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Use

Someone might want to add that it is used in Verdi's Requiem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.178.3 (talk • contribs) 11:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

More than most brass instruments, the cimbasso deserves an etymology section I think... the tortured history of the term is covered in detail in both the Meucci article and Bevan's The Tuba Family tome. I hope to do this in the next day or two. — Jon (talk) 00:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Construction section

A TODO to self/others, requires more refs/checking. The construction section (dealing with the modern instrument) can have more details about physical characteristics and measurements, e.g. bore & bell diameters, mouthpiece receivers, etc. A bit about the F vs. the bigger CC and BB♭ instruments, still made. Since they're usually played by tuba players (particularly in the US), there has been some demand for a bigger instrument with a more "conical feel" in tension with Verdi's intended trombone-like cylindrical bore sound. This made some manufacturers cater to both needs, for example Červený manufacture two cimbassi in F: the CVT 576-51C with a 0.598" bore and 10" bell, presumably aimed at a bass trombonist since it's listed in the "Valve trombones" section of their catalogue, and the CFC 652-5I with a tuba-like bore of 0.717" and larger 11" bell with much wider flare, listed with the tubas.^[1] More detail about valves; mostly built with rotary valves, Haag no longer make the 5-Hagmann cimbasso (Why? I emailed Fabian, he said that tuba players complained that the valves were too slow); yet Mattis Cederberg loves his one!* Pistons valves are uncommon; that said, British cimbasso maker Mike Johnson uses the piston valve compensation system common in British band tubas to make compensating four-valve models, and "double" models in compensating E♭ (the 4th valve providing the low B♭, and the compensation dispensing with the need for a 5th valve).^[2] It might be worthwhile (or at least fun) to mention that LA tubist Jim Self had a euphonium-like compact design of F cimbasso built from a Yamaha F tuba, which was somewhat inevitably christened the "Jimbasso".^[3] — Jon (talk) 01:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Brass Instruments (PDF). Kraslice, Czech Republic: V.F. Červený & Synové. 2021. p. 17–18. Retrieved 15 August 2022.
^ "MJC Cimbassi". Mike Johnson Custom Instruments. Retrieved 15 August 2022.
^ "Jim Self's Instruments". Basset Hound Music. 2017. Retrieved 15 August 2022.

Jon (talk) 01:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[cerveny-2021-catalogue-1] Brass Instruments (PDF). Kraslice, Czech Republic: V.F. Červený & Synové. 2021. p. 17–18. Retrieved 15 August 2022.

[MJC-2] "MJC Cimbassi". Mike Johnson Custom Instruments. Retrieved 15 August 2022.

[3] "Jim Self's Instruments". Basset Hound Music. 2017. Retrieved 15 August 2022.

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 More than most brass instruments, the cimbasso deserves an etymology section I think... the tortured history of the term is covered in detail in both the Meucci article and Bevan's ''The Tuba Family'' tome. I hope to do this in the next day or two. — [[User:Jonathanischoice|Jon]] ([[User talk:Jonathanischoice|talk]]) 00:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
+== Construction section ==
+A TODO to self/others, requires more refs/checking. The construction section (dealing with the modern instrument) can have more details about physical characteristics and measurements, e.g. bore & bell diameters, mouthpiece receivers, etc. A bit about the F vs. the bigger CC and BB♭ instruments, still made. Since they're usually played by tuba players (particularly in the US), there has been some demand for a bigger instrument with a more "conical feel" in tension with Verdi's intended trombone-like cylindrical bore sound. This made some manufacturers cater to both needs, for example Červený manufacture two cimbassi in F: the ''CVT 576-51C'' with a 0.598" bore and 10" bell, presumably aimed at a bass trombonist since it's listed in the "Valve trombones" section of their catalogue, and the ''CFC 652-5I'' with a tuba-like bore of 0.717" and larger 11" bell with much wider flare, listed with the tubas.<ref name="cerveny-2021-catalogue">{{cite book|title=Brass Instruments |page=17–18 |date=2021 |publisher=V.F. Červený & Synové |publication-place=Kraslice, Czech Republic|url=http://www.vfcerveny.cz/media/attachments/2022/02/26/vfc_catalogue_2021_cmyk-min.pdf#page=17 |access-date=15 August 2022 }}</ref> More detail about valves; mostly built with rotary valves, Haag no longer make the 5-Hagmann cimbasso (Why? I emailed Fabian, he said that tuba players complained that the valves were too slow); yet Mattis Cederberg loves his one![https://www.facebook.com/cimbassonista *] Pistons valves are uncommon; that said, British cimbasso maker Mike Johnson uses the piston valve compensation system common in British band tubas to make compensating four-valve models, and "double" models in compensating E♭ (the 4th valve providing the low B♭, and the compensation dispensing with the need for a 5th valve).<ref name="MJC">{{cite web |title=MJC Cimbassi |publisher=Mike Johnson Custom Instruments |url=http://mike-johnson-custom.co.uk/instruments/index.html |access-date=15 August 2022 }}</ref> It might be worthwhile (or at least fun) to mention that LA tubist [[Jim Self]] had a euphonium-like compact design of F cimbasso built from a [[Yamaha Corporation|Yamaha]] F tuba, which was somewhat inevitably christened the "Jimbasso".<ref>{{cite web |title=Jim Self's Instruments |date=2017 |publisher=Basset Hound Music |url=https://www.bassethoundmusic.com/hardware.html |access-date=15 August 2022 }}</ref> — [[User:Jonathanischoice|Jon]] ([[User talk:Jonathanischoice|talk]]) 01:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
+{{talkref}} [[User:Jonathanischoice|Jon]] ([[User talk:Jonathanischoice|talk]]) 01:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)