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This is the discussion page for the In the news section of the Main Page, referred to as ITN. If you are new to ITN, please read the criteria and procedures that guide ITN and its updates. The most important thing to remember is that ITN does not act as a newspaper or an obituary; it provides links to encyclopedia articles that have been updated to reflect important current events, and that have a reasonable amount of information on the topic.

Quick guide

Protesters in South Korea

South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol declares martial law (protests pictured) and lifts it hours later after a vote by the National Assembly.
Syrian opposition forces enter Aleppo in the first offensive since the 2020 ceasefire.
Israel and Lebanon agree to a 60-day ceasefire to halt the current hostilities.
In motorsport, Thierry Neuville and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship.

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If you have already read the criteria page, here is the quick guide:

For an item to appear on ITN, a relevant article must be updated and a blurb added to Portal:Current events or one of its subpages.
The event has to be important enough to merit updating the article and should be of international import, or at least interest.
If you are not an admin, have updated an article with an item that you feel is of international significance and put a blurb on Current events, suggest the item at the candidates page.
If you are an admin, familiarize yourself with both the Criteria and Admin guidelines. In particular, please pay close attention to the procedure for images.

International Crisis Organisation

Who on earth are they? They don't look notable enough to have their opinions voiced by ITN. --90.240.102.48 00:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the articles? They're a well-regarded international non-governmental organization. The government of Turkmenistan didn't allow international observers to monitor their election; in the absence of monitors, NGOs like the ICG are as good as it gets. If we remove the clause indicating that reliable international organizations consider the election fraudulent, we would give the false impression that Berdimuhammedow was elected in a legitimate election. Which, by all accounts, he wasn't. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're mixing opinions with facts. --90.240.102.48 04:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And we'd be doing the same thing if we merely said "Berdimuhammedow was elected", because "elected" implies some sort of fair democratic process. Doesn't it? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So is that an admittance? --90.240.102.48 16:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's an admittance that I was trying to reflect a neutral point of view in ITN. If I had added the statement "Berdimuhammedow was elected" without any qualification, that would have placed undue weight on the dubious claims of the government of Turkmenistan. It is possible that the mention of the ICG's views put too much weight in the opposite direction. Since the item is no longer on ITN, the discussion is moot, but in future it would be helpful to suggest an alternative wording, if you disagree with the wording of an ITN item.—Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 15:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice tactic you have here, waiting until the item is gone before you respond. I hate admins. --90.240.102.48 13:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Add Blizzard, Remove Grammies

The 49th Annual Grammy Awards are old news now. Can we replace it with something more timely and news-worthy such as the Eastern North America Valentine's Day Blizzard, which has killed 16 people and dumped over a foot of snow or more across much of the Ohio Valley and Northeast, glazed over Virginia in a sheet of ice, and spawned tornadoes in New Orleans, becoming one of the most violent February blizzards on record. --Abog 01:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't really the best place for this discussion: WP:ITN/C would be better.
I'd support adding the blizzard iff it's being given substantial international coverage. We didn't highlight the flooding in Jakarta a few weeks back, and it would be a bit US-centric to add the blizzard now if it's not of sufficient international interest. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update: a Google News search shows that it's being covered in the UK, Canada and Australia, but not many other countries. I'd like to hear other opinions about whether this is ITN-worthy or not. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Channel News Asia

Turkish Press

News 24 South Africa

Although these appear to be older news stories from yesterday (the death figures are lower), it is indeed an international-reaching news event. --Abog 02:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just a point (again) items in ITN are only "removed" by newer items added to the top of the list pushing older items off the bottom. There's currently 3 older items than the Grammies story. --Monotonehell 03:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yeah — if something is replaced it'll be the Dutch cabinet. (Government, that is, not item of furniture.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lol you leave my dutch cabinet alone, it's where I keep all my clogs, peffernusen and bittleballen! --Monotonehell 06:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing better than making fun of us Dutchies, is there? ;) A ecis^Brievenbus 17:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This story may prove interesting. Xiner (talk, email) 18:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

North Korean flag

Isn't it out of place beside the North American blizzard item? Caerwine Caer’s whines 09:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image is used for another story below. --Howard the Duck 17:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It turns out North Korea is not developing nuclear weapons, they are developing a weather machine. —Centrx→talk • 18:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Man, I'm glad the Korean flag was replaced with the current image of carnage on ITN. That picture really hits you with the lethality of the blizzard. --90.240.102.48 19:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've replaced it with a slightly more dramatic image. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Storm of International importance/interest ?

Criteria No.3 for news entries stipulate that "It should be a story of an(sic) international importance, or at least interest". It appears to me that the storm in the United States and the resultant loss, however unfortunate, is only of national importance to a particular country.

It does not appear prominantly on websites of some (random) international news agencies such as BBC(UK), NDTV(India), Japan Today(Japan) or Buenos Aires Herald (Argentina).

Could someone help me understand how this is of international importance /interest.

Thanks.Chocolate Horlicks 07:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above contains links to coverage of the blizzard in international media. Also, although it's no longer on the front page of the BBC's news site, it was there for a period yesterday. (Their most recent story is here.) I believe that it was prominently displayed on other international news sites yesterday (when it was fresh news — it's mostly over now). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, Thanks. Chocolate Horlicks 03:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

interwiki

please put an interwiki link to yiddish template.

[[yi:אקטועלע ארטיקלן]] thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yidisheryid (talk • contribs) 21:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Added, but that link seems to be to a blank page. Is there a typo? (I can barely sound out Hebrew with the vowels, and so wouldn't be able to tell if it was misspelled or something.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The מוסטער (template) namespace was missing; I have fixed the interwiki link so it is yi:מוסטער:אקטועלע ארטיקלן. -- tariqabjotu 05:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture problem

a big tragedy has occured and the train bombing picture has not yet been displayed on main page pl change it.User talk:Yousaf465

Pl find some Pic which can be used on main page and place it there.User talk:Yousaf465

The problem is that we can only use freely licensed images on the front page, and there don't seem to be any of the train bombing. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An item?

Romano Prodi just resigned. That seems pretty important. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 20:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Specificity of images

British soldiers in Iraq

I had added Image:Land Rover Defender 110 patrol vehicles Crop2.jpg to ITN to illustrate the British troop withdrawal story. David Levy (talk · contribs) removed it, in part because I had made it too large (at 110 px — fair enough), and in part because "unless those specific soldiers are among the 1,600, the image is misleading". I'm not sure that the latter reason holds up. It was illustrating the concept of "British troops in Iraq", not claiming that these specific soldiers were among those being redeployed. I tend to think that a photograph illustrating one aspect of a larger issue is better than a generic one of a politician, or a flag. What's our guideline on this sort of question? Do we have one? What do other people think? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather have a picture of Romano Prodi back on ITN. --PFHLai 17:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently there were license problems with the Prodi images that were up earlier. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about this one, Commons:Image:RomanoProdi cropped 2june2006 049.jpg (right) ? --PFHLai 00:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit blurry, but I'm OK with it if others are. It seems slightly odd to replace a picture accompanying the first ITN story with one accompanying the third, but I suppose Blair is more overexposed than Prodi, and he's not really what the first story is about. Use your judgment. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since I've updated the Prodi story with Napolitano's refusal of Prodi's resignation, I've put PFHLai's Prodi picture up. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that's User:Jollyroger's Prodi pic. I just cropped it. BTW, Image:CycloneFavio 2007Feb22 annotated.jpg (left) may be another option. Either one is better than Blair's pic, I suppose. --PFHLai 22:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Prodi pic is probably a better choice. It's always good to feature a photo by a fellow Wikipedian on MainPage. --PFHLai 22:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Timing of election items?

What's our practice been for posting items about elections in progress? I was thinking of putting an item about today's election in Senegal up, but then thought that it might be better to wait until after the polling has closed. What has the precedent for this sort of thing been? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I've seen, standard practice is to not mention elections in ITN until they are resolved and the results can be verified (Unless some extraordinary event has interrupted the process). Doing so is a bit too close to reporting news. --Monotonehell 12:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::So is that an admittance? --[[User:90.240.102.48|90.240.102.48]] 16:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 :::::It's an admittance that I was trying to reflect a neutral point of view in ITN. If I had added the statement "Berdimuhammedow was elected" without any qualification, that would have placed [[WP:NPOV#Undue weight|undue weight]] on the dubious claims of the government of Turkmenistan.  It is possible that the mention of the ICG's views put too much weight in the opposite direction. Since the item is no longer on ITN, the discussion is moot, but in future it would be helpful to suggest an alternative wording, if you disagree with the wording of an ITN item.—[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 15:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
+::::::Nice tactic you have here, waiting until the item is gone before you respond. I hate admins. --[[User:90.240.102.48|90.240.102.48]] 13:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 == Add Blizzard, Remove Grammies ==