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September 3

Articles about legal self-representation

I was trying to look up the topic of representing oneself in court and found two articles, one devoted to the legal situation in the USA, the other devoted to the UK. What can be done to give coverage to other countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.? Muzilon (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@Muzilon: Our articles are written by volunteers who are interested in the subject, such as yourself. Please see WP:YFA on how to proceed. -Arch dude (talk)

I'm afraid I'm in no position to write such an article myself, so I've added it to the Requested Articles page. Muzilon (talk) 09:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Capital punishment in Ethiopia

Please moved the Draft:Capital punishment in Ethiopia to Capital punishment in Ethiopia. Technically unable to move due to redirect. The Supermind (talk) 11:16, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

The Supermind, you can use Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. TSventon (talk) 11:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@TSventon: I guess that can be happened there! I do not prefer request moves because the draft, posted yesterday, is still there with unknown reason. I've added additional citations as admin recommend me in notice and that's disappointing why things changed to controversial then. The Supermind (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@The Supermind And Teahouse hosts... Was this draft submitted to AfC? Should it be? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:47, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

No, I want review of any single administrator rather than pending for review for months. The Supermind (talk) 06:56, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

User:The Supermind , pending review is the optimal fate for drafts tagged for problems. It gives the creator time to improve the draft prior to a second review.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:50, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I would agree that the current article is not fit for mainspace yet. It has many English mistakes, but more importantly it is not neutral.

For instance: Ethiopia retains the death penalty and has not ratified the Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCR). Ethiopia fails to uphold obligation under ICCR and has failed to limited death penalty. - surely a country cannot break a treaty that they have not ratified? (The references for the second sentence are human rights organizations, who are not neutral observers as to whether Ethiopia has or not satisfied its treaty obligations.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:31, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan, @The Supermind You are right, Tigraan, about the language. For example, "The most known capital punishment was occurred in 2007" is not good English. And, as you said, many other examples. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Yeah, you're right I've removed the POV pushing such as the most known. However, I've cited most contents about the ICCR in [1]. If there is controversy about Ethiopia's ratification and obligation of the treaty, go ahead and review the source. The Supermind (talk) 07:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Jessica Davis Ba

on your page on Jessica Davis Ba, I wish you'd add that she is a graduate of Georgetown Day School. 216.15.53.253 (talk) 15:03, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source with that information, please offer it on the article talk page, Talk:Jessica Davis Ba. 331dot (talk) 15:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Request to update Title page name for proper identification

Good day, I had attempted to add the middle initial "J" to the title page for Judge Michael Scionti. His middle initial is stated in the body of the wikipedia page, however, in order to properly identify him in a web search, it is important to have his middle initial referenced in the title page. This will help readers to decipher between Judge Michael Scionti and the numerous other Michael Scionti's that populate in a search. Due to this issue, there are numerous photos of other people sharing the same common name "Michael Scionti" and we plan to upload a photo to his page in the near future as well. Could someone please assist with this edit or direct me on what steps to make, because it appears that my edits from last night were reverted back. This name information is verifiable with a presently cited source on his Wikipedia page and additionally on the florida Judicial Directory website- Michael J. Scionti (fljud13.org) Thank you kindlyEleaseNat (talk) 17:15, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

EleaseNat Search results are not our main concern here. Articles are titled based on what the topic is called in independent reliable sources, see WP:COMMONNAME. For example, it is Bill Clinton, not William Jefferson Clinton(which is a redirect). We don't necessarily use official or legal names. That said, if using his middle initial is common, please visit Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 17:20, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I appreciate the information.EleaseNat (talk) 17:26, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@EleaseNat: You mentioned "we plan to upload a photo to his page". Who is "we"? GoingBatty (talk) 18:54, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I noticed that as well... EleaseNat it is against Wikipedia policy - though I cannot find it at the moment, maybe some other help-deskers know the link? - to have a group account, multiple people cannot share a single account. If more than one person is using your account everyone needs to get their own single account. Shearonink (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

The policy is described at WP:NOSHARING. CodeTalker (talk) 01:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@EleaseNat Make sure that the photo has the appropriate copyright status. Most photos that you can download from the 'net are not free of copyright. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:50, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Citation-type thing

Greetings, keepers of the eternal flame!

I came across a problem with a {{cite journal}} in a ref, discussed at Talk:John Cyril Porte#Cite journal error. Assuming that the document in question has been published for WP's purposes, and meets other requirements as discussed in the thread, what might be the best template to cite this type of unique, one-off typescript? Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Does {{cite report}} work?

It seems to me that though it may be published, it cannot be regarded as reliably published, and should be treated as a WP:SPS. ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Assuming that the Chilton archive at Imperial War Museums really holds the typescript (this search result suggests that it does), consider:

{{cite archive |last=Chilton |first=Edward |author-link=Edward Chilton |item=John Cyril Porte (1884–1919) Naval Officer, Pilot and aircraft designer extraordinary |type=Typescript |item-id=Documents.6892 |collection=Private Papers of Air Marshal Sir Edward Chilton KBE CB FRIN |collection-url=https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1030006743 |institution=Imperial War Museums}}

Chilton, Edward. "John Cyril Porte (1884–1919) Naval Officer, Pilot and aircraft designer extraordinary" [Typescript]. Private Papers of Air Marshal Sir Edward Chilton KBE CB FRIN, ID: Documents.6892. Imperial War Museums.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:44, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your swift and comprehensive replies. I don't have time tonight, but tomoz I shall investigate whether Chilton might qualify as an SME. I imagine a case might be made for including him, even as as a {{bsn}}. If so - and so I hope - the {{cite archive}} looks ideal. Thanks both for your help, MinorProphet (talk) 21:08, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Mistake on the Jim Morrison article

There must be a mistake there, https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Bonhommerichard.jpg that cant be Jim Morrison in 1964 if in 1966 The Doors released their first album unless Jim turned from kid to adult within 2 years. Maybe the writer intended 1954? 2.199.195.125 (talk) 19:47, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

According to the biography of Jim Morrison's father George Stephen Morrison, he took command of the Bonhomme Richard in 1963. That photo is taken from a weird angle, but it could be a 20 year old. Cullen328 (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

See also the 1963 mugshot of Jim Morrison. He looks somewhat baby-faced there. [2] AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:06, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the side view of that mug shot is very similar to the photo with his father. Cullen328 (talk) 20:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Access to Wikipedia by old iMac equipment (seems to be blocked) and there possibly is a remedy that Wikipedia can do

I cannot figure out a bypass on my old iMac, but is it possible that the website can be updated with a fix? 74.50.237.235 (talk) 20:10, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia runs on MediaWiki software. You may wish to ask this question at the MediaWiki Support Desk. It might help to tell them what version of Safari (or other browser) you are using. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 20:24, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

This is almost certainly being caused by a SSL certificate issue, relating to the age of your iMac. As for what you can do, if your iMac is PowerPC based (iMac G3, iMac G4, or iMac G5), you could attempt to use TenFourFox, however as that browser has been unsupported since March 2021 it is likely that if it does work now, it will stop working in the near future. There is a fork of TenFourFox called InterWebPPC that appears to still be getting updates, but I do not know if it is safe to use or reliable.

If your iMac is Intel based, then your choices are limited based on whatever the latest version of macOS your machine can run. If your machine can run macOS version 10.12 or newer, it should still be supported by the latest version of Firefox and Google Chrome. If your machine can only run macOS versions 10.9-10.11, then unfortunately you're probably out of luck, as most browser manufacturers have stopped supporting those releases. You could try to use Firefox 78.15.0esr, however as it hasn't been updated since October 2021, if Wikipedia does work it may stop working in the near future. With macOS versions prior to 10.12 you may also have certificate issues, as older root certificates expire and cannot easily be replaced. Sideswipe9th (talk) 20:29, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

This is the kind of problem you get when you use unsupported versions of software. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Formatting? Citations? Am I allowed to cycle after an edit and discussion if the reverter tells me I can't edit again?

Hello, I am working on the Independent Animation page. I was hoping to seperate the animators from studios, because as someone active in the world of independent animation the focus is more about individuals. I tried to insert the commonly held definition of it but was told my sources were not good enough (though I will point out some sources that was reverted back were very broken or appeared fake). So while I research better resources I thought I would simply format it so that individuals were seperate from studios. Instead I was reverted and told it was "damaging" to the page? Can someone explain to me what I did wrong this time? The individual I have been discussing with seems to have a very low opinion of me. MrsBaker1 (talk) 20:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I am now being told to use the talk page before any of my edits can be approved. Is this normal? No one beside myself has used it since 2014. MrsBaker1 (talk) 20:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MrsBaker. According to the Manual of Style, sentence case should be used in section headings. If other editors disagree with your contributions, you should discuss the issues on the article's talk page. This is standard procedure. The date of the last post there is not relevant. Cullen328 (talk) 21:00, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Cullen328, thank you for your response. I am happy to go by sentence casing. I tried to discuss the issue with the other editor. I was told my citations where not enough bc it was opinion, but my formatting was wrong bc of the other person's opinion. Now I can't edit a new version to try a better revision without the talk page? but the other editor can keep reverting/editing? I would be happy to try to negotiate with the other person but they are unwilling to talk and sent me to the "talk" page where no one has discussed anything (beside myself) for 8 years. It seems like a tactic to get me to not have any way forward instead of a willingness to compromise? Is that a wrong interpretation? MrsBaker1 (talk) 21:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it is normal. Please see WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 21:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the resource. The person who made the revert is not willing to talk, and isn't allowing me a chance to cycle again but instead asking me to talk to other people. Is it normal to not get a second chance at a specific edit after hearing someone's concern to try and compromise before moving to the talk page. The resource you gave suggests I should be able to edit again:

Cycle. To avoid bogging down in discussion, when you have a better understanding of the reverter's concerns, you may attempt a new edit that reasonably addresses some aspect of those concerns. You can try this even if the discussion has not reached an explicit conclusion, but be sure you don't engage in any kind of edit warring.

Please correct me if I am wrong here. MrsBaker1 (talk) 21:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Also I want to say that referencing the edit to other folks outside of the reverter without addressing the initial reason for the editor's concern (the justification being I deleted a lot of kbs due to an image I accidently deleted) is a bit hard to do when that issue is not one I'm trying to improve the page for. MrsBaker1 (talk) 21:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I guess I am asking am I allowed to cycle to try and reach a better compromise? Or bc the reverter told me he wasn't going to talk to me again I am not? There were other edits I was trying to address that I didn't get to. Is it all under the umbrella or do they count individually? MrsBaker1 (talk) 21:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I should note I have only made 1 edit specifically about this issue, and 1 other Large edit including the issue. Is 2 edits the max cycles? MrsBaker1 (talk) 21:20, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

MrsBaker, it is important to be accurate and precise here. MrOllie did not say that he would not discuss the issue. He said that he did not want to discuss it on his user talk page, adding correctly that the article talk page is the proper place to discuss article content. MrOllie has been a highly experienced and productive editor since 2008. Cullen328 (talk) 21:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, if we are being precise MrOllie directed me to ask others before I could try another cycle, not himself. Should I get a chance at one more cycle after a discussion or is a reverter allowed to say "you get no more cycles until others reply" after 1-2 attempts (which is lower than the 3 daily)? MrsBaker1 (talk) 21:28, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, thank you again for your reply. Can you answer my question about cycles? And if MrOllie can refuse my ability to edit one more time before I use the talk page? MrsBaker1 (talk) 21:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

MrsBaker, by "cycle", I assume that you are referring to Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You were reverted and you were advised to discuss on the article talk page. You have not done so. Why are you so resistant to article talk page discussion, when several editors have advised you that this is the best next step? MrOllie cannot "refuse" to let you do anything, but you need to accept the consequences of your actions. Cullen328 (talk) 21:58, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Cullen, yes I was referring to the resource given to me during this help desk conversation. Should I not refer to resources in the topic? I apologize if that was out of place. You say I didn't talk, but I believe I did. The reason the reverter did the revert was because of a loss of KB. That was the reason they gave when I asked. I wasn't able to address the actual reason given for the edit:

You damaged the article by stripping out much of the formatting, I would guess by improperly cutting and pasting. The article size decreased by more than two kilobytes in your edit. Your new sections also did not agree with Wikipedia's Manual of Style MrOllie (talk) 20:34, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Then I was told I wasn't allowed to even try at another edit to address the given reason for the edit after I tried to engage in a good faith conversation and asked 2 questions in a single response:

"I don't think you should, chronological is better. If you feel differently use the article talk page and see if anyone else agrees with you. "

....

The image of bakshi was removed. My error. If I return the image and reformat will you leave it up? And we can ask people if they want it back and let them see how it looks? MrsBaker1 (talk) 20:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

:::::No. Use the article talk page. Don't post here again, please. MrOllie (talk) 20:46, 3 September 2022 (UTC)''

So can I cycle again? Or can I not? Can I address the justification in another attempt or am I prohibited from editing again? I am far from a perfect person so I won't pretend to be one, but this response doesn't seem like a good faith attempt that before I could address his initial justification I was sent to a page not used in 8 years and told I could make no further edits until people use it who haven't in 8 years respond. Does that mean I can't edit other things in the article in the mean time that I didn't address in this last round? It is very grey and confusing. Even before when I tried to address a definition of the term the article is about that is sourced in a book I provided with quotes from people in the wiki article I was told my citation wasn't good enough. And it was reverted to a version that had a description that included citations that were broken or seemed fake. This is something separate I have been working on but I am unsure if I can attempt this too when I am finished researching sources? I also wanted to add more people who are important to this topic, can I do that? MrsBaker1 (talk) 00:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@MrsBaker1 As you have been told several times, you need to discuss this on the article talk page. Not here. The link is Talk:Independent_animation. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:57, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@MrsBaker1, welcome to editing Wikipedia. As an encyclopedia we do not work out content disputes on the live article. The talk page of the article is the place and keeps a permanent record. Just because there have been no issues raised for 8 years does not change that. Your main change to the article was a major reorganization. The other editor thinks that the current chronological order is better. You made a change and that was fine. Now go to the talk page and record there an explanation of why you believe your version is better. That opens the discussion. If the two of you continue to disagree there are several ways to involve more people. You can ask for a third opinion at Wikipedia:Third opinion and if that doesn't help you can go to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests. All of this becomes part of the record at the article talk page. There is more information about how we deal with content disputes, which happen all the time, at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:05, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, this is very helpful. Am I allowed to try other changes other than the chronological issue? MrsBaker1 (talk) 19:16, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, User:MrsBaker1, you may still edit the article constructively. If you are careful, it shouldn't arouse anyone's ire.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@MrsBaker1 Don't avoid the article talk page just because it hasn't been needed recently. That just means there has been no need for discussion among editors regarding the article, recently. If you start a discussion there, then there will be a recent discussion on that page. It's not hidden away or anything... Cheers. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Help talk:Searching

There are people looking for this sort of help at Help talk:Searching. Some sort of redirection might be in order. HLHJ (talk) 21:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@HLHJ I made the notice instructions more explicit and pinged a few queries from last year. The talk page needs to exist still, in offset that someone wants to actually discuss how to improve documentation though. Thanks for pinging! I'll keep a closer eye on it, and recommend you do as well! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:22, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Shushugah! I was actually looking to discuss updating that doc for an upcoming change when I found the page, so the offchance isn't too unlikely. HLHJ (talk) 20:50, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

How do you report odd, subjective stuff intruded into articles?

For example if you read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_mafia you'll see that someone who edited this said "you can tell by the look on his face" that he is guilty, and there's a whole section with a huge sort of headline that's been dumped in toward the middle and it's all very peculiar and talks about "failing commmunist ideals" but it's not using quote marks or sources...well, just read it. I'm sure most of the info about the Bulgarian mafia is accurate but there's stuff that really doesn't belong in a wikipedia article. 2601:1C2:4002:9520:10A1:82C2:786D:4F4A (talk) 21:43, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I think you can just edit it and then explain why. Also if you don't sign in the general populace will see your IP address just so you know. MrsBaker1 (talk) 21:51, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Help:Editing or WP:BRD MrsBaker1 (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@MrsBaker1 you don't need to paste the entire link, you can also link it as Help:Editing or WP:BRD. See Help:Linking ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Apologies! Changed it. It was right below my questions, and figured they were running into the newness issue I was facing (though much less than me, haha) so I shared the resources I was given. MrsBaker1 (talk) 19:26, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

September 4

How do you set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request? I don't see any parameter listings or buttons or way to do this.

How do you set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request? I don't see any parameter listings or buttons or way to do this. TheFairfaxian (talk) 00:11, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@TheFairfaxian: I assume you're talking about Talk:Jan_Karski#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2022. The general process to reactivate and edit request is to edit the section containing the request (there should be an edit link in the section header) and then replace {{edit extended-protected|(...)|answered=yes}} with {{edit extended-protected|(...)|answered=no}}, retaining the value I have marked with (...). Note that when copying the replacement from this page, you should copy it while viewing the page, as I have specifically inserted code which displays what should be replaced, rather than forcing you to edit this section to find out. See Help:Templates for more information about the curly bracket snytax in the Software behind Wikipedia.

As a related matter, there is a process to confirm that a particular text or image previously published elsewhere with a copyright notice can be made available under our two content licenses, as specified in the lead of Wikipedia:Copyrights and section 7 of the Wikimedia Foundation Terms of Use, however, I will warn you that Wikipedia's content licenses are deliberately very broad and this might not be what the university wants. That being said, if the university does want to make the text avialable under Wikipedia's content licenses, please see WP:DCM. Note that "permission for use in Wikipedia" or similar licensing shemes are not accepted. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Safari Reader View - Wikipedia changed something and it is broken

Hello,

I typically read wikipedia in Reader View on iOS Safari. In the last week or so, something was changed now the sections are no longer expanded.

Previously, all of the text of an article would be expanded, now the sections of an article are in bold, but tapping on them just creates a blue box and the text cannot be read.

This does not seem to affect Reader View on MacOS Safari.

Was this change discussed somewhere already?

Thanks

Iamagloworm (talk) 08:09, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I believe this is a general problem with the way these reader views work. I tried to reproduce it in Firefox by deliberately opening the mobile domain in an Incognito Window, and can confirm that sections which are not expanded before going into reader view will have their contents missing in reader mode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor Schmidt (talk • contribs) 08:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I had not tested Firefox previously, so I cannot say if there was a change there. For iOS Safari this is new behaviour.

Is there not a place on Wikipedia that discusses changes to how the site is rendered?

As noted the Reader View behaviour of desktop MacOS Safari still works the same way. Iamagloworm (talk) 11:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

You could try asking at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), but this sounds like a Safari bug to me, not something to be fixed on Wikipedia's end. Rummskartoffel 11:50, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Marquess of Lansdowne

In the "Middleton connection" section at the end this article, please do a direct link to he section titled "Barbara Lupton (Lady Bullock)" on the Lupton family page where it says "Lady Bullock (nee Barbara May Lupton)". Can you do the same direct link to the "Olive Middleton (nee Lupton)" link to the Olive Middleton section which is also on the Lupton family page. Thanks - I cannot do this on this machine. Thanks 49.198.41.28 (talk) 08:45, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Done. DuncanHill (talk) 09:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Article indexing

I had created a content months ago and was waiting to index that in google but it's not yet showing google. Please do the needful soon as possible. Danijose (talk) 10:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Danijose You edited your user page, which is not article space and is not indexed by search engines. You should use Articles for Creation to submit a draft article- but your current text is unlikely to be accepted; please read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial before further attempts to create an article- which is the most difficult task to perform here. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Your user page is for telling about yourself as a Wikipedia editor or user only. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Danijose. Please understand that Wikipedia is not for telling the world about something - that's called promotion, and is strictly forbidden. Wikipedia is only interested in subjects which the world has already been told about - and not by the subject or its associates.

If at some point there is an article about the Institute, the article will not belong to the Institute, will not be controlled by the Institute, and should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with the Institute have published (bad as well as good).

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

If you have some connection with the Institute you also need to read about editing with a conflict of interest; and if you are in any way employed by the institute you must read and comply with the policy on Paid editing. ColinFine (talk) 11:04, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia accept bitcoin for donation

Do they or do I have to sell my bitcoin to donate I am wondering how their donation says credit cards PayPal Amazon or Apple 2600:8805:BC82:4D00:C9B9:D4C8:653E:BF70 (talk) 12:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

You can find information on ways to give at donate:Ways to Give. This does not mention Bitcoin, so I don't think so. ColinFine (talk) 12:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Backstory: the Wikimedia Foundation started accepting Bitcoin donations in 2014 [3] but stopped accepting them in 2022 [4] citing the instability of the crypto market and the large amount of electricity required to mine the coins.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

That second citation is independent (good) but does not suppoort the statement that WF stopped accepting Bitcoin (bad) - it only says they were thinking about it. Is there a statement from WF that they have stopped? I can see that neither Bitcoint nor cryptopcurrency are mentioned on their Other ways to give page. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 09:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Changing of old page titles name to new title name

Hi,

I am writing in to ask for an assistant on how to change the current Chevron House Chevron House to 30 Raffles Place as the building owner have been changed. Newtontio (talk) 13:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Newtontio Wikipedia does not necessarily use official or legal names, but what the preponderance of reliable sources use as the name of a topic; see WP:COMMONNAME. However, if this is the most common name, you may propose a page move at Requested Moves. If you think this will be at all controversial, you should first discuss it on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 13:28, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

False warnings

I've been warned twice that I've done disruptive edits. But if you go to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Climatepedia, you can see that I've done no disruptive edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Climatepedia (talk • contribs) 13:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Climatepedia Your edits are disruptive as the article does not qualify for speedy deletion. Also see WP:FRINGE. You are also now on notice about the special rules regarding the climate change topic area. You will be blocked if your actions continue. 331dot (talk) 13:49, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

The warnings were entirely appropriate. Wikipedia doesn't base content on random YouTube video rants. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

LST Music producer article entry

Hello, I would like to find a contributor to do an encyclopedia entry about me as a notable music producer. I'm not a real popular music producer at the present. But I may find myself popular among the music industry and fans soon. A wikipedia documentation would be a valuable resource for someone to research and discover more about me. I have a complete website that cover about 90% of my history and full explanation of my purpose in the music industry. Can you guide me on how to find a Wiki writer/contributor that would consider looking into doing an article on me? I feel some of the paid so-called professional services are not true writers that are passionate about building the Wiki encyclopedia with informative and notable content. 75.168.81.91 (talk) 19:49, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Help Desk! If someone is interested in writing an article about you, they will have done so, because they believe you are WP:Notable according to Wikipedia's standards. Having 1 billion views on Youtube/Soundcloud wouldn't count as notable by Wikipedia's internal definition, on other hand, receiving WP:SIGCOV in 2 secondary/independent news articles would (which a personal website isn't). See WP:NMUSICIAN for specific guidelines on notable musicians. Thank you for your question! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:09, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! Please also see the essays Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and Wikipedia:Too soon. GoingBatty (talk) 20:42, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Being bold is important on Wikipedia.

Why do I see so many user subpages created with only this sentence? Is this some part of a tutorial? The edit summary is always automatic post as part of sandbox guided tour, so it is probably a tutorial, but does anyone know which one? Weeklyd3 (talk) 21:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

see this. PICKLEDICAE🥒 21:47, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

The page Praxidicae linked to above is outdated. The current process seems to be coming from https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/training/students/how-to-edit/let-s-try-it-v2 (the "Let's try it!" slide) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:56, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Add a language to a page

Hello, I would like to add an English page to the following article: Ordynat – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre (wikipedia.org) It would consist of an simple translation from the article in Portuguese, a replication of its links (in English), and some typos I would like to correct. For the moment, the above article simply redirect to another, larger article, instead of proposing a concise, English version. What is the easiest way to proceed, please ? Thanks in advance. Kind regards Stan Lubomirski Stan Lubomirski (talk) 22:58, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

We already have an article on Ordynat. PICKLEDICAE🥒 23:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, not exactly. The English page refers to a much wider topic. All I want is to copy-paste this page in Portuguese into English. Possible ? Stan Lubomirski (talk) 00:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, User:Stan Lubomirski, it's possible if you use the title Ordynat (Portugal). and proceed with caution per Wikipedia:Translation.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

No, you may not "copy/paste" an article written in Portuguese into the English Wikipedia. You must translate it into English, just as you propose to do. We have guidance for that. The most important rule: attribute the Portuguese source. See Wikipedia:Translation, as recommended by Quisqualis. -Arch dude (talk) 04:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to both, I meant 'copy/paste' my very English translation while respecting every detail of the Portuguese article, starting with its title. Stan Lubomirski (talk) 07:31, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Stan Lubomirski, do you want to create an article about the Polish–Lithuanian Ordynat and link it to articles about the subject in other Wikipedias? That could be quite complex for a new editor. If so, you should start by reading Help:Your first article to find out how to create an article which is suitable for en Wikipedia. The best way to create the article is to follow the Wikipedia:Splitting process. I would recommend starting a discussion first rather than omitting that stage. When you have an article I believe a bot will create a Wikidata item in a couple of days and you could ask for help again.

There is guidance on translating from other Wikipedia at Wikipedia:Translation, but the Portuguese article pt:Ordynat is not suitable for en Wikipedia as it stands because it has no citations to reliable sources. TSventon (talk) 08:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

TSventon's point is important, Stan Lubomirski. If an article in another language Wikipedia is referenced up to en-wiki's standard, then it can be just a matter of translating the text and attributing the source. But often articles are not sourced to that standard (equally true of thousands and thousands of old articles in en-wiki) and a straight translation will not be accepted. In most cases I advise treating a translation as little different from creating a new article (see your first article). ColinFine (talk) 09:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

In any case, as mentioned previously, attribution is required; you can find out how to do this at Help:Translation, or at WP:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects (WP:TFOLWP). Mathglot (talk) 01:03, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

How to cite a photo in a newspaper that went out before the internet

I'm looking to add a reference involving a protest from 1966, but the problem I am having is that the only source I can find for it is an old newspaper, the Los Angeles Herald Examiner, and it is a photo with a longer caption. I'm not sure how of ir it can be cited, as it's also only available on the Internet Archive, not a URL of its own. https://archive.org/details/herald-examiner-1966-05-04/mode/1up MarvelAge91 (talk) 23:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@MarvelAge91: Sources do not need to be online. Use {{Cite_news}} and fill in the info about the newspaper date etc that it appeared in. RudolfRed (talk) 00:20, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed thank you.MarvelAge91 (talk) 00:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

September 5

Album cover

Hello. I've been writing a draft for an album by TobyMac, and I need to get the album cover uploaded for the infobox. The album cover was uploaded for his previous album: The Elements, so I know it's possible, if somebody could do this or teach/tell me how to do this, it would be awesome and very helpful. Thank you! Cherrell410 (talk) 01:48, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

The file already uploaded is File:The Elements TobyMac official album cover.jpg. Presumably the file you want to upload is also conventionally copyright; and can therefore only be uploaded to en:Wikipedia (not to Commons) and for "fair use" in a particular article. Not to a draft: no claim for "fair use" in a draft will be considered. So first, ready your draft, submit it for acceptance, and wait. While you're doing that, read up on fair use. When your draft has metamorphosed into an article, upload the image, in accordance with the relevant guidelines. -- Hoary (talk) 02:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Cherrell410. Hoary is entirely correct. Non-free images are never acceptable in drafts. In addition, they add nothing to a draft since reviewers do not pay attention to images. They only pay attention to the quality of the references to reliable, independent sources in the draft article, and how well your draft summarizes those references. Images are decorations that should be ignored until after the draft is accepted as an encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:02, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Incidentally, Cherrell410, User:Cherrell410/sandbox/Life After Death (TobyMac Album) doesn't currently have any comment from a reliable source. I understand that the draft isn't submitted for review and that you may already have material you intend to add before you submit the draft; but as it is, the notability of its subject isn't clear. -- Hoary (talk) 06:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Search for users with user box = x

HI,

I wish to find if there are any editors with userbox = business analysis,

Can't work it out (or do you have to search using the wiki text ??

Appreciate your help Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 06:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

You don't point us to this userbox, Wakelamp, and I can't be bothered to search for it. Let's imagine that it's Template:User_BusAna. Then click on Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:User_BusAna. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank-you Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 12:11, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Removed Vital Articles

On Wikipedia:Vital_articles I noticed there was a page with a list of all articles that were ever removed from the level 4 list. Here's a link: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/4/Removed

I'm curious if there are pages of removed articles corresponding the other vital article levels. Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/3/Removed isn't a valid page, and neither is Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/People/Writers and journalists/Removed or any other examples. Do the other levels have any of their own removed article archives? Cadevo86 (talk) 14:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cadevo86:The folks over at Wikipedia talk:Vital_articles might be able to help. -Arch dude (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

September 6

[[#CITEREF|]] Related Usage Questions

If anyone knows for sure, please reply. There is no reply on Korean Wikipedia, so I'm posting a question here. I think, An error related to novichok(KorWiki) has occurred in the Novichok documentation. This is the 1st question - How to use #CITEREF?

This is the 2nd question - In the Template:Harvard citation, it is referenced in Template:Sfn with the parameter ref=harv.

i think the 'harv' is a group name in 'references'.

What is the internal mechanism? i cann't understand Lua, Please explain with wiki syntex

thanks 222.117.225.233 (talk) 00:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! I see that a user has updated the article so the #CITEREF errors no longer appear. However, while reference 1 now says "Tucker 2006", I would expect that the article would have a complete reference for this as well. Since Tucker, Albats, and Gupta are only used once in the article, you might even want to replace the {{Harvnb}} with regular citation templates with the complete details about each reference. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 00:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Tara Lipinski talk page template

Hi, so on the talk page of Tara Lipinski, I put in the A note template. I would like it to be the same color as the rest of the templates. Could someone please either explain to me how that would be done, or do it for me? Perhaps I'm using the wrong template? Help, way too technical for my pay grade! ;) Thanks in advance. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 02:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Is an exception possible where drafts can link into mainspace?

So I know generally speaking drafts cannot be linked for mainspace articles, but could a like a WikiProject talk page discussion or some community discussion make exceptions to that rule? So basically, a few months ago, I started Draft:List of F4 and EF4 tornadoes and 9 other editors have helped create it. Ran into an issue where it was like 10-15% done, and it was nearly 200,000 bytes. So I just broke it up into lists by decades (in draftspace still). One section was complete, the Draft:List of F4 and EF4 tornadoes (2020–present) and another user User talk:98.116.128.17 messaged on the talk page suggesting it should be moved into mainspace as it is ready. I just sped through and got the parent draft, Draft:List of F4 and EF4 tornadoes, ready to be in mainspace as well. The problem is, all the other decade articles are not ready for mainspace. The closest is the 2010s which is around 40-50% done. If you look at the parent draft, all the decades are listed in their respective sections (modeled after Lists of tornadoes and tornado outbreaks), but again, the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00, and 10s decade articles are and will be in draftspace for a while. Is is possible to move Draft:List of F4 and EF4 tornadoes and Draft:List of F4 and EF4 tornadoes (2020–present) into mainspace, as they are ready, but leave the drafts linked to the parent Draft:List of F4 and EF4 tornadoes article? (Pinging WP Weather members as well since this is like a weird question: ChessEric, TornadoLGS, Timcigar12.)

Really hoping that question made sense. Elijahandskip (talk) 03:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I did a quick look around, and I'm not actually sure where the policy or guideline is that goes against linking from mainspace to draftspace, though I don't expect it's appropriate, considering redirects from mainspace to draftspace are subject to speedy deletion. If anyone could link to the relevant guideline page(s) that would be helpful. For anyone commenting who is unfamiliar with the subject matter we're talking about a list (or group of lists) that would contain more than a thousand entries, which was the reason for the split. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

You're looking for MOS:DRAFTNOLINK. —Cryptic 04:28, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

how do i add my a place and what are the requirements

I want to add westside auto wholesales to Wikipedia - can someone please tell me how and what to achieve this - is there like a guideline doc on what we need and whats required - just looking for some guidance on it PerthDigitalEdge (talk) 05:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm guessing that it is Westside Auto Wholesale in Perth, Western Australia. This doesn't seem to meet the general notability guideline for its own article, and there would also be a conflict of interest if you were involved in it in some way. It is important to realise that Wikipedia is not a business directory, and that articles about businesses can only be added if they are notable enough.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:03, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

footnotes

I read the template page Template:Ref label but can't figure out why the link to the footnote a on Taras Shevchenko doesn't work.

And i don't understand the error message "500 No Host option provided" that this validator produces: https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTaras_Shevchenko&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 --Espoo (talk) 10:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Roundhay School

I have added a black and white old photo which should be at the top left hand side of the History section. It is too far down the article. Please alter if you can. Thanks. 49.198.41.28 (talk) 11:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)