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References and templates not loading

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T214273

I was in the process of using the tool today to add a reference. When trying to add, I noticed none of the other references on the article were loading. When trying to paste in a new URL to add, none of the templates "cite web, cite news, etc" were loading either. Is this a common error? Red Director (talk) 18:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Having the same issue. No templates available and the list of existing references is 0. SunnyLetO (talk) 19:35, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Also noticed this. It has been useless for a few days because of this. - R9tgokunks ⭕ 21:17, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

I forgot how to manually do citations.. someone please fix this!--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:05, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Started a bug report (see tracking link)--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:16, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the bug report. After some research, it looks like the cause is phab:T213953 which is tagged as "Unbreak now!". Let's give the team a bit more time to fix it. --Sophivorus (talk) 02:27, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Looks like the gadget is working now. Thanks to all that worked on it! Red Director (talk) 22:54, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Anyone else running into trouble again? I can't get it to load. Snickers2686 (talk) 18:37, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

The add button does not work for me. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

cite wikisource

Hi, I couldnot find the cite wikisource template in the prove it gadget. Is it possible to add them too? -- Balaji ^{(Let's talk)} 18:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Disabling or at least changing automatic edit summaries

I tried using this bit of code on my JavaScript page, having found it in the archives:

proveit.shouldAddSummary = false;

Being a good boy, I had gone looking to make sure I wasn't beating a dead horse by starting a new thread on this topic, but it seems this code did not work, at least not the way I thought it did. If it can't be disabled, can we at least change it? Right now it just says a reference was "edited" with ProveIt, but this implies an existing reference was changed via ProveIt, without implying whether a new one altogether were added yet both are possible with ProveIt. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 22:08, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Cite news and cite magazine

Is it possible to make the fields "authorlink", "archiveurl", "archivedate" and "deadurl" readily available in cite news as it is in cite web? Also, the field "chapter" must be removed from cite magazine as it is not recognised by the template's documentation.--Kailash29792 (talk) 04:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Function request - Integrate with Reference Tooltips

It would really be great to add ProveIt to Reference Tooltips. I'll explain what I mean by describing the desired user experience.

A. To prevent abuse, have this option disabled by default B. Logged in users can turn it on from preferences, and then.... C. QUESTION... if edit mode has an editing window, what do we call "reading mode"? Well I'll use "reading window" to continue... D. In the reading window, if I hover over a reference footnote, I tooltips appears. E. I would like a button in the tooltips pop that would

1. Flip to edit mode

2. Automatically go to the reference

3. Automatically open the proveit window for that reference

4. It would be really nice if there were also a way to save changes and go back to the reading window where I left off, but that might be asking for the moon.

NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:21, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Add button

Although the template now works, I cannot add new references via ProveIt. Only edit existing ones, which is not enough. Is there anything being done about this? --Kailash29792 (talk) 07:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I too have found this, I just tried to add a tweet as a reference to Danniella Westbrook, when I clicked on "add" nothing happened. Had to copy and paste the template manually. In case it helps I'm editing using a Samsung Chromebook. Kailash29792 are you also using Chrome or another operating system?-- 5 albert square (talk) 14:41, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Chrome is my primary browser. Now the add button works erratically. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:02, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Well, I just tried it just now and sometimes just the "add" button wouldn't work. Other times that didn't work and it didn't pick up that there were other references either. I've installed the classic ProveIt now and that seems to be working - the only trouble is that's outdated. It doesn't have anything like cite tweet etc.-- 5 albert square (talk) 19:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

MaxVeers tagging you in this as you're the team lead for ProveIt.-- 5 albert square (talk) 19:30, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@Kailash29792 and 5 albert square: I'm looking into it. I think it may actually be related to changes in the TemplateData API. I requested permissions to be able to edit the gadget code, as my previous permissions expired. Support would be useful, thanks! Sophivorus (talk) 19:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@Sophivorus: it looks like you have a response on that page!-- 5 albert square (talk) 21:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@5 albert square and Kailash29792: Well I got the global interface permission and I fixed an issue that seems to have been the cause of the Add button bug. However I'm not 100% sure as I was getting this bug only erratically. Please confirm with your own experience and let me know. Cheers! --Sophivorus (talk) 17:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Now I am able to add refs normally, but ProveIt shows List (0) whenever I try to edit a section that contains refs using {{cite episode}} and {{cite tweet}}. --Kailash29792 (talk) 18:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Works ok for me but I only used template citenews. Can't confirm if the others work ok.-- 5 albert square (talk) 19:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Grant to enhance the gadget

I just requested a rapid grant to enhance the gadget. The general reasons are explained there, but I'd like to mention that part of the time will be spent in doing the fixes and enhancements you request here. Please feel free to add any comments, questions, requests and endorsements, thanks! --Sophivorus (talk) 16:54, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I'd like to request the gadget be expanded to include all existing Citation Style 1 templates. It would also be awesome if there was somehow a built-in functionality to auto-archive a url to wayback machine and archive.today. I have a browser plugin to do that right now, but I mostly use it when editing sources with ProveIt. -Furicorn (talk) 19:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@Sophivorus: any thoughts on the enhancement for built-in archiving functionality? -Furicorn (talk) 04:19, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Furicorn: Definitely doable, if the grant gets approved (thanks for the support, btw). I can imagine a button next to the URL fields (similar to the "Today" button in date fields, that changes a URL for it's latest version in the WayBack machine. Sounds good? Sophivorus (talk) 12:24, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Sophivorus: No worries, happy to help you help me! I think your suggestion is a fine place to start, but I was thinking something more like this add-on: it adds a button to my browser that lets me archive a page in its current state. It would be great if I could save a step and archive directly from within Wikipedia. Even better would be if (similar to the add-on) it could also look at archive.is in cases where the link is dead and Wayback Machine doesn't have a save. -Furicorn (talk) 12:47, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi! It seems like the evaluator misunderstood the grant proposal, rejected it out of said misunderstanding, and now ignores all clarifications given on the grant talk page. For anyone interested in seeing this grant granted, you may want to check it out. Cheers! Sophivorus (talk) 15:21, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

ProveIt reverses author order from PLOS one

Hi,

Using ProveIt with URL https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0213314 produces

Glaw, Frank; Vences, Miguel; Crottini, Angelica; Roberts, Sam Hyde; Glos, Julian; Ndriantsoa, Serge H.; Rödel, Mark-Oliver; Riemann, Jana C.; Rakotoarison, Andolalao (2019-03-27). "Morphological and ecological convergence at the lower size limit for vertebrates highlighted by five new miniaturised microhylid frog species from three different Madagascan genera". PLOS ONE. 14 (3): e0213314. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0213314. ISSN 1932-6203.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

which reverses the author order for authors 3 to 11 and drops the first 2

Hi I removed your <ref> tags so it shows the reversal your trying to demonstrate, and doesn't throw the references to the bottom of the talk page. -Furicorn (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Newystats I also took a look at your issue, I think your problem is not with ProveIt. ProveIt just fills in {{Cite journal}}, so I think the bug is with {{Cite journal}}. Help talk:Citation Style 1 is a better place to mention this bug, although I don't know how responsive they are. -Furicorn (talk) 09:17, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

The cite journal template is rendering correctly here. If ProveIt is omitting listed authors and putting others in the wrong order, it is likely that there is a bug in ProveIt or that the data it is being fed is formatted incorrectly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:11, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Template:Cite episode

Sophivorus, whenever I load this template via ProveIt, it only shows too fields readily: "series" and "source date". Is it possible to make other fields like "episode title", "episode article", "series article", "network", "season number" and "episode number" too readily available? Whenever citing an episode as a source, these particular fields are necessary to fill. --Kailash29792 (talk) 12:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: I think the reason only two show up is because ProveIt reads the TemplateData as entered. You can see the TemplateData if you scroll to the bottom of Template:Cite episode. It looks like whoever setup the template data only marked two fields as required, and none as suggested. I tried editing it for you to make the ones you mentioned "suggested": true, but I kept getting JSON errors when I previewed it. You might have to ask for help on the talk page for that template, or on Wikipedia talk:TemplateData. -Furicorn (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

How do I switch references from one to another easily?

As the title refers. Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 22:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Suggested wording change

Reference(s) edited with ProveIt instead of "Reference edited with ProveIt". I often add/edit more than one reference when I use the tool. WanderingWanda (talk) 04:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Honestly, I feel there shouldn't even be an edit summary saying something like "Reference(s) edited with ProveIt". Because there is always "Tag: ProveIt edit" whenever you make an edit with the gadget. --Kailash29792 (talk) 04:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree. It just makes for a wordier, less readable summary. But if this text is added, please also include a space before it. RockMagnetist(talk) 16:06, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree that the edit summary is generally useless. It can be removed on a per-wiki basis by deleting the proveit-summary config option in the initialization script. I can do that if no one opposes. However, I just noticed that the "Tag: ProveIt edit" links to meta:Grants:IEG/Enhance the ProveIt gadget but should probably link to Wikipedia:ProveIt. That I cannot change myself and we should request a fix to an authorized user. Agree? Sophivorus (talk) 13:59, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Certainly. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't have known about ProveIt, Twinkle, or many other tools unless if was in the edit summary. I think keeping it is helpful, especially for new editors.MartinezMD (talk) 15:15, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

oclc, worldcat, |location=, |place=

This edit created this:

{{Cite book |url=https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/959610992 |title=Archaeology and Homeric epic |last=Sherratt |first=Susan |last2=Bennet |first2=John |publisher=Oxbow Books |year=2017 |isbn=9781785702969 |location=Oxford |pages=127 |oclc=959610992 |place=Oxford}}

Sherratt, Susan; Bennet, John (2017). Archaeology and Homeric epic. Oxford: Oxbow Books. p. 127. ISBN 9781785702969. OCLC 959610992. {{cite book}}: More than one of |location= and |place= specified (help)

In cs1|2, |location= and |place= are synonymous aliases. As the error message shows, having both in the same citation is not allowed.

When a cs1|2 template has |oclc=, setting |url= to point at the same oclc identifier is redundant. |url= should link to free-to-read sources; WorldCat urls rarely if ever, link to free-to-read sources. Yeah, from WorldCat is is sometimes possible to link to a Google books preview of a book but that can also be done through Special:BookSources/<isbn> (which also includes a link to WorldCat).

Please refrain from adding synonymous parameters and from adding WorldCat urls to |url=.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:45, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Correct date format for Month Year.

When citing an academic paper, like doi:10.1016/j.ijpharm.2017.02.063 it gets Month Year in this format: 2017-4

Wikipedia currently doesn't support it, see it here: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Dates,_months,_and_years

I would suggest to be written: May 2017, or abbreviated when needed, like Sep, Oct, Nov, etc.

—Arthurfragoso (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Automatic retrieve other information: PMID, PMC, ISSN and publisher.

I don't know how you retrieve information, but most medical and biochemical articles have a PMID, and some have a PMC.

Provided a DOI number, it's possible to get the other IDs at: [1]

Usually the .ris file provided by Google Scholar usually also contains the ISSN and the publisher.

I also found this API: https://api.altmetric.com/v1/doi/10.1007/s00424-017-2061-4

The problem is what could be done when two ISSN is resulted? We assign only the first?

But automatically retrieving just PMID and PMC would already be great!

Thanks!

—Arthurfragoso (talk) 22:46, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I looked at the code, and probably it's better to ask citoid for that, so I did: [2] —Arthurfragoso (talk) 03:10, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

It's now fixed the the Wikipedia retrieving from NIH servers. Enjoy! :) —Arthurfragoso (talk) 22:02, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Grant granted

Hi! Just wanted to let you know that the grant for improving the gadget I requested was finally approved. In the coming two months I'll be working on the gadget intensively, so it's the best time to do all the feature requests and bug reports you want, but PLEASE do them at the Phabricator project, not here. I'm starting with the most difficult and radical change, namely to add support for the visual editor and the new wikitext editor. After that, I'll focus on adding requested features and fixing reported bugs. Thanks for your help and support! Sophivorus (talk) 14:09, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Finally, after much work and delays, I've updated ProveIt. For now it's only enabled here on the English Wikipedia, so please let me know of any bugs so that I may fix them before updating other wikis. I've only been able to test it on the latest Chrome, so I'm particularly interested to know if it works well on other browsers. The main change introduced by the new version is that it now works with the new wikitext editor, check it out! If the page is too big or your computer too slow, changes done via ProveIt on the new wikitext editor may take some seconds, but should work. Also there're some interface changes, a couple new features and optimizations, minor bug fixes, and huge internal architectural changes required for the new wikitext editor. I hope you like it. From now on, if all goes well, I'll be working mainly on bug fixes, feature requests, and spreading the gadget to new wikis. Cheers! Sophivorus (talk) 16:40, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Congrats and thanks! What a great tool NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:54, 3 September 2019 (UTC)