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Reliable source misunderstanding

An editor I have been at cross purposes with, just removed material from Capital punishment for homosexuality because the source supporting it was unreliable. Its citation was from Reuters. In restoring, I linked to RS noticeboard, but the restoration has been reverted with ES in reply: [1] "[Reuters] bad source parroting from other articles and reuter did a poll discussed in another discussion that had poor sampling" Similar edits at LGBT rights in Sudan, too.

In both cases, the removal of Reuters cites has justified returning outdated and inaccurate information. Because we have disagreed a lot, the editor will not take my word for it. Two great, experienced, non-involved editors, Mathglot and Firefangledfeathers have earlier tried to restore peace by getting us to concentrate on content, but I have little hope that the editor would respond to any explanation from me. Can anyone gently suggest to the editor, they have misread the WP discussion: It's not about Reuter, but uses a Reuter Foundation report cite to talk about a wholly different source organisation as potentially unreliable?

This is not really the place, I know. I can't go to any noticeboard, I just can't. Any help appreciated. AukusRuckus (talk) 10:40, 18 August 2022 (UTC) Updated. AukusRuckus (talk) 11:53, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @AukusRuckus, welcome to the Teahouse. This is, indeed, really not the place; it's a board for newcomers to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, not a content/policy discussion or behavior correction forum. I assume you've read the dispute resolution page. If a noticeboard is your only option left, then that's where you should go. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 12:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I'll just leave it with the overturned, pre-2020 law in, then.

It's not really a content or conduct dispute, per se; more a misunderstanding. In reading the Wikipedia discussion of reliable sources the editor has, I think, looked at a citation for a "bad source" as the bad source itself. I just thought it'd be a quick short circuit to give them a heads-up in an acceptable way (to them). I am too wary to try again with the editor, and too timid to appear at a noticeboard.

Someone else may correct it in time; many regular editors and readers would understand that Reuters is unlikely to be considered an unreliable source. And I guess a few days or weeks saying Sudan still has capital punishment when Reuters said in 2020 it doesn't, won't matter in the scheme of things. (Although, these topic pages are not as well-trafficked as I thought they'd be). Thanks for your reply, and sorry to trouble you. AukusRuckus (talk) 12:48, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and yes, I did wonder if I could still be considered "new", but I sure do still feel new! If it was unacceptable to ask here, I'm sorry, but I see sometimes people are just given a little pointer or two, here, and I thought, "I can ask": Seems an unscary place! Cheers. AukusRuckus (talk) 12:54, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

@AukusRuckus, we do try to keep this an "unscary" place, and we try our best to give pointers to folks who come and ask questions (which is why I linked to the DR page) - but taking requests to go off and give pointers to other folks who haven't come and asked anything is a bit outside scope. I don't think anyone here wants to become the Teahouse Police Force. Sometimes you'll run into editors who apparently can't be reasoned with; that's just the nature of the project, and you have to decide for yourself how far you're willing to push things before you just let it go. You're not the only one who'd rather drop an issue than venture into noticeboard land. 199.208.172.35 (a.k.a. 97.126.103.107) (talk) 14:09, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

No, I quite understand. That's fair. I didn't want a police force, though. More a casual "Oh. I see where you may be a mixed up." "Reuters? Unreliable you say? Hmm, that's surprising ..."

It was more along the lines of alerting any interested parties to a rather large and easily-resolved inaccuracy, one that I do not feel up to tackling, newly introduced by a mildly-confused editor. An editor who may well be amenable to taking a second look at the WP:RS noticeboard, if asked by someone other than me. A little orientation guide to understanding a WP discussion was what I hoped for, not for anyone to step into a dispute. It is what I would do myself, if they did not think I was horrible. I suppose I was asking for a sub!

I am going to try a very gentle query one more time, and leave it there. Thanks for your replies. (Not sure if you're one or two users) AukusRuckus (talk) 14:39, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Just one user under many different numbers, @AukusRuckus. This sounds like a situation you could try resolving with WP:3O (assuming you've already attempted a discussion on one or more of the talk pages). It's quicker and more informal than other methods, and it's sort of what you were hoping for in terms of calling in a sub. It's possible the sub may not end up agreeing with you, but at least they'll be an experienced editor who can give an opinion based on policies and guidelines. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:59, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

I thought you were one and the same. Thank you, they're very good ideas, but I'm not sure even the relatively low-key 3O is the right venue to get someone to take another look at their misreading of WP:RS Noticeboard.

I appreciate you bearing with my massive externalised thought process, though. Maybe I'll come back to it another day, or someone else may have edited it by then. Cheers, AukusRuckus (talk) 15:14, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

@AukusRuckus We certainly don't limit ourselves to only answering question from "newcomers", though that does tend to be our main focus. Anyone can ask an editing-related question here at any time, and I have done so myself when stuck at times. And you are always welcome to do that, too. It's more that your question is a bit off-topic, as the IP suggested.

Sometimes (assuming you don't want to go down WP:THIRD or WP:DRN routes) it can be best to leave things to cool down, and maybe even wait for other evidence to emerge. One saying that I use at home a lot is "you didn't hear me thinking". I've not checked, but it helps to ensure the logic of any argument you want to make is laid out clearly for all to see, rather than making assumptions that someone else understands something. Taking it step by step, you might be able to win your argument. I assume that in all other respects, the other person is behaving acceptably? It's certainly worth trying to keep out of WP:ANI unless you feel strongly about an issue of behaviour. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Nick, I think I'm wasting so many good people's time way more than I meant to. It was only a mistake on the other editor's part. We're not in a dispute, although we've been in plenty before.

I am not going to do more. Someone will pick it up at some stage. Because the editor now believes the WP:RS noticeboard has decided Reuters is a " bad source" and has removed article material accordingly, I thought it an easy, low-labour, fix for someone to say to said editor "Are you sure that's what it says?", before they start removing dozens, or hundreds, of claims sourced to Reuters. I know they will not take a gentle hint from me.

Your observation about "thinking" at someone is spot-on. Great saying, I think I'll pinch it! It raised a smile for me, both in amusement and recognition.

In this case, the only argument that really needs to be made is whether WP:RS Noticeboard has actually declared Reuters a bad source or not. An easily-established point, but not one that can be demonstrated by me to that editor, in any way. Hence, my hope that someone not anathema to the editor could point out what the the noticeboard actually says re Reuters. There is nothing else at issue. Confused editor believes Reuters-sourced material is deprecated, those with a little more savvy in navigating the RS noticeboard know what the RSN actually says: "a generally reliable source".

It would make me laugh, if I were crying less! Thanks for listening, and for the saying I am stealing for use at my house. You always give such nice responses. Cheers, AukusRuckus (talk) 15:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

AukusRuckus, please be aware that the Thomson Reuters Foundation is a charitable organization that is different from the commercial Reuters news agency. Material published by the foundation should be attributed to the foundation, not to the news agency. Cullen328 (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, @Cullen328; that is a nuance I had not noticed. Just for future reference, would that suggest a different, or perhaps "yet to be decided", view for TRFN's reliability as compared to Reuters, the agency itself?

I noted that in several syndicated appearances of the news item cited and removed from DP in Homosexuality article, for example in the SMH, [2] the article credit says merely "Reuters". The Independent's article is under their own reporter's byline and says "Additional reporting by Thomson Reuters Foundation".

I realise you're not the RS noticeboard, but I'd be interested in your thoughts. WP's Thomson Reuters Foundation News article notes number of journalists employed and some awards. OTH, their service is free (which may or may not be an indicator). A quick search of the noticeboard turns up nothing specific for TRFN or its previous name, AlertNet. Of course, I can open a discussion at the noticeboard, if it comes up in a specific instance at some stage, but just curious. Cheers, AukusRuckus (talk) 08:40, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

P.S. Just in case I have misconstrued the purpose of your post, Cullen, for clarity, it was not me who added the disputed source. In July 2020, another editor moved Sudan from the capital punishment listing to "historical" section, adding the source then. Best, AukusRuckus (talk) 09:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

AukusRuckus, I see no reason to doubt the reliability of Thomson Reuters Foundation News, and I believe that it can be presumed reliable in most cases, unless evidence to the contrary is presented. It is just that it should be attributed properly, since it is not Reuters. Cullen328 (talk) 15:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much, @Cullen328. It may not make the difference, but I really appreciate your note (to the other user). Thanks for taking the time to do that; it was the sort of thing I was hoping for, if only so I know in my own mind, I'm not insane!

And thanks for filling me in about the TRFN as opposed to Reuters: I'm very glad to know it. Best wishes, AukusRuckus (talk) 14:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

How long do I have to wait for my drafts to be accepted?

I wrote some drafts and immediately they refused it, I added the references, which was what they asked to do, but I never got any answers ANGELA BIDOIA (talk) 23:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Drafts are not reviewed in any particular order. The reviewers are volunteers and review what they choose. There is a large backlog, so it may sometimes take up to four months. Just be patient and continue working to improve the draft while you wait for review. RudolfRed (talk) 00:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

You have created five drafts, three of which have been Declined once and one Declined twice. As noted above, there is a backlog of drafts. Yours will be reviewed in time. Often weeks, but can be reviewed sooner or later than that. David notMD (talk) 03:07, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

ANGELA BIDOIA UPDATE: All of your drafts have been declined at least once. I strongly recommend that you limit future work to first getting one draft approved rather than wasting reviewers' time on several drafts when you have not yet demonstrated competence. David notMD (talk) 08:11, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@ANGELA BIDOIA Your drafts say "...was named, possibly in honor of"; "The Turkish historian Necdet Sakaoglu calls her Hyuma, but notes that she could have been named Hyumashah"; "it is more likely that he died before 1586"; "However, it is also said that Sardar Farhad Pasha was the son-in-law of Safiye Sultan and married her daughter, so there is a great possibility that he was Humashahd"; "If Mahfiruz Sultan would have been alive at the time of her son's accession to the throne, it is assumed that she was the one who gave Meleksima to Osman as a concubine". And that's just from two drafts.

That is a lot of unknowns for an encyclopedia to handle. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation page for Press Play

Hi I just noticed that the disambiguation page for Press Play has the wrong date for the movie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Play It should be 2022 not 2002 but I don't know how to edit this page. Thanks Debbie Lakelady2282 (talk) 10:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for pointing this out, Lakelady2282. Incidentally, you edit those pages just like any other, by using the "edit source" tab, assuming you are using the source editor. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much Mike. Will do that in future.

Debbie Lakelady2282 (talk) 05:31, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Shall Insurance in the United States wiki page be branched into sub-pages?

There are 3 different classifications of vehicle Insurance in the US; preferred, standard and non-standard. These classifications set the insurance rates for the consumer, but are not related to insurance coverage. Would an individual insurance classification page be considered to be a sub page of Insurance in the United States? Lybon21 (talk) 10:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Lybon21, if you don't get a good reply here, you could try Talk:Insurance in the United States or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Finance & Investment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Lybon21 I don't think that making those sub-pages would improve coverage of the subject. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 09:54, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Could someone check over this sourcing for me?

I was taking a look at Lipstick effect, and the following paragraph was inserted some time in 2012:

"In a 2012 study by four university researchers, the effect was attributed to evolutionary psychology: "This effect is driven by women's desire to attract mates with resources and depends on the perceived mate attraction function served by these products. In addition to showing how and why economic recessions influence women's desire for beauty products, this research provides novel insights into women's mating psychology, consumer behavior, and the relationship between the two. [...] Although the lipstick effect has garnered some anecdotal lore, the present research suggests that women's spending on beauty products may be the third indicator of economic recessions—an indicator that may be rooted in our ancestral psychology."<ref>See Hill, S. E., Rodeheffer, C. D., Griskevicius, V., Durante, K., & White, A. E. (2012, May 28). "Boosting Beauty in an Economic Decline: Mating, Spending, and the Lipstick Effect". ''Journal of Personality and Social Psychology,'' available at http://personal.tcu.edu/sehill/LipstickEffectMS20March2012.pdf</ref>"

Though I'm not too well-versed on psychology papers and journals, I have to admit it kinda sounds like pseudoscience a little. The journal, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, doesn't come up in Beall's list but did seemingly come to blows for some nonsense in 2011, 2012? I'd appreciate someone having a look in. Thanks!--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 15:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

You could bring this to FTN. The nuances in evaluating journals closely is a difficult endeavor for the average, non-academic editor. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skipper: Thank you! I'd forgotten FTN existed; I'll post this there.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 21:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Would anyone like to professionally create an article for the Kingdom of Heaven?

Hi. I would like to ask anyone at the Teahouse if they would like to create a professional page on Wikipedia that includes the facts, the details, the historical information, and the verifiable proof thats undeniable, that also includes subheadings, images, dates, and photos, and website link refernces for The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth including: helping the world to be informed about the house so that they may all come to know, and learn, to assist the LORD and his anointed Son and Bride, to make this professional page able to be searched on Wikipedia with its own page to add to Wikipedias content and help Wikipedia build a historical Encyclopedia to the truth of The Kingdom of Heaven. Please reply if you are interested in helping us to the Glory of God!

We also do not mind offering you creit for this assistance. Thank you Kindly. Beautiful The Kingdom of Heaven (talk) 17:23, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

No, this is an encyclopedia, not a repository for fiction. PRAXIDICAE🌈 17:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Beautiful The Kingdom of Heaven, welcome to the Teahouse. The purpose of Wikipedia is to summarize what reliable, independent, secondary sources have published about notable topics. Based on what you've tried to contribute so far, it does not appear that your mission is in line with Wikipedia's mission. Also, be aware that there are many dishonest people who offer to write Wikipedia articles in exchange for money, with the end result of your money disappearing and no article appearing - or appearing and being quickly deleted.

You will need to explain your relationship, if any, to user:TheKingdomofHeavenonEarth. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Now Firstly, could you let me know , Where is Wikipedia based in what nation and under what law?

and then ill answer youre question. Do you understand I have rights under the Consitution of the United States of America to the freedom of speech , the freedom to exercise these rights, and the freedom information, as to which this information is historical. The son of man is historical information in which you cannnot dispute under any article. You allowed the kingdom of heaven articles on other articles without any problems. What kind of encyclopedia is Wikipedia building when it refuses to let me under my amnedment rights under the consitution to speak freely? And can you please offer a link as to Wikipedias mission statement. you sir, have imposed or seemingly impose rudely, your opinions not based off of any history onto me, And by what authority or right do you have to ask personal information about my poersonal life? you have overstepped the bounds of my freedom, my rights, and violation should be onto your sight, i take it you hold youre own beliefs, and i do not ask your business. you called this "fiction" that is youre personal opinion infriging my rights as to which I broke no rule of law. And ahow come there are all these articles on what you call "fiction", even though our article has nothing to do with fiction but non fiction. By what authority do you think you have to impede, impose, invade, intrude, interrogate, like an inquisition to my personal life and relationships. Be advised you broke my amendment rights as to which I will fully use by my God given rights under the constitution to enforce by law any violation of my freedom, liberty, and rights under the constitution of the heavenly government which has full jurisdiction over the earth and every nation within it which falls in the territory of the heavens within the Kingdom of Heaven of the creator! You better believe it! becuase its not fiction and were not here to play games with those who are enemies against and who also commit treason against us. Beautiful The Kingdom of Heaven (talk) 17:55, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Your website and made up "kingdom" that you posted on your other account are not notable, and no there won't be an article. PRAXIDICAE🌈 17:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Please see WP:NOLEGALTHREATS. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:59, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

He's going to complain to sky daddy. We're all doomed. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:02, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Now blocked. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 19:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

We have an article Kingdom of heaven (Gospel of Matthew), which does what an encyclopaedia article should do, and summarises what reliable sources say about the subject. But please see WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion ColinFine (talk) 17:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

OK, a few declarations here

• I am a believing, church-going Catholic (can't quite bring myself to say "good" Catholic), so of course, I believe in God, and in Heaven and Hell. Nevertheless
• The original poster clearly has some issues and problems with perspective, but beyond wasting a bit of time for a few people, he's quite harmless (and now blocked, anyway). That said,
• @User:Praxidicae, your attitude and comments are unnecessary and uncalled for, and quite frankly label you as rather like the Original Poster. You don't believe in God; that's your own choice/problem. But it's totally irrelevant to the question of whether any article is appropriate to Wikipedia or not. Uporządnicki (talk) 21:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

The OP is a blocked editor who is trying to spam his wannabe cult. I don't think someone who threatens editors with eternal damnation and "reporting to authorities" is high on the list of people that we need to pacify. But do go on. My belief or non-belief has nothing to do with anything. Unless, of course you think that this Kingdom of God on Earth, which is what they were trying to spam is anything but fiction. It literally features marvel superheroes. PRAXIDICAE🌈 21:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Frankly, the fact he invoked freedom of speech strikes me as incredibly suspect. If your most compelling argument in favour of your faith is that it is literally not illegal to express, that should be a massive red flag to any potential proselytes that something is wrong. That isn't an argument of spirituality in the slightest. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

If THOC isn't a sendup of Western religion-cum-hucksterism, I'll eat my keyboard.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:44, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I learned some new words today... PRAXIDICAE🌈 10:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Having read all this, now my brain hurts. The most useful part was the mention that Beautiful is now indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft proofreading needed

Hi, my draft article (Draft:Qupital) just got rejected for having too much advertisement content. I have already updated and resubmitted the article but would be very grateful if someone more experienced takes a look at it in case I missed something. Thanks. 1205edit (talk) 19:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

1205edit It was Declined (not as severe as Rejected). David notMD (talk) 22:22, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 1205edit. Looking quickly at the citations in your draft, it looks to me as if every one of them (with the possible exception of the ones in Chinese, which I haven't attempted to translate) is either derived from Qupital, or a routine business announcement. You need several sources each of which is all three of: 1) a reliable source; 2) independent of Qupital - not written, published or commissioned by them, or based on a press release or interview with them.; and 3) contains significant coverage of them. Then the article should be based at least 90% on those sources. Which are your three best sources?

It appears that you have created an account, and immediately plunged into the most difficult task there is, that of creating a new article. This is like having your first violin lesson, and immediately giving a recital: not only will the critics pan you (if they bother to pay any attention at all) but you may well not understand what they are saying, because you haven't spent any time learning the technicalities of what you are trying to do.

Also, when a new user comes in and immediately tries to create an article about a company, they are very often connected with that company, and under the misapprehension that Wikipedia is like social media and you can create a "company page" where the company can tell the world about themselves. It is not like that at all: Wikipedia has articles only about subjects which meet its criteria for notability, and the article do not belong to the subject, are not for the benefit of the subject, and should preferably not be written by the subject or their associates.

If you do have a connection with Qupital, you are not forbidden from creating an article about it, but you are discouraged; and you should make clear your connection: see conflict of interest. If you are in any way employed or remunerated by Qupital, then you are a paid editor and making a formal declaration of this is mandatory. ColinFine (talk) 22:23, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I genuinely don't work for them. I'm a student on summer vacation and wanted to find something to do. I heard of the company from my parents (who work in finance but don't work for them). 1205edit (talk) 03:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying that, 1205edit. But the rest of my reply still stands. My suggestion would be that you put Qupital on hold for a while, while you spend time coming to grips with Wikipedia's policies, and getting experience by making small improvements to some of our existing articlesw. ColinFine (talk) 15:08, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Box of Frogs problem

I just made an edit to the Box of Frogs article, and I'm having a problem with formatting. In the Albums section, for the second album Strange Land, I added "Cassette version bonus tracks" and listed two new songs after the numbered tracks, before the bullet point. On the edit page, it looks correct (I couldn't use hashtags to number 11. and 12. because the added text reset the counter to 1.), but in the article itself it comes out all wrong: There are inappropriate spaces before and after the new numbered songs, the songs appear to be boxed, and they are in a different type face. Can someone help? Pete Best Beatles (talk) 20:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Pete Best Beatles. I fixed it in [3] with the method at Help:List#Specifying a starting value. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:10, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that's way beyond my ken. There's still one little problem there: since the songwriter info. is not available for the bonus tracks, there's nothing between the song name and the singer's name. They look jammed together, so I tried to add a space, and the space is there on the edit page, but it doesn't take when I enter the edit. -- ```` Pete Best Beatles (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles: Consecutive spaces render as one space in HTML. The second space is still there in the HTML of the saved page but it makes no difference. See {{spaces}} for a method to make more spacing. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I decided to solve the problem a different way, but I'll make a note of that for possible use at a later. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 09:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Publication of an autobiography

Hi guys! just wondering in regards to this autobiography Draft:Sadiq Daniel does it look good? and in regards to it getting published by probably someone more experienced? Also having a slight problem with the picture maybe the page needs to be formatted into an athlete page?

thank you anyone who can help! Baselinekickzz (talk) 03:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

COI has also been triggered on the article..

Happy editing! Baselinekickzz (talk) 03:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:AUTO to see why we discourage autobiographies, Baselinekickzz. What you have written seems focused on promoting your business interests. It also lacks citations of what Wikipedia calls reliable sources. As far as another Wikipedia editor writing your bio for you, don't hold your breath, as there is no shortage of notable businesses to write about. Wikipedia has its own definition of notable, meaning a subject has been written about in depth in published, reliable sources which have no connection to the subject. For starters, you may want to study this page on writing a Wikipedia article.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Your User name is the same as your business. This is not allowed. David notMD (talk) 03:52, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello Baselinekickzz. It may be helpful to read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If an article about you is published in Wikipedia it won't belong to you, and other editors will be free to add to it. There may be a time when something is published about yourself that you'd rather not have others read, but as long as the topic is covered by a reliable source it can be added to your Wikipedia article. Best wishes on all Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 06:05, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

About Template:Infobox gene

Hello. I was translating English pages to Korean, and I found something is wrong in RNA expression pattern. When we see ko:락토페린(en:Lactoferrin), RNA 발현 패턴(RNA expression pattern) segment is displayed as n/a. I collected opinions at Korean wikipedia already, but had difficulties solving problem. I found that when I set Korean label at wikidata, that item does not appear at RNA expression segment. What is wrong with this? --LR0725 (talk) 03:47, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LR0725, I'm afraid I'm not understanding what your problem is. But in any case, it is unlikely that anybody on en-wiki can help you with a problem on ko-wiki. Going to ko:락토페린, it seems to me that the link ko:RNA 발현 in the infobox works, so maybe the problem is fixed? Or is it that you want the whole of "RNA 발현 패턴" to be the link? I'm afraid I can't help then. ColinFine (talk) 08:46, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine! Surely, I know that asking at ko-wiki is the best choice, but it wasn't solved at all. Problem is that when we see 'RNA expression pattern' space at Lactoferrin, it appears like "Human: Top expressed in trachea, cancellous bone...". But at ko:락토페린, nothing but n/a is shown at corresponding 'RNA 발현 패턴] space. I have no idea why this happens. LR0725 (talk) 19:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

You will understand when you press [show] at enwiki. Maybe I should have more discussion with kowiki users. This problem is making me crazy. LR0725 (talk) 19:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I see it now. I'm afraid I can't help. Templates are not shared between Wikipedias - they must be copied and edited. I think the same is true of Lue modules, though I'm not certain. So you probably need to be talking to somebody who is familiar with ko:틀:유전자 정보 - perhaps on its talk page ko:틀토론:유전자 정보 (though I don't think anybody's created that yet)? ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Oh, thanks for your advice. I tried to solve the problem at ko:위키백과:질문방, kakaotalk, and discord, failing to solve though. I heard that Template:Infobox gene is not gaining data from wikidata from other user at kowiki. ko:틀:유전자 정보 is copied from Template:Infobox gene, so I thought we could get some adivce from here. LR0725 (talk) 12:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Suspect Editors

To: Wikipedia editors and supervisors. @Venkat TL is repeatedly removing truthful information from reliable sources from the pages of Aam Aadmi Party and its members such as Manish Sisodia under one pretext or another. There are a couple of other editors who are sympathetic to these pages and indulging in objectionable behaviour of content removal particularly from these pages. I have added messages on Talk pages, etc. but they ignore my messages. I urge Wikipedia to investigate this issue thoroughly and block these users permanently if they are exploiting Wikipedia to surreptitiously promote the interests of a few persons or organizations. Also, please restore the content that I added on these pages. Copy: @David notMD @Tigraan Rrthakur22 (talk) 04:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Who wants to drag this guy to WP:AE for enforcement of WP:ARBIPA sanctions? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Rrthakur22: Welcome back to the Teahouse. By the sounds of it, you are looking for WP:ANI. However, you may find that what is called a WP:BOOMERANG occurs, due to your violating WP:BLP repeatedly. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:01, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I am not adding information about some ordinary individuals. They are politicians who are using huge public money to get negative media information about them blocked and pay for massive advertisements to falsely project their performance as politicians. Their decisions impact a large population of vulnerable people. Therefore, the public must know everything about them if it is being frequently published by the reputed media outlets. Without adding any comment from my side, I am simply citing those media sources to inform the public about these politicians. Please restore the content that I added and do not remove the content arbitrarily. Thanks. Rrthakur22 (talk) 05:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Rrthakur22: I have no idea whether your beliefs about these other editors are accurate or not. But please note that RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS is no part of the purpose of Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 08:48, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine @Jéské Couriano @Mako001 This user, giving me sock vibes, is only interested in adding negative information about politicians on the basis of news reporting of ongoing investigation, violating WP:SUSPECT and WP:CRIME. His inappropriate edits were removed/copy edited by others and he has now resorted to calling everyone COI. Not sure how to respond to this kind of behavior. Perhaps the admins should take a look. Venkat TL (talk) 09:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

"Perhaps the admins should take a look" is useless. If you want some admins to "take a look", raise a properly supported issue at WP:ANI. ColinFine (talk) 09:26, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine ok. Admin @Cullen328 has posted on his talk. Venkat TL (talk) 16:03, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Rrthakur22: WP:BLP applies to politicians as well. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:50, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Approval

@Akevsharma I have seen a draft on Indian musician K. N. Shashikiran with great content, kindly approve it Avbns (talk) 05:57, 20 August 2022 (UTC) sock of Sreeja Addala

Hello Avbns, the draft is not submitted for the review. Drafts are reviewed by AfC reviewers and there's no need to ping individual editors once you submit it for the review. Ratekreel (talk) 06:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Avbns it also makes sense not to submit it until it is ready for publication. Although it now has references, I suspect it will still get rejected. Wikipedia is not a promotional site. It is a dry and neutral site giving only information about people that can be found in sources that were not written at the behest of the subject of the article, that are not press-releases or promotional interviews; in fact anything from an interview is treated as very suspect. At the moment, this article reads like a fan-site, and it contains unsupported statements such as "He has won innumerable prizes and accolades for his prodigious talents and work for the promotion of Indian Culture through Carnatic Music". This simply won't pass muster. We cannot write "prodigious talents" unless we are quoting a secondary source, and unless the secondary source actually said it without the least prompting. The best you can do for the article at the moment is search for really good neutral sources, and remove some of the puffery. The awards section also doesn't bear scrutiny. If you start looking at these awards, many of them seem extremely difficult to trace, and possibly far from notable. The only awards relevant here are things that cannot be bought, can be proven to exist, and that carry real weight. I recommend that you try looking at the Jaycees one, for example, to start to see the problems: it's mis-spelled in the unconvincing source, Google produces no hits that aren't the product of the subject of the article, and the wiki-linked organisation doesn't seem to have anything to do with it??? 79.64.7.76 (talk) 14:04, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Article for approval

@KylieTastic I've seen a draft on K. N. Shashikiran with great content, please approve it. Avbns (talk) 06:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC) sock of Sreeja Addala

Discussion on the draft K. N. Shashikiran

@Akevsharma@KylieTastic and everyone else, I have made edits to my draft and published it again and there has been no discussion about it since then. My request to kindly check it again and let me know.

Regards,

@Sreeja Addala Sreeja Addala (talk) 06:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

You have made one (admittedly sustantial) edit since the draft was last declined, and nobody has resubmitted it for review. Whole sections of the draft are unreferenced. This is not acceptable in a biography of living persons. There are also many external references in the text, which is not permitted: see WP:EL. ColinFine (talk) 08:53, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Unbold everything except the initial bolding of his name. Reference everything. If cannot be referenced, remove. Delete all non-significant awards. Delete most of the images. Cut the article length by half, including all the famous name-mentions (notability is not contagious). David notMD (talk) 09:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

UPDATE: Sreeja Addala blocked for three weeks for having created sockpuppet Avbns as a means of lauding the draft and promoting it to be accepted. Not cricket. David notMD (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Closure request - Conchita Wurst and others

I made a closure request 3 weeks ago for a move of the Conchita Wurst article, discussion on which ended over week ago with a clear consensus (in my opinion). I can see that there are lots of other requests which are even older, some a lot older. They just seem to fall of the end rather than actually be closed. I think I'll have a go at closing some although I haven't tried that before. Is there another way of requesting a closure on the one I initiated myself (i.e. Conchita Wurst)? All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 07:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Emmentalist: no, there is no other place to request a closure. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 12:30, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

It is unlikely to be acted on until the 30 days elapse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slywriter (talk • contribs) 14:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Tutoring for beginners

Hello everyone. I was told by a friend that Wikipedia had a tutoring feature for newcomers so that experienced users can teach them the basics of Wikicode and stuff but I do not see that feature anywhere... Does it still exist ? And if so, can someone give me a link to it or something pls ? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craffael.09 (talk • contribs) 08:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Craffael.09 Hello and welcome. I think what you are looking for is the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 08:35, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Craffael.09 and welcome to the Teahouse. Another introduction is at Help:Introduction. With the Visual Editor many things can be done without using Wikicode. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:40, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Craffael.09 I suspect you might have heard about, and be thinking of, our Adopt-a-User scheme. It pairs up committed new editors to more experienced users for in-depth support and guidance over a prolonged period of time. I'm afraid that program is not suited to absolute beginners because far too many simply want to create one page and then disappear forever. Adoption is a process of teaching keen, committed editors more about what we do over many weeks or months, and takes a lot of coommittment from both parties. To be honest, this Teahouse forum is probably the best place for you to ask questions after you have tried to follow our self-guided help at Help:introduction. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:23, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I think OP was looking for WP:GTF. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:47, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Template removal

Hi ! Do you know how to remove the templates that says "This article contains promotional content" or that kind of thing pls ? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craffael.09 (talk • contribs) 08:37, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Craffael09, and welcome to the Teahouse. The tag has a link in it that says (Learn how and when to remove this template message) Have you read it?

If you are talking about Alpha Sigma Rho, evaluative claims such as first Asian-interest sorority established in the state of Georgia are not acceptable anywhere in a Wikipedia article unless they are directly sourced to a wholly independent reliable source. And random bolded text immediately makes the text read as an advert, as well as being forbidden by the manual of style.

Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 08:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Tables

Hi! I was wondering how to insert tables when editing. Im planning on adding information to an article about a game listing its soundtrack Getting Freaky on a Friday Night, yeah. (talk) 08:56, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

There are many ways. See Help:Table. If you're using the source editor, you'll probably need to learn the table syntax, but if you want to avoid that, you can also do it via the visual editor. small jars tc 09:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

hi @Getting Freaky on a Friday Night, yeah. and welcome to the teahouse! I'm assuming you're planning to write the soundtrack section for Friday Night Funkin'? you could take a look at the table in Undertale Soundtrack for an example, or Katawa Shoujo#Soundtrack when dealing with soundtracks featuring multiple artists. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 09:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, @SmallJarsWithGreenLabels and @Melecie, and no the soundtrack is for a different game. the game has 2 different soundtracks due to an in game feature. Getting Freaky on a Friday Night, yeah. (talk) 09:46, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Line-spacing in <blockquote>

Very sorry to be troubling busy editors: I've been improving the old Hudibras article. I'm new to article-sized Wikipedia writing, but have had great and very valued help from editors. One of you recommended (a few weeks ago) that I use <blockquote><poem> ... </poem></blockquote> for indented quotations. I've done that, to good effect — many thanks. But this seems to bring with it an odd change to the spacing beween lines, which is obviously ridiculously excessive. What code can I add to reduce the leading? Many thanks for any help! GoldenDorset GoldenDorset (talk) 09:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, GoldenDorset. The spaces are there in the code. If you don't want the lines displayed double spaced, don't put blank lines between them. ColinFine (talk) 09:30, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

 Note: wrapped the tag in header around <nowiki> 💜  melecie  talk - 09:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I am *so apologetic* — I don't know how I could have failed to observe that. I don't know how the double-spacing appeared (I never use it myself) but it was clearly there, and I *ought* to have seen it myself. Deepest apologies for troubling you, and deepest thanks for your good humour in correcting me! GoldenDorset (talk) 16:22, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Could someone have a look at United_States_Junior_Chamber#Controversies

This section is sourced to a book, but obviously it's hard for anyone to assess that the book is accurate and a reliable source. Currently it's making extremely drastic allegations that I'd like to see supported by multiple good sources, given their nature. 79.64.7.76 (talk) 14:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I've removed the recently-added section and left an explanation on the article's talk page. Schazjmd (talk) 15:29, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Suggesting pages for creation

Hello I follow a lot of public figures in the entertainment industry and community. What is the likeliness of having pages created from suggestions of others as I don’t see several already made? S3lftaughtob (talk) 14:27, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@S3lftaughtob: Welcome to the Teahouse. The answer to your question is extremely unlikely. Subjects must be notable as Wikipedia defines it, and they should satisfy the criteria for celebrity notability guidelines. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this information. I believe a few do fall under all of the criteria. This is a great experience! S3lftaughtob (talk) 20:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

WP:YFA explains how to create a draft and submit it for review. I see that you have already used your Sandbox to that effect (allowed) and had the draft Declined. Among other problems, IMDb is not considered a reliable source reference because anyone can edit it. Find better refs before trying again. David notMD (talk) 21:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Brexit

Why is it not described as a factually incorrect term? Britain did not exit the EU, the UK left the EU. ? 2A00:23C4:3E0D:7D01:59A9:76C5:CC77:E124 (talk) 16:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Is your question about the Wikipedia article Brexit, which describes it as "the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU) at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020 (00:00 CET)", or about the term in general? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:53, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

IP Editor: As far as I'm aware, very little indeed has been published on the subject of the term "Brexit", and whether it is pedantically/semantically accurate or not. Note that Wikipedia articles are titled according to what they are most often called. All apologies to Northern Ireland.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:43, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Anyway, Brexit is usually interpreted as "British exit", not "Britain exit". British usually includes the whole UK and Britain also does in many cases. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Andrew Tate page

How about removing it? Thanks 131.191.80.78 (talk) 17:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. I am not a fan of kickboxing or of Andrew Tate, but we are not going to remove an article about a two time world champion. Cullen328 (talk) 17:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Our criteria for accepting an article is whether the subject meets our criteria for notability, not how virtuous or objectionable the subject is. ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Re-submitting autobiography as biography

FYI

 – A massive copyvio in this post was removed by another user and revdel requested. I'm reposting the bits that weren't a violation, in case someone would like to comment. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 18:29, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi,

The following is the latest version of my bio. It was originally written by other writers who became exhausted with the Wikipedia administrators that posed as obstacles and were discouraging with no direction as to further development of the article, but rather cited rules and a maze to try and navigate. Anyway, the latest has a PDF with many references linked. However, the PDF doesn't work on Wikipedia, thereby unlinking the references, and the "Cite" process is just confusing. If anyone would like to help with simply linking the references from the PDF, or I can send the URLs, it would be truly appreciated. Here is the latest "Bio" version with numbers that are associated with the unlinked references:

<redacted>

Bob Purvey Bobpurvey1 (talk) 18:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Previous, somewhat related Teahouse post. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bobpurvey: Considering what you just wrote had to be removed wholesale as a copyright violation (if it's been published anywhere else without the copyright licence specified, we cannot use it per Berne) and the draft as written still existed at the time I started writing this, I am going to try and go over this in a more granular fashion, with explanations as to why what is on the draft is unacceptable. I behoove you to pay attention rather than ignore the criticism.

• We can't use IMDb (no editorial oversight). IMDb is a wiki, and while they claim to have fact-checking, it's always been found to be severely lacking to the point they may as well not have it.
• We can't cite Wikipedia (circular reference). We never cite Wikipedia, mirrors of it, or sister projects as that's essentially citing ourselves, and even if that weren't a concern, we're still a wiki with subpar fact-checking relative to news/scholarly sources.
• We can't cite https://www.surfertoday.com/surf-movies/follow-me (too sparse). Name-drop, not significant discussion of the subject. We also cannot link to, let alone cite, the embedded video on that link (connexion to subject, no editorial oversight, unknown provenance); YouTube videos are only usable if (1) the outlet has an established editorial/fact checking policy and the report is presented by identifiable journalists and (2) the resulting video is uploaded to that outlet's verified channel.
• https://www.britannica.com/biography/Duke-Kahanamoku is a non-sequitur (in other words, Purvey isn't even mentioned, let alone discussed in depth). A source that does not even mention the subject is naturally going to be completely useless as a source on that subject, Wikipedia or no.
• For the Surfer's Journal cite you need to use Template:Cite magazine and cite it as an offline source; the link leads to a "buy this article" page, which is completely useless for practically any purpose related to Wikipedia. We do allow cites to print magazines provided the following information is provided: Publication name, publication edition (i.e. Jan 1923), article name, article byline (i.e. who wrote the article), and the page(s) the article is on. By the same token, we allow cites to books, and require a similar-but-different set of required information for those (title, author, publisher, year of publication, page(s) being cited, and either the ISBN or OCLC#).
• We can't cite online fora and message boards (no editorial oversight). The same applies to any other source which amounts to random people just talking about things (such as Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, Not Always Right, etc.)
• https://ecomalibu.org/bob-purvey-bio/ and https://ugly-garb.com/ugly-enterprises/ are useless for notability (connexion to subject). Anything Purvey (or his associates or organisations) controls doesn't help because we require sources to have no connexion to a subject whatsoever. People lie to aggrandise themselves, whether blatantly or by omission; a disinterested third party is far more likely to present things in a accurate fashion. (Those same third parties writing about a subject is also a good indicator of that subject's notability in the grander scheme of things.)
• https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/losangeles/water_issues/programs/stormwater/municipal/watershed_management/malibu_creek/index.html is a non-sequitur. I should also note that we don't consider government documents/websites to be third-party sources, as their subjects (generally) have a disproportionate amount of input on the page's content.

So much for the sources. Now for the content (which is why the page got deleted this go around):

• An Eclectic Artist - Opinions like this must always be attributed to a third-party source. This should not be in Wikipedia's voice (i.e. it shouldn't come across as Wikipedia saying it).
• By age four he started playing tennis and first showed the qualities of becoming a performer to entertain audiences. - Every claim that could potentially be challenged requires a citation to an in-depth, non-routine, independent news/scholarly source written by an identifiable author and subjected to rigourous fact-checking that can corroborate the claim. If no such source can be found, the claim must be removed in its entirety. This is not negotiable, as the relevant policy has legal implications.
• In 1967, television commercials, magazine ads and notoriety[...] - This is an incomplete sentence.
• Purvey was not the first or the last surfer to try his hand at acting[...] - This entire run-on sentence is irrelevant and adds nothing of substance to the article. It would fit better in an article about surfers in acting in general or on articles about those specific people.
• After returning home to Los Angeles. Bob trained with director and actor[...] - The claims being made here are what I refer to as "notability-by-osmosis", i.e. making an argument for notability based upon the relationships and connexions the subject has. We don't accept notability-by-osmosis, so this does nothing for the draft except make it come across as promotional.
• He advanced by working in London, New York and Los Angeles. - This requires a source of the calibre described above. (I know this is pedantic, considering the film credits do not require citations, but we do need a source that explicitly says this.)
• His film credits include[...] We don't need exhaustive lists of films he's been in, and they don't need to be in prose form, necessarily. Just the most notable films he's worked on can go in a list in a separate section. We also don't require citations for his film appearances as long as he has been credited under his own name or a known pseudonym. (Uncredited roles or unfamiliar pseudonyms still require a cite.)
• Since 1967, he has been a member of the Screen Actors Guild (SAG); Equity in London since 1969, and American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) since 1976. - Both these claims require a cite of the calibre described above.
• Bob also performed in over forty regional and thirty national television commercials[...] - This claim requires a cite of the calibre described above, and the list needs to be removed.
• All this happened through the 70's and part of the 80's, and Purvey divided his time between acting and surfing. - Redundant. The reader should be able to suss this out based on the sources you provide and the prose. It should be patently obvious he's doing this if he's getting credited roles during years where he's winning surfing competitions.
• In 1979, he returned to competitive surfing and won the Church Noseriding Championships. - This claim requires a cite of the calibre described above.
• His endorsement garnered numerous sponsors, including O'Neill, Ugg, Kennedy, Miyata and Images, to name a few. - This list is another notability-by-osmosis claim and needs to be removed as promotional.
• Purvey won the 2nd Morey Pro Noseriding Invitational in 1966[...] This claim requires a cite of the calibre described above.
• [...]helped make famous his Ugly surfboard model, manufactured by Con Surfboards since 1966, which today is considered the measuring stick for most noseriders. - The former half of this sentence requires a cite of the calibre described above that explicitly links this win to that board's popularity. The latter half (...which today[...]) is irrelevant and should be removed.
• [...Malibu Surfrider Beach is] one of the most famous beaches in the world. And, one of the most polluted beaches in the Santa Monica Bay. Mostly irrelevant and the latter half is an incomplete sentence. The "most famous" part can go, while the "most polluted" can be incorporated into the sentence.
• In an effort to remedy the problem, Bob participated in a group that organized to address all the issues of concern with Stakeholders in the Malibu Creek Watershed - a 109 square mile landmass and network of streams that terminate at Surfrider Beach - and come up with an action plan. - This claim requires a cite of the calibre described above, and everything between the endashes can be removed in favour of linking Malibu Creek#Watershed.
• Over the course of the first few years, Bob spoke out about the various violations endured by swimmers and surfers at world famous Malibu Surfrider Beach. - This claim requires a cite of the calibre described above.
• He initiated the organization of the Malibu Lagoon Task Force in 1995 and organized the first "State of the Malibu Creek Watershed Conference" in 1997. - These claims both require cites of the calibre described above; what is presently there, as I've explained already, is deficient.
• Even today, despite certain advancements, Bob presses on to clean up the water at Surfrider, which remains one of the most polluted beaches in the Santa Monica Bay. We can presume he didn't just quit, but this is a situation where expanding on events since the 90's with regards to this that he had a direct hand in would help (provided they're properly cited, of course).
• In 1994, he realized that he wasn't reaching a big enough audience, so Bob turned to the skills he developed as an actor and started producing his first documentary, Malibu Creek and It's Surrounding Watershed, which in 1996 won 3 Falcon Cable awards: Best Producer, Best Communicator and Best Music.^[sic] - No cite is needed for the documentary provided he didn't Alan Smithee out, but the awards part (especially the Best Music one) should be in an article on the documentary, not here.
• Ugly's innovative board short has set a new standard in functionality and contrary to the name - aesthetics. - This claim requires attribution.

And before I forget - anyone who wants to work on this would need to address this literal laundry list of issues, even if they're writing the article from scratch. You cannot just copy-paste stuff you've written for elsewhere (we do not use standard all-rights-reserved copyright, which is completely incompatible) and you cannot make the article into a shrine of adulation. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:29, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I need a writer

I need a writer to edit my bio. The bio has many magazine and video artcles as references. It should be easy for anyone who knows how to navigate the Wikipedia maze and link up the references. The bio is well written and should easily conform to Wikipedia's standards. I own the copyrights. The writers I paid for became frustrated with Wikipedia and burned out. Any writers who can navigate Wikipedia and provide editing sollution out there? Bobpurvey1 (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Another previous, very similar Teahouse post - you may want to review the responses you got there, @Bobpurvey1. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 18:57, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Bobpurvey1 Yes, paid editing, while permitted, is not usually encouraged and many are skeptical of such editors(including, usually, me) Most don't apologize for that, as we are here in our free time volunteering because we believe in this resource.

My advice is that you abandon this effort and allow independent editors to organically take note of your career in independent reliable sources and choose on their own to write an article(not a bio) about you. If they do, it is not for your benefit in any way, and there are in fact good reasons to not want an article. There may be benefits, but those are on the side. 331dot (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks or your time and reply. However, you are wrong in your interpretation. I am not offering to pay a writer from the Teahouse. 2603:8001:9BF0:430:801F:821E:A3C7:CA5B (talk) 19:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Please understand, I am looking into the Teahouse to see if there are any volunteer writers knowledgeable about the Wikipedia maze and who would want to take on the task of linking up the bio and submitting it. I think it would be simple because the bio is practically written and the URL's linking the references are readily available. 2603:8001:9BF0:430:801F:821E:A3C7:CA5B (talk) 19:30, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

We can't use what you've written. It's under Berne-standard all-rights-reserved copyright; Wikipedia uses a licence that allows for reuse for literally any purpose as long as the original writers are credited and any derivative works made with it are released under a functionally identical licence. The two are mutually-exclusive and incompatible. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

IP editor/@Bobpurvey1 (please sign in to your account!), Jéské Couriano has taken a great deal of time to explain in detail, just above, why the sources you have are insufficient. We can't use what you've already written and published, and we can't use your sources to start over. What you're asking would not be the small task you think it is. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 19:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Please understand, giving Ben Marcus credit is not an issue at all. Bobpurvey1 (talk) 20:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bobpurvey1, I don't know what you mean by "giving Ben Marcus credit". No one has mentioned that as a problem. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 20:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read what the Berne standard is. It requires giving credit once a work is "fixed". While Ben was a writer when the work was fixed, I was the authority of the work and paid Ben for his contribution. Thus, I am the producer of the work and copyright owner. So, like I stated, I am willing to give him credit but since I am the producer of the work and responsible for "Fixing" the work (publishing) I am not obligated to give him credit. But I will to avoid any argument with you, if you wish. 2603:8001:9BF0:430:801F:821E:A3C7:CA5B (talk) 20:30, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

You completely misunderstand what I'm saying. We can't use it regardless of whether or not he's credited because all-rights-reserved and Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike are not compatible licences. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

To try to be as explicit as possible: This IMDb bio seems to be a copy of the one you posted here. It was published on IMDb under a license that is incompatible with Wikipedia's. That is the problem. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 20:49, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not a matter of giving the original writer credit. We literally CANNOT accept material published under all-rights-reserved copyright because it is mutually-exclusive with Wikipedia's copyright licence. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:27, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Bobpurvey1 I didn't think you were soliciting us to be paid. I'm encouraging you to abandon attempting to see something written about yourself here. 331dot (talk) 20:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

e/c It seems that competence is required is relevant here, all advice seems to be falling on deaf ears. Theroadislong (talk) 20:38, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Bobpurvey1 now blocked. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Bob, you may be very popular, but you are not notable. No professional, disinterested journalist or biographer has written an in-depth article or book about you anywhere published material can be found. You may have a million YouTube followers or as many Twitter followers; even a billboard in Malibu (I haven't checked), but nobody known for objective coverage, who you don't know, writes about you. If you win a California Assembly seat, you qualify for an article, but you currently need to drop that stick with which you beat a horse which has been dead for some months

Your obvious desperation is a poor reflection on both your character and your reasoning capacity. I somewhat fear that your next step will be to reference your ethnicity re our "racism", to reference your sexuality, or to point out that your country/village is too obscure to be covered in the international media, and that we therefore ought to make an exception and publish your bio. Guilting is ineffective on Wikipedia.

Notability is what we want, and you may achieve it one day. As a surfer, you may be old, but you may live long enough to "make it onto Wikipedia" one day. Should you die, you may, like many others, receive laudatory coverage in obituaries, including in prominent media such as the NY Times or the LA Times. At that point, your career will have reached its end, but, you will likely merit an article in Wikipedia. That is how we roll. Unfortunately, as your board shorts will likely be considered too trivial for mention, we'll be no help with those posthumous royalties. Best--Quisqualis (talk) 21:27, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Burn! Wow - but I can't disagree. As someone who writes about well-known mountain climbers and obscure scientists, it's a sad fact that many only become notable by Wikipedia's standards after they have died and independent people then write about them. Usually in major obituaries. See Martin Moran (climber); Andy Nisbet; Michael Proctor (botanist) and John Webster (mycologist), for example. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Editing wiki article "Priest (writer)"

Brand new editor to Wikipedia, I thought I'd get my feet wet with picking a random article that needed copyediting. Of course the first one I pulled up was a doozy, Priest (writer). The article appears to be full of quotes translated directly from Chinese, and the citations for the most part don't even link back to the original articles correctly due to the way the links are structured. There also seems to be a lot of unnecessary information added by fans, such as the table of works including the specific sexual orientation of romances and whether there are fan-adaptions of the works.

In short, I have no idea how to begin to tackle an article like this. I sort of poked around the style manuals but I couldn't really find anything that provided an obvious answer to these sorts of issues. Are these the sort of articles that end up getting essentially nuked and completely rewritten, and are better suited for intermediate/advanced users? Does this need to be handled by someone who has a good grasp of both English and Chinese languages? Please let me know, I'm eager to learn how to become a better Wikipedia contributor! Mintopop (talk) 19:43, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mintopop, welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for being willing to to work on Wikipedia. Start by just sticking to copyediting, which is correcting for grammar, spelling, readability, or layout, not rewriting the article. See Wikipedia:Basic copyediting for how to do it. The things you are talking about are problems, but they aren't what caused the copyedit notice to be placed on top of the page. Or just move on to another article. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mintopop, having bilingual fluency would make the task of fixing this article much easier for you. However, given that its deficiencies are so gross, machine translations of the sources would probably suffice for your purposes. Feel free to be bold, but first, announce your intentions to other editors by posting in some detail on the article's talk page. I hope none of the fans respond to your post and/or edits with objections, but you may freely and gently respond to them with WP:FANCRUFT arguments should that happen. Good luck! Any problems, ask here at the Teahouse.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@StarryGrandma and @Quisqualis, thank you for your assistance! I've tried to do the best I can to fix things up within my abilities and learned a few things about Wikipedia along the way. Going to just leave it where it is now and hope someone with more experience is able to solve the remaining issues. Thank you for welcoming me to the community! Mintopop (talk) 22:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Help moving a page

Hi. I need help moving The Forever Story (album) to The Forever Story. Only an administator can do that, apparently. The name "The Forever Story" is unambiguous. Castlepalace 19:53, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Castlepalace, and welcome to Wikipedia! I’ve gone ahead and completed that move for you. Cheers! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 19:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Cheers! Castlepalace 20:01, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Please!

Please, I'm so sorry. I accidentally messed up the page for "The Invasion" album by P-Square. I'm so sorry. Please help me fix it, I'm begging you! 2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23 (talk) 01:18, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done. I reverted your edit. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 01:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Best way to add an IP address to a sockpuppet investigation? and protect pages being edited by sockpuppet?

I noticed a revert of a previous edit of mine on Vaishno Devi. The IP that made the revert restored content that was added by a now-blocked user. When I looked at the history of the IP's edits, I saw they edited multiple articles that were also edited by blocked user Keshavv1234. What's the best way to report an IP that is probably the blocked user? And can the pages in question be protected from edits by the IP? Andrew Englehart (talk) 01:59, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Try WP:SPI; just carefully follow the instructions there, Andrew Englehart.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:05, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Quisqualis. I went through the instructions and it looks like this page was updated. Did I do this correctly? Also, should I ask for page protection on the protection requests page, or is it a better strategy to ask for the IP range to be blocked for a while, since multiple IPs are being used from the 103.*.*.* range? Andrew Englehart (talk) 02:31, 21 August 2022 (UTC

I've undone the unredacted edits by those 3 IPs. Hope the blocked user is not feeling too energetic when they realize what happened. It may only be a matter of hours until the IP rangeblock turns on (I hope). Given that it's the weekend in most countries, I'm not requesting protection, though you may do so.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:58, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Help with editing a stub

Hi there. I hope all you teahouse people are having a good day. I'd like to work on expanding Balag. The article currently lists just one source and doesn't contain any inline citations. I'd be more than happy to add inline citations but the source is in Hungarian (which I do not read). I'm aware that on the English Wikipedia that it's perfectly fine to use non-English language sources - it just means I cannot comment on the content that is there. What does one do in this situation? Thanks in advance for your advice. GuineaPigC77 (talk) 04:42, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

GuineaPigC77, the article Balag certainly needs improvement. Two things you may be able to fix:

• Does "harper" mean "harpist", or something else?
• Does "before ersemmas" mean before the ersemmas are sung, in the order of service? Or, historically before the genre of ersemma was invented?

Your task will be much easier if you have access to some relevant sources in a language you can read. Maproom (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Maproom. Yes, I have several sources which I've added under Further Reading in a language I can read, and those will be very helpful. I'm curious whether / how much I can edit what is currently written in the article. For example, if my source doesn't support (or contradicts) something that is written by the previous editor, how do I handle that? GuineaPigC77 (talk) 06:21, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source that contradicts an unsupported statement in the article, you should replace that statement by the supported one (but in your own words), citing your source. Maproom (talk) 07:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

short cut to add edit summaries & issue on Stetson Hatters

is there any shorcut to add edit summaries, i mean adding widely used summaries by me. there seems to external link (FIRA (men's rowing)) in infobox. is it ok to ask multiple questions at a time? or should i create multiple queries. jindam, vani (talk) 06:23, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Jindam vani. In your preferences page, under 'Editing', you can check the first box, which will help provide commonly used edit summaries. But I am not aware of any other tools. You can ask multiple questions in one thread, but keep it clear. Regarding your question about the external link, can you elaborate? Kpddg ^(talk) 06:37, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Kpddg yes, its under "gadgets"... jindam, vani (talk) 08:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

The True History of Covid-19!

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Covid-19 was made many years ago as a UK virus weapon to be used in place of a nuclear one. to help stop destroying our world. our army, navy, and air-force and civil service etc, would take the anti-virus but the invading army would all get ill or die or be weaken from it. it was on a number of documentary's about nuclear weapons and what is to replace them. going back many years. someone else knew about the covid-19 and that it was made with a pig virus and a bat virus forced together in a lab, ie man made. they made a film of it called contagion in 2011. but that took 2 years to make the film. that means they knew back in 2009, they did not know its name. i did before then, and i knew it took 5 years to join the bat and pig virus together. it was only ready as a weapon with a name if they have the anti-virus otherwise its just a test item that wont be mentioned. i knew the name of covid-19 before the film easy. now imagine my shock when PM Boris Johnson told me on tv.... there's a new virus called covid-19....lie! and we will have a anti-virus for it in 6 months time....another lie! the UK had tons of anti-virus ready by 2019. i once worked with citizen advice and still look up things for others, one day saw an item on a Ultra-Nations site (2 letters and rough name are a clue to what site) and there on it was a shocking page, it told me about how they needed a virus to be released because their specialist have worked out at the rate of humans are having their young ie 2-4 kids per family, there wont be enough food for everyone in 100 years time. it then said "the UK PRIME MINISTER HAS NOW ALLOWED COVID-19 TO BE RELEASED" [The only one with the authority to do this] i got all the details from there and it match the documentaries i saw. our PM MR B JOHNSON HAD RELEASED A UK VIRUS WEAPON THEN ALLOWED PEOPLE TO DIE BEFORE HE RELEASED THE ANTI-VIRUS, WHICH HE KNEW HE HAD TONS OF STOCKS OF. I also knew they would keep altering it and issue more anti-virus again and again. they would make money doing that and win public support as saving lives- when in fact they made it and released it, and PM knew he would kill by releasing it. it was stated covid-19/and all its forms would go on for 10 years. we have 7 years left before its stated end date. its 2022 now. everything i said is true. i told the UK MP'S all i knew, they must have checked it- because you can see what happened to the PM, the PM term was cut short by 2 years.

please you must keep my id private, give me a fake name and you wikipedia may contact me or others to contact me if by cost free account if you wish to set it up! this is a true story of covid-19 which many official people have told lies about it. The MP'S know so should the public! the PM lied before his parties shown here! i knew it was a weapon years ago, and a very official site confirmed our PM release it. this is the most important thing recently for you....ive made donations to you before, so i hope you keep my details private but you may contact me wikipedia. 209.93.183.26 (talk) 07:17, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is for summarizing what independent reliable sources say, not what random IP users say is true. 331dot (talk) 07:21, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

To 209.93.183.26 and others - there is a firewall between the foundation that operates Wikipedia and the volunteers that maintain and contribute to it. Whether a person makes contributions or not has no impact on their editing. David notMD (talk) 12:28, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, how to join wiki projects?

I am new as a wiki editor and would like to know the procedure to join a wiki project. Dr.Sayan900 (talk) 07:53, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Dr.Sayan900 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It depends on the project, but most that I know of have no formal joining process, people just declare themselves to have joined. The ones I have seen have lists of members that new members simply add their name to. 331dot (talk) 07:57, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I will try that. Dr.Sayan900 (talk) 08:10, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Dr.Sayan900 You mentioned elsewhere wanting to join the physiology project. See WP:Physio for their Project Page with details and instructions. A full list of science projects is at WP:PROJDIR/S. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

A misplaced article

I have wrote an article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lord_Milner/Lord_Milner_Timeline that I believe is misplaced. It is ready for publishing on wikipedia. Can someone please take a look and publish it or place it back in my sandbox? Thanks so much. Lord Milner (talk) 10:46, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Not commenting on the content, but think this needs to be moved to draft, in the same way that other editors have moved items by Lord Milner to draft in the past. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, 'Lord Milner', Wikipedia editor, has been contributing and creating since July 2020, but is not to be confused with 'Lord Milner' (1854-1925) the subject of this draft. David notMD (talk) 11:50, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Thanks for checking that, I was just going to point to WP:COI! I guess we can assume with relative certainty that these two are not the same... but you never know! On the internet, nobody knows you're a ghost writing an article about yourself. (And believe me I should know, since I am myself an incarnation of Lord Peter Wimsey.) --LordPeterII (talk) 17:37, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

So you're not even a real ghost! ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Rejection of Article

My article was rejected for 2 reasons:

1) It says it is an autobiography, which it is not. It is about my father, James B Taylor III who died in 2003 and was a notable person in business aviation. I am James B Taylor IV but am registered as James B Taylor

2) It says my father is not notable. I provided many articles written about him and his accomplishments. See below. References are at the bottom.

Thanks,

Jim

Extended content

References[edit | edit source] The Legends of Cessna: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1997-Cessna-Book.pdf The Marketing Man – BCA Jan 1994: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1994-01-BCA.pdf Mr. BizJet - Wings of Gold, Spring 1993: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1993-04-WOG.pdf NBAA Awards Program – Sept 1992: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1992-09-24-NBAA.pdf James B Taylor, The Art of the Sell -  AOPA Pilot, Sept 1992: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/JBT3-1992-09-AOPA.pdf Winging It, The Making of the Canadair Challenger: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Winging-It.pdf My Name’s Taylor. I Sell Jets – Professional Pilot, March 1989: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1989-04-PP-2.pdf Taylor Leaves LearJet, All Goals Accomplished - Aviation International News, March 1988: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1988-03-01-Aviation-Intl.pdf Air Force & Gates LearJet Reach Agreement on Purchase of C-21As - LearJet Press Release, Sept 1986: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1986-09-30-Lear.pdf Gate’s LearJet Gears Towards the Future - BCA, Sept 1986: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1986-09-BCA.pdf Gates LearJet Elects James B Taylor Vice Chairman of the Board & CEO - LearJet Press Release, , April 1985: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1985-04-16-Lear.pdf Marketing by Walter Wentz: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/JBT3-1979-Marketing.pdf Selling Paper Airplanes for $4 Million-Plus Each - Industry Week, April 1979,: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1979-04-30-Ind-Week.pdf Corporate Flying, Changing the Way Companies do Business - Business Week, Feb 1978: http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1978-02-06-BW.pdf A Citation in the Cessna Stable - BCA, Nov 1969 : http://gallery.jbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/JBT3-1969-11-BCA.pdf

Jim Taylor 15:27, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jamesbtaylor and welcome to the Teahouse. You provided a link to your sandbox - posting the entirety of its contents here was not necessary, so I've collapsed it and adjusted the headers a bit so they don't mess with the Teahouse's page formatting. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 15:36, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Content now removed as a copyright violation of this. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 15:44, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: to Mr. Taylor, we appreciate your bringing the subject to the attention of editors in the Teahouse. This is exactly the place to ask such a question and we thank you. The issue with such contributions is your connectedness, raising the potential problem of conflict of interest, an essential guideline which I encourage you to read. From a reasonable WP:BEFORE, I have found additional sources I feel reliable and have boldly added them to your sandbox. Based on my cursory search, I believe the subject meets WP:GNG and a worthy biography could be constructed from sources already applied to the sandbox. I suspect that research in databases like newspapers.com might be able to further directly detail the subject. I'm going to cut across the normal grain in this discussion and offer to help you create a policy-compliant draft for someone else to review for possible addition to the pedia. While helpful volunteers here at the Teahouse will be happy to caution you against COI contributions, I see an opportunity to properly utilize the unique advantages of working with a connected editor on what some might view as a WP:MEMORIAL, which Wikipedia discourages for obvious reasons. I may be able to help you navigate the process. You've already learned we take copyright seriously on Wikipedia. Mr. Taylor, would you work with me on the draft? This may take a few weeks, but only a few actual hours of our time. Interested? BusterD (talk) 16:23, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Unacceptable terminology

Apologies for reopening an old can of worms: The article Apex Clubs of Australia, to which I was a major contributor, alludes to several Clubs being involved in spastic children's charities. A member of the public has objected to use of the term "spastic" on the article's talk page, as being hurtful. I replied to the effect that it is historically correct terminology, both clinically and as used by the Clubs. I promised the I.P. I would open the subject for consideration by other editors. Doug butler (talk) 16:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I've changed the text to read "children with cerebral palsy". It is not acceptable to say "spastic children. Polyamorph (talk) 16:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Olfactory Art

Hi there, May I further expand on your wikipedia site on "Olfactory Art", the list of your "olfactory artists" is confusing and should ideally be further defined. Olfactory Art is predominantly Art , perfumers who have merely created commercial fragrances should not really be listed under this umbrella.

I would be interested in discussing this subject in more detail with you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olfactory_art 178.189.58.30 (talk) 16:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in improving Wikipedia. You may be bold and update the Olfactory art article. You may also discuss potential improvements to the article with other interested editors at Talk:Olfactory art. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@178.189.58.30 I have removed two people from the list, whose Wikipedia articles clearly mentioned no artistry. Did you mean those? Feel free to make further edits. --LordPeterII (talk) 17:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Image Upload

Hey lads! I have tried to upload this image below I made this (below) using https://textcraft.net/ which allows you to use the images you make with it to be used on social media, this probably includes Wikipedia userpages, but bruv, it won't let me because it used WIkimedia Commons, it is for my damn userpage, I am very familiar with MediaWiki as I have my own wiki, I just wanna know why it will not let me upload my flipping image.

Below is a link to the picture.

https://postimg.cc/m1xWPY32 DragonsBreathUP2 (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@DragonsBeathUP2: Commons has their own help page: commons:Commons:Help desk. Be sure to include the exact message you received when you tried to upload the image. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 16:58, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Article proposal - meet notability criteria?

Hi all. My father (John William Verrier, deceased) was Manager of the Team GB Olympic Swimming team for the 1972/Munich Olympics, team coach for several other Olympics, Director of Education for the Amateur Swimming Association (ASA, now Swim England), founded the British Coaching Association, and worked for the Federation Internationale de Natation Amateur (FINA) to develop squads from poorer countries following the LA Olympics. He authored 3 books.

I am aware that you don't advise that people write articles where they have personal involvement, but I believe I am mature enough to write a neutral article.

I feel his contribution to UK swimming is material enough to warrant a short obit-style article, but I would like to obtain your opinion. I would obviously need to substantiate this according to Wikipedia standards, but for example: - he was interviewed for a special ITN bulletin billing the 1972 Olympic prep camp as 'the most ambitious training camp in the history of British Sport. He was interviewed on a similar subject by the BBC. - 3 books published - as Director of Coaching for the ASA he focussed on quantitative methods to develop athlete strength & stamina, which (unbelievably now) was not very systematically practiced in GB swimming.

Does this seem to meet the notability criteria? Jonverrier (talk) 17:24, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jonverrier. Please read the Notability guideline for people paying special attention to the requirement for independent coverage. Interviews are not independent and neither are books that he wrote. So, based on the information you have provided so far, it would nor be possible to write an acceptable article about your father. Cullen328 (talk) 17:30, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. I am looking at the guidelines now. I would have thought ITV & BBC, as national UK channels, would qualify as secondary sources on the topic of impact to UK swimming. There are probably others on the ASA website. I will evaluate against the people notability criteria before sinking too much work in.

Either way I note your view & your substantial experience on Wikipedia. Jonverrier (talk) 17:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jonverrier, they are secondary sources. But interviews are not independent. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 17:43, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jonverrier. Thank you for asking, and for being upfront abou your connection. The way I often expain about independence is to observe that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

The other thing I will note is that, even without the confict of interest, writing an article is hard, and people who try it before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works often have a very frustrating time. I see you've been here a couple of years, but you've only made a handful of edits so far. I'd encourage you to put your father aside for a while and do some more improvements to articles, learning what the requirements are. ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

User:Cullen328 is quite correct in their assessment of where your draft is at this time, based on presented sources. I have referred to WP:MEMORIAL in a thread above, as well as conflict of interest. These links may help you understand any wikipedian apprehension about a son writing about his somewhat-notable father. That said, the qualifications you list do not by themselves meet Wikipedia's threshold for notability; WP:NOTABILITY is based largely on sources, not qualifications per se. I'm doing a preliminary gsearch for "John William Verrier" and "John Verrier" +coach. I'm seeing a small number of sources which cumulatively might be argued to meet WP:ANYBIO. Three books written may weigh somewhat towards notability; if we could find a few reviews of such books, these would strengthen the argument for inclusion. If I were you, I would continue to accumulate sources as you can find them and apply links and found sources to the draft as you locate them. That his coaching was done largely in a pre-internet era would mean we're looking for offline sources like journals and newspapers. This source is not immediately useful, but implies information which might be found at more reliable locations. Here is another source which we couldn't normally use, but the head coach's initial brag that we was coached by Verrier seems to imply folks already know how important a figure coach may be to others. So you're looking for sources, and you may well know people (like students of your father) who might help you find such sources. If I were coaching a national Olympic team, I might have had profiles written about me and have been written about by other swimming authors. BusterD (talk) 18:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

FYI, a newspapers.com search for "John Verrier" + coach gives 51 hits between 1950 and 1995, and based on cursory reading, these are all about the swimming coach (and mostly from around 1972), some directly detailing. So there's hope. I want to credit User:ColinFine with an excellent response; it would be wise if an inexperienced editor were to gain experience OUTSIDE their specific personal interest. Not everyone's dad warrants an encyclopedia article; based on a prelim exam, yours may well do so. BusterD (talk) 18:30, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you and @ColinFine for detailed & helpful responses. Jonverrier (talk) 09:31, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

How can I add information to this entry about exhibition games this team played?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1886_St._Louis_Browns_season

I have a newspaper article from the Alton Telegraph, a photo of the ballpark, and a copy of the box score from the paper of one of the games. I think this should be added to this entry but there really is no heading for this information to be added to. Jmhardaway (talk) 19:37, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jimhardaway. The talk page Talk: 1886 St. Louis Browns season would be the best place to discuss this. If nobody looks at that talk page (and there's nothing on it yet), you could drop a note on WT:WikiProject Baseball pointing to the discussion you've started. ColinFine (talk) 20:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jmhardaway, you can always be bold and add a new heading or add the photo wherever you think it's most relevant. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Disruptive editor

Hello, I'm having a problem dealing with a user with confirmed user and rollbacker user rights. He is blatantly whitewashing the Iraqi regime and describing the US occupation of Iraq as the "criminal occupation" in the summary of his edits and also changing rebels to resisters in a battle involving US/Iraqi forces against al-Qaeda. He is also complaining and describing me instead as supporting the occupiers. This problem is happening now in Arabic Wikipedia, but unfortunately no one has done me justice yet. How can I go further? Sakiv (talk) 23:29, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I would settle this on Arabic Wikipedia if I were you. English Wiki isn't connected to other languages AFAIK (though I could be wrong). Liliana ^(UwU) 23:35, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

hi @Sakiv, welcome to the Teahouse. If you have a complaint about another user's behavior here on English Wikipedia, the place to take your complaint (with evidence in the form of diffs) is WP:ANI. No one here can take action on something happening on Arabic Wikipedia - you would have to use their own processes. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 23:36, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, however the English Wikipedia is concerned because those articles have been translated from it. With this, he questions the impartiality of this wiki. Such users who advocates for repressive regime like Saddam, their place is the forums, not here.--Sakiv (talk) 00:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Sakiv, do you have any evidence of bad behavior occurring here, on English Wikipedia? Then WP:ANI is the place to take that evidence. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 00:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't currently have any evidence against him on enwiki. But it is important to warm him quickly, even if he is doing it on another wiki.--Sakiv (talk) 00:50, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Sakiv, if nothing is happening here, there's nothing our processes can do about it. You need to use the processes where the disruption is happening. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 00:53, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

What if they are unwilling to take action on him? I don't know why we don't have an authority or court for all of Wikipedia. He is clearly a propagandist and edits with deep hatred for Iraq's "enemies". He even regards al-Qaeda as a resistance. This has been going on for a while now... Since June. First it was this article ([4], created by me) and now there are tens of them.--Sakiv (talk) 01:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

hi @Sakiv! what if they are willing to take action on them? you won't know until you try.

there's not really anything we can do about them from here in the english wiki if they don't actively edit here. even if they're blocked here, since they don't even use the english wiki, that block will do nothing and they'll remain editing in the arabic wiki. in addition, different-language wikis have different policies and different communities which aren't shared between wikis, so your best bet is using the ar-wiki processes.

there are processes to globally ban people sitewide like Global bans, however these are only used when the user has and is actively disrupting multiple wikis and has already been blocked through the community processes in at least two wikis. 💜  melecie  talk - 01:59, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Sakiv. Editors are not sanctioned for ideology but rather for misbehavior. Melecie is correct that editors who disrupt multiple projects can be globally banned. When you mention all of Wikipedia, you need to keep in mind that each language version is self-governed and has its own policies and guidelines. So, generalizations across all Wikipedia versions are not necessarily accurate. Cullen328 (talk) 02:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello Teahouse,

Recently, I mean, really recently, my new article was put up for speedy deletion for "copyright infringement" from the bettycrocker.com website. 1, I do admit I copy and pasted a portion of what is on that article, but revised some of the words so that it wasn't word by word. Anyways, I'm not sure why they would say the article is already made after I made that page. Their article is about Crocker herself, but merely mentions any information about the 40s, in which she was prominently most popular. But I do see why this would happen, given the similarities.

Yours Truly,

BettyCrocker321 (talk) 00:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Closely paraphrasing a source is still a copyright violation. Write it in your own words. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Copyright issues aside for a moment, why create Draft:Betty Crocker (Character) when its subject seems indistinguishable from that of the article Betty Crocker? -- Hoary (talk) 02:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

How much of this article to delete?

Hi. I'm a new editor (but have done my research).

I found a terrible article. It's about a small, private Indian college. The article reads like a giant advertisement. It's full of unsourced content. Most content I would describe as "not notable".

I'm inclined to prune the article down to basics, to suit a general audience. But I'm not sure there'd be too much left.

Am I being too harsh? I would appreciate feedback from experience editors! Thanks in advance. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 04:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

p.s., I've already deleted quite a bit. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 04:31, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I totally agree with you. The entire article looks like it is written to advertise the college and its facility. For me, its almost like a college brochure and that too without enough citations for most of the information. I will be happy to help if other users agree that it should be trimmed to basic and appropriate information. ANLgrad (talk) 04:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement, @ANLgrad. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 05:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

This should be deleted wholesale. We do not assume secondary education institutes are de facto notable, and so it's possible this article was created before the debates that killed that notion. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 05:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok, most of the article is gone. I believe I was fair.

I expect someone will notice soon enough! -- Doktor Züm (talk) 07:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Doktor Züm You may hear from Wikishooter, who created the article in 2009 and has been editing it as recently as Jan 2022. You were wise to start a dicussion on the Talk page about rationale for your cuts. David notMD (talk) 11:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

External links on OECD Better Life Index page

I realized that there are multiple places in the page where it is linking to their website. I felt these need to be removed as per WP:EL. Also, reference number 8 links to their website. Before making these corrections, I wanted to get some opinions from other users. Also, citations 5, 6 and 7 are to their website and the page seems to rely heavily on citations that are their own website. In my opinion, there should be a notice on top stating that it relies heavily on primary sources and additional citations are required. Should I go ahead and add the notice on top so other users can help the page with appropriate citations? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 04:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

ANLgrad Thanks for wanting to improve that article. You are certainly correct that the EL in the body text should be removed or, if valid sources, converted into citations. The article appears to have an adequate number of secondary sources, although more would be welcome. Primary sources from the OECD, which is a well-known and legitimate organisation are not problematic as such but if you can improve the article, please do so. Adding tags for others to work on is of less use in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull thank you for answering my question and doubt. I will try my best to find more sources and improve the article. If I have any further doubts, I shall post it here. Thank you.

ANLgrad (talk) 10:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I had a question. I am researching and finding more sources for the OECD article. I added a BBC which is WP:RS. I found another one - https://www.thestatesman.com/opinion/the-gdp-paradoxii-1503092058.html

This is not a detailed article about OECD. However, it does mention about it and could be a good secondary source. Would you recommend this could be added? Thank you.@ ANLgrad (talk) 18:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

This is bad...

I recently forgot my Wikipedia password... I barely remember it...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.231.128 (talk) 04:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

If you did not have an email address in your account preferences, and you cannot remember the password, unfortunately you cannot regain access to your old account. You will need to create a new account; once you do, you should identify it as a successor to your old account("Hello, I am User12345, I was previously User6789"). 331dot (talk) 07:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

How to add a picture in living person biographies page

Hi, I want to add a picture. I have the picture as I am the first source but not sure if I can directly upload a picture by giving credit to my wiki ID? Thanks

Pr1311 (talk) 05:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Pr1311, both "I have the picture" and "I am the first source" have various possible meanings. If this is a photograph, were you the photographer? If it is and you were, then go to Wikimedia Commons and upload it there, truthfully saying that it's your own work. Pr1311 will then be credited. (You won't be asked for your real name.) If this is a scan of a photograph, or if the photographer was somebody else, please explain here. Once an image is at Commons you may use it within a Wikipedia article in any language, of course including English. -- Hoary (talk) 07:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks.

Its a picture I have clicked. Pr1311 (talk) 07:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Pr1311 If you mean that you took the picture yourself with your own camera, you can upload it here: [5]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

thank you. Pr1311 (talk) 07:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

While I uploaded the picture on the Wikimedia Commons, I am not able to place it under the info template next to the lead of the article. Can I get help on how to place it correctly. It needs to be placed on the right side, above the crisp bio details like nationality and all. Pr1311 (talk) 08:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Pr1311 I've fixed it for you(you used the entire url which is not needed). So you took that yourself? It is very professional in appearance. I also notice that your username contains "pr" which often means "public relations". Do you work for Mr. Sharma? 331dot (talk) 08:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I work at National Health Authority. As far as this is concerned, it is not part of my work. I am just doing it personally to contribute on Wikipedia. I have started to enjoy this platform so started with Dr Sharma. Thanks for the help. Pr1311 (talk) 08:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Pr1311 Thank you for your answer; this does make you a paid editor under our rules; please read the paid editing policy for information on how to disclose- which is a Terms of Use requirement. I'll also post information about this on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Pr1311 Furthermore, if you work for the Indian government or its agencies, that complicates the issue of copyright, as it could be owned by the government and not you. That depends on what the law is in India regarding copyright of images produced by government employees, which I am not aware of. In the United States, images produced by our federal government are public domain, but that is not the case everywhere. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hon. Victor Ofobrukueta

He's a Nigerian politician and a Pharmacist Ethiopemedia (talk) 07:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ethiopemedia: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia? Do you have any specific questions with regards to editing an article? ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 07:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Or are you suggesting an article be created about Ofobrukueta? You are welcome to try, using guidance at WP:YFA, but new editors are strongly advise to gain experience editing existing articles before attempting a new article. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to create or co-create articles. David notMD (talk) 11:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

If you do not want to create an article yourself, you could add it to the appropriate place in Wikipedia:Requested articles. Kpddg ^(talk) 12:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

...but I would add that requested articles is more like a place for editors who want to create articles to find things to do, not like a place where editors try to write everything on there. Weeklyd3 (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft Review

Hello, Wikipedia!

I'm new here and I would really appreciate if you could tell me how to submit a draft for review? This is the draft I am asking about Draft:Marina Valmont

Thank you! :) Viorelia.c (talk) 09:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Viorelia.c Hello and welcome. I have added the appropriate information to your draft to allow you to submit it; this information is provided if you create a draft via Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Heey,

Thank you for the warm welcoming and for the help. Have an amazing day!

Cheers,

Viorelia Viorelia.c (talk) 09:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Viorelia.c You need to read and pay attention to the mandatory requirements for biographies of living people. In particular, any material likely to be challenged must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source. You have large portions of the text and all of the "early life" and "personal life" sections without any such sourcing. The draft has nil chance of being accepted without sources for verification of the facts stated. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Thanks! Viorelia.c (talk) 10:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Many of the references need to be removed. Saying Valmont did ________ and then having a ref to that person or podcast that makes no mention of Valmont is not a valid ref. David notMD (talk) 12:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Feedback on Festuca ampla

Anyone please send feedback on this article and will surely change on what needs changing. Anyone? Also check my userpage about me if useful. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 10:14, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I've made some edits to the page, you can combine references using the "name=" parameter. Polyamorph (talk) 11:09, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok, i have no idea how to use Wikipedia, please help.....

Hi Everyone,

Could anyone help me out with an article i just drafted?

I wanted to make a page about a robotics company, but it was flagged as being an infringement of copyright. I thought it would be OK if i stated the relevant citations, but i pretty clearly don't know what i am doing.

I must admit i felt very proud when i finished the draft, and now it's flagged for speedy deletion i feel like an idiot.

Anyway, if you have any advice, tips, or suggestions for me don't hesitate to let me know.

Kind regards,

Spidersinthecupboard

Spidersinthecupboard (talk) 10:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

hi @Spidersinthecupboard and welcome to the teahouse! you have to write everything in your own words, you absolutely cannot just copy stuff from another website even if you change it up a bit (unless you are copying direct quotations from a speech, as long as it isn't excessive). copying from another website is a copyright violation and is strictly not allowed. unfortunately that does mean basically starting over if needed. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Apart from what melecie said (WP:COPYPASTE), WP:NORG and WP:YFA may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Spidersinthecupboard, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. As I said to another editor a little way up the page, trying to create a new article as almost the first thing you do is like going to your first violin lesson and then giving a recital. Creating articles is much harder than it looks (and most of the work isn't in what you see - the text - but in the research), and editors who try it before they've got a feel for how Wikipedia works typically have a very frustrating time. I suggest you put Flexiv on one side for a while and come back to it when you've got a few hundred vluable edits under your belt (which are likely to be of more aggregate value to Wikipedia than an article about another company that hasn't so far come enough to anybody's notice that anybody's written an article on it. ColinFine (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Los Angeles Intl Airport reference fix (minor)

Hello. Go to Los Angeles International Airport page. Go to second paragraph where references 4 and 7 are apart. Can you fix so reference citations are together? Cant fix this one. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 12:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Theairportman33531  Done, there was a space between the <ref /> tags. – Berrely • ^T∕_C 12:44, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I NEED HELP FROM APPROVED EDITORS ON WIKIPEDIA

I am a native of ESA ODO town in OBOKUN local government of OSUN State in NIGERIA, WEST AFRICA in the continent of AFRICA . I want someone to help me write a Wikipedia (article) on my town. So that anyone that visit Wikipedia will see the name of my town. Other neighbouring towns are on Wikipedia but I did not see that of ESA ODO my town. Please help me and my people. Ajakayeezekieladekanye (talk) 12:42, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

ESA - ODO

Esa-Odo is a Yoruba town located at the Obokun Local Government Area of the Ijesa North Federal Constituency of Ife/Ijesa Senatorial District of Osun State, South-West of Nigeria. It is a native Ijesa (Ijesha) community and shares boundaries with other towns ; Imesi - Ile, Ilare - Ijesa , Iwoye - Ijesa and Esa - Oke. It's a land very rich in agriculture thus we have Esa - Odo agricultural farm settlement. Here in Esa - Odo we also have the River Osun. Esa - Odo has many industrious sons and daughters in nearly every nations of the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajakayeezekieladekanye (talk • contribs) 13:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, . Ajakayeezekieladekanye, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. There are no "approved editors" - we are all editors, you and me, and tens of thousands of others. You are welcome to create an article on your town (towns are usually assumed to meet Wikiepdia's criteria for notability), but you will still need to find reliable published sources for the information: you cannot just write what you know.

Having said that, creating an article is probably the hardest task there is for an indexperienced editor, so I wouldn't advise trying to do so yet, until you have a few months' experience editing Wikipedia.

I suggest you head to WikiProject Nigeria, where you can link up with other people interested in working on articles on Nigeria. Perhaps you can work with somebody there to get experience of editing, and then create an article on Esa Odo. Before you try to create an article (whether now or later) I advise you to start by reading your first article.

One final point: please don't use lots of CAPITAL LETTERS: a lot of people regard that as SHOUTING. ColinFine (talk) 13:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Easy editing assignments?

Hi, I am a newbie editor and I was trying to help out by doing a few of the "easy assignments" that came across my feed. (I know one subject really well: Electronic literature--the rest, I can help out where I can...). I got Mawuena Trebarh and what appears to be an older version of Digital Commons. Maybe I am just unlucky--but in both of these cases, the problems ran far deeper than a 5 minute clean up for grammar. Is the suggest an edit feature an automated one? or a volunteer-human one? Maybe it would be better to just have a button that volunteer humans can check to note actual articles that could use 5 - 20 minutes from an editor who knows absolutely nothing about the subject? Thanks! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 12:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi LoveElectronicLiterature and welcome to Wikipedia. Yes, the "Suggested Edits" function of the newcomer homepage is generally automated, though it pulls from a category of articles tagged with issues by human editors and finds articles likely to be easy for newcomers. There's not much that can be done in these cases, so it's best to just skip the article. If you're interested in more long-term tasks, the WP:Dashboard and WP:Task Centre are good places to start. – Berrely • ^T∕_C 12:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

LoveElectronicLiterature, thank you for wanting to help Wikipedia. If you want to help it, I imagine that you find it useful (at least some of the time). And if you use it, surely from time to time (or very often) you find strange gaps, unreferenced claims, unparsable sentences, sloppy wording, mistranslations, etc, within the articles that you anyway want to read. I suggest you work on them. If fixing one such article threatens to occupy several days, nobody's obliging you to commit to that: you can instead just spend twenty minutes on it, and some time later perhaps spend twenty minutes more, etc. -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Berrely and Hoary.

I just looked at 10 suggestions, and every single one was flagged but the grammar was basically sound. This easy editing feature is not working--and could be scaring off us newbiews. I wonder if it might be possible to have a human check box for "needs easy editing" and put the human checked ones at the top of the queue? Or at the very least add a warning right under "Suggested edits" in the feed: "Note that these suggestions are automated. We appreciate your editing, but if an article has more complicated issues, please leave a note about those issues on the article's talk page."

I'll stick to what I know. Listing all of the notable electronic literature folks is going to take up enough of my lifetime. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 13:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature I felt similarly when I started. Most of what the homepage was suggesting to me was either perfectly tolerable (sometimes) or a disaster (more often), so it was a bit dispiriting. Joining a wikiproject can be a good way to dip your toe in. Some of these projects have cleanup pages that can help you find simple tasks. Here is the cleanup listing for WP:BOOKS, for example: [6]. This is almost everything that is tagged as a Books article needing attention, so it's very long and may look quite daunting, but several of the categories are the kinds of things that you can fix quickly (or at least quickly determine that they can't be fixed quickly). These tags are what generates the list of assignments you're coming across on the newcomer homepage. If you don't find going through cleanup tags fun (frankly, most people don't), improving articles on electronic literature and ignoring the homepage is the way to go. Glad to see someone working in that topic area, by the way! Literature articles in general need a lot of help. -- asilvering (talk) 22:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

CAN SOMEONE HELP ME CREATE AN ARTICLE ON MY SCHOOL

I am a proprietor of a nursery and primary school. I want an approved editor on Wikipedia to help me submit an article on my school

https://www.flourishandshine.fflonlinesales.com/ Ajakayeezekieladekanye (talk) 12:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ajakayeezekieladekanye: Hello Ajakay and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, unless your school falls under Wikipedia's notability criteria, there won't be an article on it. Also note that Wikipedia is not a platform to give publicity to something or to promote something (see WP:NOT for a list of all the things Wikipedia is not). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Neutral article about a criminal

How do I write an article about a criminal that doesn't violate WP:NPOV? 2A01:36D:1200:4512:3C37:56CB:3185:467 (talk) 13:17, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

You summarize and cite the WP:BLP-good WP:RS you have about that person in a WP:DUE manner. If you have no (or not enough) such sources, write about something else, or somewhere else. See also WP:CRIME. Living criminals are a difficult WP-topic, especially if you have no previous experience in WP-editing, so it is recommended to get some of that first. Knowing how to cite sources properly is essential. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Could you elaborate? Who? Is it just allegations, or has the person been proved to have committed crimes? Are there reliable sources?

Asparagusus (interaction) 13:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Looking at some decent WP-articles about criminals can be helpful for inspiration. Try Category:Criminals by crime. But again, look at good ones. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, my IP changed. The person I want to write about was arrested on cases of child sexual abuse, and was also the member of a pedophile ring. --2A01:36D:1200:4512:C46B:F682:67F8:1177 (talk) 16:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

And what sources do you intend to use? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Gf.me/u/y5jc4h

Hi my name is horace Randy Holt currently residing in lloydminster Saskatchewan canada. 

I know I've sent things in the past and I don't know what to respond on as every one of my devices and accounts are being messed with seemingly as the people around me are going from being friendly to arrogant pricks. I've had issues and I've asked for help but seemingly people just want to toy people or try to entrap people further. I'm currently having issues with my cell phone my Roku my laptops every device in my possessions also all my cell phones I've had before and give out are still having access to my account so people invading my privacy and using it to benefit anybody but myself. Seemingly otherwise there's a lot of people around here getting hurt and the cops aren't reporting it and continually trying to set me up on things. To do with attempted murder back in 2019. I'm looking for help to try secure what's left of my life and to try a closer to my children seemingly as they are dangling kids in front of people as Leverage or to make people listen to what shouldn't be listened to. And I have been giving advice out here as to what should be given as a good human being and people contorting it to either cause harm or act like they're causing harm either way it's wrong because I can't get hurt what needs to be heard in court and I don't know if that's the issue where people are taking advantage of people's genuine kindness. I have to keep reminding myself they ain't helping me by not coming to talk to me so I understand this kind of sounds weird as sending out as an email but I am looking for help still in legal manners of a lawsuit on an attempted murder that's getting covered up. I know there's a lot here but I am looking for any kind of help possible that's basically I'm living one day at a time it's not even living.

I'll say it... lloydminster needs help or is it normal for people to lie about people dieing daily and people setting one another up and crap behaviour being the norm? ..... I'm just a father doing what I can with basically nothing now. Not to forget what has been happening.... just throwing that out there and hi from lloydminster Randy dove (talk) 13:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry if this is way different then what's use to here. I'm alone and getting screwed with literally and worse Randy dove (talk) 13:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Randy dove: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! The Teahouse is friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. Did you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Climate data info graphs

Are the very detailed and informative climate data info graphs being fazed out or replaced? I've seen new "climate data" entries with only small vertical temperature range bars and ZERO other climate data? Is this a intentional systemwide change, or a anomaly?

Changing from detailed informative graphs to difficult to read posts with virtually zero information is EXTREMELY "unhelpful" to say the least.
Is this intentional? 71.193.175.250 (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! in which article/s are the new climate info graphs you're talking about located in? the graphs in The weather in London have both bars {{climate chart}} and tables {{weather box}}, if you're referring to either of them. 💜  melecie  talk - 14:53, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Archiving links automatically

Hi. How do I archive links in an article automatically? What's the correct bot for that? Castlepalace 15:50, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Castlepalace: Hello Castlepalace! The bot you are referring to is Internet Archive Bot. I'm not completely sure hwo it works as I know it will archive pages automatically, however there is a tool that will allow you to archive a page manually with the bot. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Does a double murderer meet wikipedias notability requirements

i was wondering if a double murder met Wikipedia's notability standards, Brittany Vontress is the individual in dire need of an article

I checked if there wasn't already an article and there wasn't but my checking skills are lacking Caucasianhamburger (talk) 16:17, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

No murder, double or otherwise is inherently notable. And I see no evidence that Brittany Vontress or the murder is notable. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Caucasianhamburger, and welcome to the Teahouse. Notability as Wikipedia uses the word isn't about what a subject is or has done, but almost entirely about the quantity and quality of what has been written about the subject. ColinFine (talk) 16:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2) Hello Caucasianhamburger. Any subject will have to meet the notability guidelines, have significant coverage, be backed with reliable sources, and comply with the biographies of living persons policy. In this case, it should also meet WP:CRIME and WP:NCRIME. Kpddg ^(talk) 16:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Caucasianhamburger. I found a newspaper article that says she pleaded guilty to "aiding kidnapping with a deadly weapon", and did not know the victim would be killed, so calling her a double murderer is incorrect. Our notability guideline for people says that a perpetrator of a crime should have an article only if The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role. That does not seem to be the case here. Cullen328 (talk) 16:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Earn money from Wikipedia

Hi.How can I earn money by contributing to Wikipedia? EVRRVE. (talk) 17:09, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@EVRRVE.: Welcome to the Teahouse. In short, you don't. The project is volunteer-driven, and no one receives monetary compensation for their work on here. There are some contests that run every once in a while that might offer gift cards to winners, but that's about it, as far as I'm aware. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

How to do footnotes rather than inline citations

Hi there. My article keeps getting rejected because they say I don't need inline citations, but footnotes. I don't see a footnote choice anywhere! How can I change them from References to Footnotes??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jess_Wells#References Desa062956boomer (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the footnotes as you are doing them (although I haven't checked them as being reliable sources or including the material) but there are multiple sections without any references at all. I have added "unsourced section" templates and a CN tag to these to highlight what you should be concentrating on. - Arjayay (talk) 18:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I really appreciate it. Desa062956boomer (talk) 18:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Online channels tv

Hello! Add info, please in this article (table): 2022 European Championships Станислав Савченко (talk) 19:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. If you have a suggestion to improve an article, please start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Request to add more photos on articles without photos

Dear coordinator,

I am contributing to #WPWP but I was stopped whenever I reached 25. I was sent a post that I cannot do more than 25 in a day. I wrote through Talk, requesting for the sanction to be removed and allow me for at least 50 photos. I was told it has been approved but it is not, indeed. I was stopped again last night at 25 photos.

Please, that approval for 50 photos has not been validated. The order was given or rather spoken without action. Wikimedia is supposed to be a friendly space but it turns out to be frustrating and demoralizing space. This is not good for movement strategy and inclusive editing. I request that this sanction is removed for me. Please allow me to add at least 50 photos to articles without photos. Without the sanction I can add up to 100 a day. Please free my username. Thank you. Ngostary2k (talk) 21:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I've never heard of this limit, but I'm sure that it is in Commons, rather than here, so you should ask at c:Com:Help desk. My guess is that it is a limitation in the software, not a settable value in the user interface (but I may be wrong). If I'm right, even Commons admins won't be able to change it for you. ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ngostary2k, welcome to the Teahouse. Looks like you've hit the edit filter which serves to throttle contributions tagged with #WPWP. This is due to disruption the contest has caused on English Wikipedia in the past. I don't see any discussion in which you were given approval for the throttle to be lifted for your specific edits (I'm not even sure such a thing is possible) - this discussion on your talk page is about the Upload Wizard on Commons, not about the edit filter. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 20:18, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, @Ngostary2k, I see you were asking for an example of what not to put in an infobox, image-link-wise. Look at this diff to see what you entered and what Kj cheetham corrected your entry to read. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 20:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Citing with Kindle

When referencing a book accessed on Kindle, is there anything special that should be done with the cite? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 20:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC) Pete Best Beatles (talk) 20:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Nope - you cite it like you would a printed book. How the book is accessed ultimately matters little; we'd still need the title, author, publisher, year of publication, page(s) being cited, and ISBN/OCLC#. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hockessin, Delaware map

Your map of Hockessin, Delaware which is the 19707 zipcode, includes parts of the 19807 zipcode, which is Wilmington, Delaware 2601:45:500:2435:39A8:8BE:C99F:7F6B (talk) 20:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Raymond Wadsworth Walters

Hello: I have been researching the life of Raymond Wadsworth Walters (1885-1970), the longest serving President of the University of Cincinnati for several years. There is a very brief Wikipedia entry on him with the barest of factual details. Raymond Walters I have published several articles about aspects of Walters' life, read the entire contents of his diaries (1925-1960), and other related research. I hope to turn all this hard work into a biography of the man at some point, but I thought, given my wealth of knowledge of a public figure that lived a mostly unnoticed life, it might be fun to write my first Wikipedia entry.

I want to know how to embed headers in my essay and footnotes for my sources.

Do I want to add on to the existing article or create a new one?

Full disclosure, I am my brain freezes up when confronted with lots of instructions. The easier and more user friendly you are able to keep the instructions, the better for me.

Thanks in advance for your help. I am excited to get started on this new project.

Cordially,

Bob Miller, PhD

Department of History

University of Cincinnati Historyprof1959 (talk) 20:59, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Historyprof1959, welcome to the Teahouse. The most easy and user-friendly way to get familiar with how Wikipedia works is (arguably) the Wikipedia Adventure. I say "arguably" because it's not entirely bug-free and doesn't support the visual editor. There's also this series of tutorials which tries to keep things simple and easy to navigate.

Once you've run through one or more of those, I'd recommend simply editing the existing article; a complete overhaul is a complex and difficult task. Start small. If you have ready access to good sources (in our sense of "good", i.e. reliable, independent, published sources), add a few sentences of properly cited, paraphrased information from them to the article. Note that citing your own work should be done with caution. Once you've got the hang of things, you can expand more boldly. And always feel free to ask questions here! 97.113.27.216 (talk) 21:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Historyprof1959, in its current state, the article Raymond Walters is dismal. It doesn't even succeed in its very modest ambition, having him "comply" stuff he presumably had compiled. Yes, you could make unambitious alterations and augmentations, till you've got the hang of this and can confidently make sweeping changes. Even better: Put Walters aside for a while and, of course using reliable sources, try improving the extraordinarily feeble article ("stub", as it's called hereabouts) on one of his successors, Henry R. Winkler. Meanwhile, some essential reading for you: Wikipedia:Expert editors. -- Hoary (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Richard III of England

Hi, my name is Matthew Leinheiser and I would just like to make it known that someone has vandalized the article on Richard III of England. They falsely claimed he was the first ever transgender king and added a photo that had altered him to look like a modern day school girl. 47.195.2.191 (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

It looks like another editor has been steadily reverting them. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:20, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding images

Hi, I am making a Google "clone" on my userpage using basic mediawiki stuff, am I able to upload images either to commons or on Wikipedia itself for use on my page? There are some images that aren't on Wikipedia that I need on my userpage. Let me know what I should do, thanks. HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@HolyNetworkAdapter: Find somewhere else to do this. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I think I can just not use those other images, sacrificing looks but its OK. Thanks for the suggestion though. -- HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 23:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Nedeljko Čabrinović

Hey there!

I need some suggestions regarding this draft. My main focus is on the assassination, however you can give me any suggestions or problems in the article. Have a good day-er, night. :) Sarrail (talk) 23:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Sarrail, I don't discern any significance other than being one of seven people who conspired toward Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. How would an article on him be helpful? -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Wasn't he the one throwing the bomb at the Archduke? The other six have notable features that were promoted to an article, why not Čabrinović? On top of this, there may be reliable sources of Čabrinović. I don't know if I should abandon the articleship, or keep continuing. @Hoary:, I am open to your answer. Sarrail (talk) 23:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I haven't looked at any of these six articles, Sarrail. I also know nothing about Čabrinović and am quite willing to believe that there's plenty more to say about him. Forget the other six articles/people, and ask yourself if there is more of consequence to say about Čabrinović. If there is, then continue. -- Hoary (talk) 00:41, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Maintenance templates

Is it possible to see a list of articles that currently have a specific maintenance template within a specific wikiproject. For instance, would it be possible to get a list of all pages with a citations needed template associated with WP:POD? TipsyElephant (talk) 00:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Metaverse

Are any of you alive out there or is everyone part of the Raphaimite hive mind now? 71.115.86.235 (talk) 00:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)