words you suggested. I think "many" would be best, since that is supported by the body of the article. You can tag the assertion as described at Template:Citation needed. You can raise the issue at Talk:Proxy marriage. Cullen328 (talk) 22:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Editing Dispute

Hello and good day. Am currently involved in an edit dispute with another editor who is an admin. The page is Stranger Things. I have summited a Third opinion request (which has not been attended to yet) but recently an editor joined so am not sure if it still stands you know cause is "third opinion". The editor and I are in dispute if their edit which in my own POV is very confusing should stand. In order not to continue an edit war am here to ask for another pair of eyes who can look at the edit in question and see if it meets Wikipedia additional edit policy. The edit is unconstructive, confusing, not well written, unrelated to the subject and it jumps from one topic to another. I have tried rewording it but I don't know where to start from due to the fact that I don't know what the editor is trying to say. The editor said that the believe it needs rewording with means that them themselves know it is confusing. So am here to ask the help of editors to help us reword the paragraph so that other readers will find it easy to understand. Cheers Uricdivine (talk) 22:15, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Uricdivine: Welcome to the Teahouse. It seems both you and Masem agree that the content is reliably sourced. Speaking as an uninvolved party, it may help if Masem explained in bullet form what the main points of the problematic content are. As a copyeditor/coordinator for the GOCE, you may want to submit a request to have the entire article looked at. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, I want to keep the content, but here's the key part:

• Recent stories have had production saying there has been no post-release editing of episodes of Stranger Things Seasons 1-3.
• However, to explain why this statement was necessary, it is essential to point out
  • That fans found a possible error in a Season 4 episode
  • That the Duffers said that they could fix that error by "George Lucas-ing" episodes
  • Separately, it was known production was still making changes in the SFX for Season 4 after its initial release
  • The prior two statements were mistaken taken by some to assume that they were also changing past episodes (Seasons 1-3), including claims that a creepy scene was altered to be less creeping
• That sequences of events led to production stating that they were not changing episodes.

That's all sourced to industry papers (Variety, etc.) so its properly sourced. I know that it likely needs copyediting but I 've objected to the complete removal, and I strongly disagree it is that hard to follow if you read the sources that go with it. Masem (t) 23:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Uricdivine and Masem: I've continued the discussion over at Talk:Stranger Things, so let's move further discussion about the paragraph there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

how to edit

help im new Amstronglikebull (talk) 07:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@Amstronglikebull, welcome. See Help:Editing for assistance. The welcome message on your talk page also contains several helpful links. Happy editing! Kpddg ^(talk) 07:54, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Turkish View is narrow compared to English.

Hello, I use both English and Turkish in Wikipedia. However, when I click for the Turkish page of an article, the view is narrowed and I haven't found an option to display it like the English page. It is NOT set to mobile view in any language.

Can you please help? Thanks in advance. 176.218.16.251 (talk) 07:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. It's possible that the English and Turkish Wikipedias use different skins by default. Try creating an account. Check your preferences on both projects and see if Preferences → Appearance → Skins is set to the same skin. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. But why would creating an account be necessary for this basic functionality? Isn't it possible that there is a single view mode/skin for ALL languages? Meaning, take the English (wide) view as reference, since it occupies the whole screen, and then, if the viewer wants to customize, they can do what you proposed above? 176.218.16.251 (talk) 15:35, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP user. Each edition of Wikipedia is an independent project with its own policies, and that extends to things like default skins. If you are not happy with the default skin that the Turkish Wikipedia has chosen, you need to take that up with them: English Wikipedia can't help you. ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

The default Turkish skin is called "Vector (2022)" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering for logged in users. It's also sometimes called New Vector. The English Wikipedia default is still "Vector legacy (2010)". It may change later. Some changes are rolled out gradually to wikis. They can choose their policies and control the content of their pages but not some aspects of their interface. The default skin of a wiki is controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia has a lot of influence and is sometimes allowed to reject changes the Foundation wants. I doubt the Turkish Wikipedia was asked or could stop it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I am using Vector 2022 myself, and I get you, ip. I had done a custom override with my own vector-2022.css until recently. They just rolled out a beta gadget called wide-vector-2022 (discusson link), which I switched over as mine was more of a quick fix. I checked against the Turkish Wikipedia, and it seems not to be available there. You can try requesting on the relevant board in Turkish Wikipedia for it, or if you are particular urgent, you can create the relevant css page through tr:Special:MyPage/skin.css (note that you will have to create an account for this to work) under your user space and copy the css code or import the code at MediaWiki:Gadget-wide-vector-2022.css. – robertsky (talk) 18:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Admin abusing his privileges

How to report an admin on Wikipedia who abuses his power to ban and attack individuals without any debate and resolving any issues? Emirthesenat (talk) 07:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

in the first instance on the admin's talk page. If that's not satisfactory then file a report here: WP:AN/I. Polyamorph (talk) 07:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Emirthesenat I concur with the above advice- but you give a broad statement lacking context so it's hard to say more. Discussion is not always possible or even desirable in cases of severe disruption. Please discuss your concerns with the admin in question first. ANI should be the last option. Be aware that your own actions, or those of the other users, will be examined as well if you start a discussion there. See WP:BOOMERANG. 331dot (talk) 08:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@331dot and Polyamorph: Juding by diff, this is about the OP's edits to Evolution and Project Power. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

(ec) It appears that this relates to a short block more than three months ago by user:Doug Weller. See Special:Log/block&page=User:Emirthesenat and [1]. This is the user's first post since the block, and I would strongly suggest that this be dropped. Meters (talk) 08:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

See an attack after the OP posted here. User talk:LaundryPizza03#One sided and tyrannical behaviour and banning individuals on Wikipedia that disagree with Pizza's ideology. Doug Weller talk 08:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I have blocked Emirthesenat. Cullen328 (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Good call. Polyamorph (talk) 16:09, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Is there any admin who is an expert in South Asian social groups

I would like draw their attention to this article Droupadi Murmu where it's stated that she is the first indigenous to become president of India. She is also the first tribal but that's not the issue. They cited news sites like Al Jazeera, BBC and others but it is misleading according to established genealogy and contrary to established linguistics too. These medias mostly western automatically assume that it's similar to that of Maoris of New Zealand, Native American of Northern America, Sami of Nordic countries, Aboriginals of Australia etc but that's wrong. A tribal society doesn't necessarily mean they are indigenous. The Indian media which is stated are not trusted or reliable as they often exaggerate the news. By calling her indigenous will lead to serious distortion of history and may result in trust deficit of Wikipedia as a whole. I hope for an early solution this this and prevent an edit war. I would also say an editor named Venkat TL is refusing to listen who is involved in an edit war. I have explained the reasons to him and even asked that I might get us an admin to fix this but he reverted it again. He has misused the GS alert and has put me under General Sanctions just because of this. Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 09:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Kpddg ^(talk) 09:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Debjyoti Gorai General sanctions apply to everyone editing about the topic, not just you. Certain contentious topic areas have such sanctions to prevent disruption. 331dot (talk) 10:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@331dot I mean about the template. An editor involved in that dispute put a GS alert template in my talk page. Can he do that? If that so then I can also do that right.  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 10:54, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Anyone can make such a notification. However, since they notified you, they are already aware of the sanctions and should not be given another notice. Note that the notice is just that- a notice- and it does not mean you have necessarily done something wrong. 331dot (talk) 10:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@331dot Ok thanks for the info  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 11:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg ok thanks  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 10:54, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Debjyoti Gorai, I am an administrator. Please be aware that administrators do not have any special authority or power to resolve content disputes. Content decisions are made through consensus of editors interested in the issue. Cullen328 (talk) 15:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Samuel (Shmuel Hajaj) Hagai

Hello, I need help with my draft please. This is an artist who works in the US as well and also was in a reailty show. He passes courses and has a art published. I added sources and I really dont understand why the draft is declined... who can help? Giraff2021 (talk) 11:12, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@Giraff2021: Welcome to the Teahouse. The two reviewers are concerned that Hagai isn't notable (as Wikipedia defines it) to be on here. If he is, the sources don't give him significant coverage. Missvain's comment seems to be clearest. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Samuel (Shmuel Hajaj) Hagai. You properly declared you are paid, which was a good step, although to be exact, it is not the draft that is paying you. David notMD (talk) 13:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I cleaned it up a bit and moved the Big Brother mention to a Personal life section, but did not look at the quality of the references, which is what the reviewers expressed concern about. David notMD (talk) 13:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Referencing

Hello, my article has been declined due to inadequate referencing material, kindly help. WaxmanRono (talk) 12:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi WaxmanRono. Assuming you mean the draft in your sandbox, I'm not surprised it was declined. If you want to write about a topic like a TV station, you need to find some reliable sources not related to that TV station that provide significant coverage of it and then summarise what those sources say, using our standard citation methods. Your draft has no sources at all of that type. It merely links the website of the TV station (hardly independent) and the one reference tells the reader what the term "social media" means: which we all know already and could have been covered for anyone in doubt using a standard wikilink to social media. Wikipedia can't cover every organisation and person on the planet. It has to be selective and by long consensus only covers those topics considered notable. I suggest you forget about your draft for a few months and learn the ropes here by improving existing articles in areas that interest you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Michael,

Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately Record TV Kenya is a very new agency with no published sources. Kindly advice. WaxmanRono (talk) 14:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

WaxmanRono, if there are no published sources about a subject, it does not warrant a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 16:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, WaxmanRono. It sounds rather as if it is TOOSOON. ColinFine (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Concerned re obvious censorship "recession"

That y'all have limited open discussion about the recession is disturbing. Whether one accepts the 'standard' definition is irrelevant - it exists and is the 'standard' for a reason. It is also taught in Economics courses throughout the country. 174.70.75.153 (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

The article Recession has been semi-protected because it had been heavily vandalized by new accounts and IP addresses. Please read the article and you will see that the standard definitions are in the article and have been there for many years. You can see extensive discussion of this at Talk:Recession. There are many false stories about this on the internet. Check for yourself to learn the truth. Cullen328 (talk) 15:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

In this instance, I believe that "...all y'all..." would have been proper Southern English. David notMD (talk) 16:09, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah, not in my modern Florida - but thanks for the thought. Never heard of ASD, but cool - I now have an identity. I especially liked the ASTD site definition - but they seemed to suggest those are somehow unwantable traits! My favorite is: Appears to listen attentively when spoken to -- appears being the operative word. Maybe they might add 'makes up the language as he goes along'. Regards. 174.70.75.153 (talk) 17:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

For those perplexed by above, Wikipedia's Y'all does a nice take on the nuances of Y'all versus All y'all. For the ASD mention, 174 may be referring to my User page, wherein I self-diagnose as having ASD (Attention Surplus Disorder, not Autism Spectrum Disorder). David notMD (talk) 18:26, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello.

How would you message people? Also when you edit is it like a message? Who does it go to? is it permitted? Katiesage124 (talk) 17:54, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

If you want to communicate with other editors directly, their talk page is what you want. You can usually find a link to it right next to their username, for instance in my signature at the end of this post has the link in parenthesis. The talk page is edited similar to a normal page, but with conversations started under section headings, much like your question here. Talk pages are publicly visible, and good communication is fundamental to wikipedia. See more info at WP:OWNTALK WelpThatWorked (talk) 18:04, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@Katiesage124: This has been asked at the Help Desk. Please ask either here or there, not both, to avoid duplicating volunteer effort. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

How do I edit a wikipedia page

I read the Palmer Report and I noticed the Wikipedia for it page is very messed up. I followed three links in the footnotes and none were easy to read, some where voluminous, one was a wikipedia page about a man which was in German. This doesn't seem right to me but I am such an air head that my head explodes every time I try to read the instructions for wikipedia. Someone suggested Talk but I didn't interact and now its archived and I don't know if I can activate it. Obviously, I am asking for help. Maybe this is the wrong spot, maybe I should talk to readers of the blog, Palmer Report. Thanks to anyone who will point me in the right direction. LizLI2 (talk) 19:48, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

LizLI2 Courtesy Palmer Report. The article was created in 2017, and has since had hundreds of edits by scores of editors. Also, the article's Talk page has current and archived discussions - some quite heated - on the topic. Are there statements in the article you believe are wrong? Content that should be added? Can you provide references in support of your changes? If you want to edit a section, click on "Edit" for that section. When you are done, add an Edit summary explaining what you did, and then click on Publish changes. Voila! you have edited an article!! Undertand that Wikipedia has a BRD guideline - be Bold in your editing, but if Reverted, go to Talk page to Discuss, hopefully to reach a consensus. David notMD (talk) 20:04, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@LizLI2: Your first section was archived at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1159#Palmer Report. Don't edit archives, they are no longer monitored by the users answering questions. When you start a new section like this one, you can post a link to an old disussion and make follow-up questions in the new section. Always be specific in questions. Palmer Report has 77 numbered references which are used around 125 times in the article. I'm not going to try to guess which references and uses you refer to but at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1159#Palmer Report you made a big mistake by trying to use the reference numbered "1" for the article content numbered "[2]". The reference "2" applies to the article content with the number "[2]", and so on. If you click "[2]" at the article content then you are taken directly to the right reference and it is highlighted. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

How to write Plot and Reception Section about book ?

Hello contributors, I am Samir Bishal. Here on wikipedia I am going to write about books which are notable according to Wikipedia's rule. So is there any book expert who can help me by teaching how to write plot and reception section of a book article ? Will be glad to learn from guys guys. Regards Samir Bishal (talk) 21:21, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Samir Bishal, thank you for your willingness to improve Wikipedia. The first thing you should do is to improve the coverage of books that are already described in Wikipedia. Note that most books that are obviously worth reading (let alone those that are not obviously worth reading) don't need their own articles: they can instead be described adequately within the articles about their authors. See for example the article Morris Bishop, which no doubt could be improved but does I think (and hope) do a tolerably decent job of describing Bishop's books as viewed by reliable sources. Once you're proficient in improving existing descriptions, you might start creating descriptions. -- Hoary (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@Samir Bishal: I would actually give slightly different advice to Hoary: I think book articles are actually the best topic to cut your teeth on creating a new article. When you create a new article, the research phase is the first and most important phase—you need to find the reliable sources from which you will draw information. WP:NBOOK gives some criteria for when books are notable: I would recommend you only ever create an article if you have four or more reviews or bestseller list entries, in case others dispute the reliability of a couple of them. If you can't find this, pick another book (and there's no shame in this: sometimes I still abandon topics after a research phase because there just aren't enough good sources). Some information about the normal structure of a book article is here for fiction and here for non-fiction.

As a beginner, I would recommend for the Reception section that you just write a sentence or two on each review, with some quotes that summarise the main feedback the reviewer gives. Here's one I made earlier. As you develop in style, you can try making small links between the reviews by theme or whether they disagreed on whether some feature was a positive or a negative, like I tried to do here, and you can even jumble them all up together by theme and hope to get some semblance of meaning out of it, like I did here. However, it's taken me years of practising and 100 re-reads of Wikipedia:Copyediting reception sections to get to my current skill level, where I feel I have lots of room to improve.

For the plot of a fiction book, 400 to 700 words is recommended, but for a non-fiction synopsis there's no limit, unlike many other forms of media. For fiction, ask "is this detail needed for somebody to understand the plot?" If not, don't include it. For non-fiction, you might set a desired word count per chapter and try to summarise the main information chapter-by-chapter.

However, Hoary is perfectly correct that many books are well-covered within the author's article—it varies depending on how many works they have written, or if the author is even notable. My advice would be much the same: you still need a chunky Reception section, but a plot/synopsis should be much shorter (maybe only a paragraph: give a real bird's eye view on it). — Bilorv (talk) 22:26, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Samir Bishal, if you're going to start creating articles, then articles on individual books could well be a good choice. However, before you do this, try improving existing articles on books, and seeing what commentary you get on your efforts. And on "I would recommend you only ever create an article if you have four or more reviews or bestseller list entries": make sure (i) that the reviews aren't mere "advertorials" (Indian newspapers are notorious for the sycophantic material they'll publish when paid to do so), and (ii) that the "bestseller" lists aren't among those we are warned about in what's currently footnote 4 within Wikipedia:Notability (books). -- Hoary (talk) 22:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: & @Bilorv: Thank you so much for your kind reply and suggestions. So I am going to read and improve some article about books. As you guys said I will gain experience and also I will get to know how to write what to write. Then if I will have any problem I'll come to both of your talk page and I'll take suggestions from you guys accordingly. Thanks once again Samir Bishal (talk) 14:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thomas Affleck (planter)

I have been trying to correct some historical errors for Thomas Affleck. The property we own "Ingleside," in Washington, Adams County, Mississippi, was not a plantation, but the family owned them nearby. Affleck also published his works from there, some of them included the name "Ingleside" before he switched to "Washington." They also had an incorrect name of the his nursery, which was "Southern Nurseries." This is the name he used and published in his famous journal, plantation account books, and in ads from various newspapers in Mississippi and Louisiana. I am trying add a page for his/our house, which was documented by HABS in 1936. I also want it to be highlighted so that you can click the name "Ingleside" and go to that page. I have created a Wikimedia Commons page, which is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ingleside_in_Washington_Mississippi.jpg

How do I create an actual public page and insert it into the narrative of Thomas Affleck (planter)? GaryfuenfhMS (talk) 22:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@GaryfuenfhMS: if you have sources that substantiate the information you want to add, your best bet is to make a connected edit request on the talk page. See Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request . TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:05, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello GaryfuenfhMS, and welcome to the Teahouse. Interesting question, though the answer might not quite be what you'd hoped for. Whilst there is nothing to stop you building a website of your own and sharing documents, photos and archives with the world, it is highly unlikely that Wikipedia could use them to support new content. The reason for this is that we need Reliable Sources on which to base referenced content. Unfortunately, we don't accept things like personal blogs and one-man websites, social media posts or vanity publications. That isn't to say that your website would be unreliable, but as a rule we don't accept any such content from homemade websites. That said, provided the website were informative and non-promotional, there might be a case to be made for simply adding an External link section with a simple link to such a site.

If the property 'Ingleside' is on a register of protected historic buildings, then Wikipedia would probably regard that structure as 'Notable', providing there were published sources available to substantiate that. Therefore, it might be possible to create a page about it (based upon those properly-published sources)

But the only way to have material and research available in a form that Wikipedia could use would probably be to get either a local university or historical organisation to publish information and research in a manner that we could determine there had been proper editorial scrutiny of what was published. That's what makes the sources we use 'reliable'. To add to Tom's point above, to make an 'edit request' on a talk page that will definitely be acted upon in some way, follow guidance provided at WP:EDIT REQUEST. Does that help clarify things? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:18, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Editability of a certain area of many articles.

To Whom It May Concern,

Hi. I've been a Wikipedia editor for years. These days, I keep running across articles that have a beginning section consisting of a paragraph or two that seems to be uneditable. If they're editable, please give me guidance on how they can be edited. (There's no 'edit' function to press.) If they're not editable, then why aren't they editable? For example, see the page titled 'Scottish Rite.'

Sincerely,

missy2468 Missy2468 (talk) 00:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Missy2468: They could have been protected. Can you please give us some example articles so we can take a look? Thanks. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 00:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

To Whom It May Concern,

I gave an example in the last sentence of my inquiry.

missy2468 Missy2468 (talk) 00:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Missy2468: Scottish Rite is not protected. And from the edit history, it looks like you've never edited Scottish Rite. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to edit that page. (Maybe try again using the official edit form?) weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 00:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I see now that I had been forgetting to use the 'Edit' tab at page top. Thanks. Missy2468 (talk) 02:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Missy2468, Do you mean there is no edit before the intro, as there is for each section heading? You can enable that in your Preferences --> Gadgets --> Appearance --> Add an [edit] link for the lead section of the page. Or, just use the edit option at the top right of the article for the full page. Schazjmd (talk) 00:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I see now that I had simply been forgetting that there's an 'Edit' tab at page top. I had been staying in the default 'Read' section. Thanks. Missy2468 (talk) 02:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Missy2468, welcome to the Teahouse. By default, the lead paragraph(s) of an article can only be edited by editing the whole article at once via the "Edit" tab at the top right (between "Read" and "View history"). There is, however, an option which you can set in your preferences which will provide a little edit button just for the lead. 174.21.19.94 (talk) 00:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, 174.21.19.94. In case you want to enable that, go to your gadgets section, and check the box next to "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" gadget. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 00:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

(It's under Appearance, if you can't find it.) weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 00:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about that, but I meant the appearance section of the gadgets tab. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 00:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for your greeting of welcome to the Teahouse! I see now that I had simply been forgetting that there's an 'Edit' tab at page top. I had been staying in the default 'Read' section. Thanks. :) Missy2468 (talk) 02:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

How to Link an english wikipedia article page to the German wikipedia

An existing page in english that I want to also have it available on German wikipedia TJH2020 (talk) 05:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand what it is that you want to do. The German-language article de:Erich Honecker has a list of other-language articles about Honecker, and these include the English-language article Erich Honecker. Do you want to achieve something similar (but of course for a different article)? If not, please explain again what it is that you want to achieve. -- Hoary (talk) 07:39, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@TJH2020 Within a sentence, you can highlight and link a word to an article that exists in another language Wikipedia, but which doesn’t yet exist on English Wikipedia. You can use an inter-language link for this. Details at {{ill}}. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Daly Waters Airfield

I have several problems with this page: under the heading of "History", Daly waters was not an international airfield, as no commercial flights left there for international destinations. The airfield was not built for the London to Sydney air race of 1926, as there was no London to Sydney air race in 1926. There were London to Sydney air races in 1919 & 1934. The airfield was constructed in 1929-30 for the air-mail route. The hanger was installed at this time. According to website "Airline Timetable Images", neither Australian National Airways or Guinea Airways ever flew to Daly Waters. Under the heading of "Post-war use", again according to website "Airline Timetable Images" the timetables of both Ansett Australia and TAA are far more varied and complicated than stated. The hanger was not built for Qantas (see above). The remainder of the story is reasonably factual. Maluwipu (talk) 07:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Maluwipu, if, using reliable sources, you can improve the article Daly Waters Airfield, you are welcome to do so. If for one reason or another you don't want to do this, you are welcome to make suggestions for improvements; you should post these at the foot of Talk:Daly Waters Airfield. -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

How to use the parameter “modes” in Template:Infobox video game?

In the infobox for video games, there’s a parameter called “modes”, which has the following description:

“ Playing modes offered by the game. Currently, the only accepted values are single-player, multiplayer, or both. ”

My problem is: If a video game has the function for shared/splitscreen multiplayer, what should I put in the parameter “modes”? Beefwiki (talk) 07:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Beefwiki, and welcome to the Teahouse. If the option you want is not supported by the template, then you cannot provide that option.

If you think that the template should be altered to accept another value, then open a discussion on Template Talk:Infobox video games. You might also want to drop a message at WT:WikiProject Video games pointing to that discussion. ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles to approve

Why this hypocrisy in wikipedia? Call a spade a spade when trying to correct info they say not constructive Thanks 103.43.153.210 (talk) 07:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I'm not entirely sure what it is that you are referring to. 331dot (talk) 07:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't specified which edits you are talking about. Is it the edits made from that IP address on 20 June to Inter-caste marriages in India and Negi (surname)? Both those were reverted as they appeared to be vandalism. If there is a substantive point you were trying to make among the disruptive editing, please open a discussion on the article's talk page.

If those edits were not you, please tell us which edits you are talking about. ColinFine (talk) 10:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

How to change the label/ add a new label on Infobox Person

How do you change the existing label or add a new label in the template infobox Person? Agrawal.aman4 (talk) 08:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Agrawal, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't believe you can. If none of the long list of parameters listed in Template:Infobox person will meet your needs, then you're either going to have to give up the idea of putting that information in the infobox, or argue to get the parameter added or changed, which you can do at Template talk:Infobox person. ColinFine (talk) 10:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

An article about Russian artist Vladimir Logutov

Hello!

I've made an article about Russian artist Vladimir Logutov in English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vladimir_Logutov

But I received a messege from Wiki that the submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). And also it was said that my article appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia.

But here's an article about this artist in Russian Wiki

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%83%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80

So this is not an advertisment, he is an influantial and well known artist here in Russia. I tried to do my English article about him more informative, with more facts about his artistic practices then in Russian article and I'm surprised that it's not enough for English version of the article.

So I need an advice what can I do to make the article better? Maybe I should put more links from English resources? Or what? Gzub4ik (talk) 08:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Gzub4ik Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Each language version of Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. The English version, as the oldest and with a large number of editors, tends to be stricter. Sources do not need to be in English. What usually matters is the quality of the sources, not the quantity of sources. We would rather have three great sources than dozens of poor sources. 331dot (talk) 08:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Article on Caltech experimental physicist and professor declined

Hi, I recently submitted an article on notable Caltech experimental physicist Rana X. Adhikari which was rejected for not meeting wiki standards, even though the article is encyclopedic in nature, is heavily cited with published sources and provides plethora of info to readers. Could the editors' community point out sections that sound like an advertisement and citations that don't seem reliable so that I can make the article worthy of inclusion. Quentinhotwater (talk) 09:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

You could start by following the advice you've been given when the draft was rejected. -Roxy the English speaking dog 09:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Roxy, there was no advice, only the following generic message that's left me confused!

"This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies." Quentinhotwater (talk) 09:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Quentinhotwater. This may be a case where "less would be more". Draft:Rana X. Adhikari certainly shows that this academic is notable, lack of which is the single reason that most drafts get declined. So, I would suggest cutting some material out that is really just trivia and often sourced to WP:PRIMARY things like interviews (including from caltech, which is not WP:INDEPENDENT of him), blogs and social media. Stick mainly to the high-quality WP:SECONDARY sources. So, for example, do readers need to know His curiosity in physics was sparked by a comic-book Monica Rambeau, the second Captain Marvel, who transformed herself into neutrinos to pass through the sun? Likewise, listing at the end all the interviews with him that have been published doesn't help and can sound as if it is just promoting how wonderful he is. Let his work and his awards demonstrate that without embellishment. I hope this helps.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

With the examples you've listed, the rejection comments make perfect sense and so now I'd be able to improve the article. Thanks a ton for your help. Quentinhotwater (talk) 12:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Quentinhotwater Perhaps a nuance to you, but the draft was Declined, not Rejected. The latter would have meant that in the eyes of the experienced reviewer, there was no potential for the draft to be approved. David notMD (talk) 14:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

thanks for pointing that out. new to wikiedits so thought decline equals rejection. Updated my understanding and the query posted. Quentinhotwater (talk) 14:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Citation Errors

FYI

 – Grouped all similar sections under one heading. Kpddg ^(talk) 13:12, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

What's going wrong with citations!?

The citations in all articles are showing a message: Lua error in Module:Citation/CS1 at line 1392: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil). Also shows The time allocated for running scripts has expired. No further details are available. at the end. What's going on? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

References

Is anyone else having an issue with viewing refs? They all show as errors to me. —VersaceSpace 🌃 13:06, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Exactly, I have asked that above! Excellenc1 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Looks like the village stocks are gonna be full —VersaceSpace 🌃 13:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Only with Trappist the monk (see below). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I'm getting on refererences I've just added to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Birrel

Beryl reid fan (talk) 13:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Citation errors?

Whenever I see any article, every reference in the references section is full of errors, saying Lua error in Module:Citation/CS1/Date_validation at line 123: attempt to index field 'inv_local_long' (a nil value). Is this happening to anyone else, or is there a problem on my side? Kpddg ^(talk) 13:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg: It was caused by an edit. It's fixed now. More info here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#CS1_going_haywire weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 20:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Red error notification - assistance required

Hi,

I've been adding some references to the article Peter Birrel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Birrel but have come up against unknown error messages in red in the references section after filling in references with reFill 2. If anyone has any ideas how to resolve this, their help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Beryl reid fan (talk) 13:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Beryl reid fan, Everyone is asking the same question now! Excellenc1 (talk) 13:10, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

The admin Trappist the monk made a bad edit to Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration that they or another admin who sees this should revert soon! Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:10, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer, @Michael D. Turnbull, it looked pretty scary. Excellenc1 (talk) 13:11, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Issue has been resolved now Kpddg ^(talk) 13:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes, that was vaguely scary...Beryl reid fan (talk) 13:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Now fixed, although Purging indivudual pages may be needed if you still see the issue. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Postcards and copyright

As a newbie, regarding using scans of old UK postcards that I own, the current one of interest is 1940's with no printers/publishers name, would this be considered acceptable for use on Wikipedia either as out of copyright or fair usage? Also, from what I've read so far, I can't see any recommended image size, is there one? Any advice appreciated. Avectis-writer (talk) 15:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Avectis-writer You should be able to upload a copy of the postcard to Commons, according to UK copyright rules specified at Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_Kingdom The relevant bit for anonymous works (photographs) created before 30 June 1957: 70 years after creation if unpublished, 70 years after publication if published within 70 years of creation. Obviously your postcard counts as being published. You should scan it in full at a decent resolution so you have a true copy that won't be considered a derivative work and give as much attribution as you can. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Avectis-writer. Mike Turnbull is correct about this specific 1940s postcard. More broadly, you asked about "fair use". Wikipedia is stricter than commonplace fair use standards, and our use of non-free images is much more restrictive. You can read the requirements at Non free images. Cullen328 (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Avectis-writer (talk) 16:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Avectis-writer (talk) 16:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughlaq_dynasty

The dynasty has been described at several places as a mix of Turko Indian or Turko Punjabi people, but the description says Muslim Dynasty of Turkic origins

Meanwhile Khaljis have been described as Turko Afghans despite having Turk lineage paternally

Why is that? Jat1321 (talk) 15:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jat1321. This is a matter that you can discuss at Talk:Tughlaq dynasty and at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Cullen328 (talk) 16:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Adding a Picture to Sidebar

I would like to add a picture to the page for the "2022 United States Senate election in Indiana" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_election_in_Indiana). I work for the campaign of James Sceniak, the Libertarian candidate. The opponents are pictured, but our candidate only has a "blank SVG image" and I have a good picture to add. I do not see an edit button there and I'm wondering if it is possible otherwise. Anyone who can help is greatly appreciated. Wikiallene (talk) 15:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wikiallene: You would be welcome to upload a picture of Sceniak to our sister project, Wikimedia Commons. Please carefully follow the instructions at Commons:Special:UploadWizard. It is vital that you own the copyright of the photo, i.e. that you personally took it with your own camera). Otherwise things get much more complicated as a copyright release from the actual photographer would be needed. Adding the photo to the article is simple but you have a conflict of interest so it would be better for someone uninvolved to do this. If you leave a message on my Talk Page once the photo is available, I'll happily add it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Uploading pictures

Can I uplode pictures of my own work already uploaded by me in internet archive with attribution non commercial no derivs 4.0 international license? Koustavdikshit (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Koustavdikshit, welcome to the Teahouse. You could not upload those pictures to Wikimedia Commons because the license is not compatible. You could upload them to English Wikipedia for local use only, but all of the non-free content criteria would have to be met. 174.21.19.94 (talk) 17:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Koustavdikshit (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Request for my draft to be reviewed before resubmitting

Good afternoon! A year ago my Draft article was Declined. Draft:Bill McCloud I've been working on it off and on since then. Could someone please find the time to look it over. I've made efforts to better establish notability, provide better references, and include more sources from across the nation. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Neojin9 (talk) 18:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Submitting it for review is the process by which drafts are reviewed. A pre-submission review would more or less make the process pointless. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy response. I shall go ahead and do that. When my article was originally declined I was directed to come to the Teahouse for help, and to see if a more experienced article creator could guide me through the process. That was the only intent of my request, not attempting to bypass any established process. Thanks again.Neojin9 (talk) 18:40, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Translation of the page

Good evening,

I have tried to create an English version for the Estonian page https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaidi_Ruusalepp but I have no permission for publish it. Could you please help me with this issue? Iya2101 (talk) 19:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

You will need to create it in draft space via WP:AFC. Please be aware the existence of an article on another project does not mean it is notable by English Wikipedia's standards. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

List of Roman client rulers

"In 58 BC, Cleopatra presumably accompanied her father, Ptolemy XII Auletes, during his exile to Rome after a revolt in Egypt (a Roman client state) allowed his rival daughter Berenice IV to claim his throne."

It seems that Egypt was a client state of Rome for some period of time before becoming a province; I'm not sure whether Ptolemy XII Auletes was the only client ruler (perhaps his predecessor or Cleopatra also?)

I'm new to editing; I would prefer that a senior editor adjust the information on this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_client_rulers Betaversion1958 (talk) 19:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello Betaversion, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Thank you for wanting to improve Wikipedia. The best place to discuss this is the talk page of the relevant article Talk:List of Roman client rulers, as it is likely to be watched by editors with interest and knowledge in that area. You could also raise it at WT:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome - don't start separate discussions in two places, but you could put a note on one of those pointing to the discussion you start on the other.

Wikipedia List articles are really lists of Wikipedia articles, not of subjects, so Ptolemy should not be adderd unless the article Ptolemy XII Auletes cites sources describing him as such: I see that the word "client" does not occur in that article, but I haven't read through it. If it does say essentially that, then you could simply add him to the ist; but otherwise that claim should be added to the article on Ptolemy first, so it may be best to raise the issue on that talk page Talk:Ptolemy XII Auletes. Note that this will require a reliable source which effectively describes him as such, to avoid putting original research into the article. ColinFine (talk) 19:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

About Philippine women's national volleyball team's Table of contents

In mobile view the page only shows 3 headings when there's 8 of it in desktop view. Why it is like that? 155.137.111.108 (talk) 21:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Help with article creation - first time

Hi I recently submitted an article and it was declined, it's my first ever article.

Could someone help me with updating it/correcting it so it's in a good enough state to get approved.

Draft:Healthpost JoshuaGNZ (talk) 21:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)