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:: The image of Odenkirk is a free image and is not under the same onerous requirements as the non-free image of Saul and Kim smoking (which seems to be adequately justified) but I think Masem is agreeing that relevance is still importance and the caption should be better supported by the article text. Editors might consider instead to note the return of [[:File:Betsy_Brandt_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg|Bestys Brandt as Marie Schrader]] which was clearly highlighted by at least one critic (or she could be added to the Casting section).[https://www.avclub.com/why-marie-had-the-most-important-cameo-in-better-call-s-1849432070] -- [[Special:Contributions/109.76.205.82|109.76.205.82]] ([[User talk:109.76.205.82|talk]]) 15:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
:: The image of Odenkirk is a free image and is not under the same onerous requirements as the non-free image of Saul and Kim smoking (which seems to be adequately justified) but I think Masem is agreeing that relevance is still importance and the caption should be better supported by the article text. Editors might consider instead to note the return of [[:File:Betsy_Brandt_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg|Bestys Brandt as Marie Schrader]] which was clearly highlighted by at least one critic (or she could be added to the Casting section).[https://www.avclub.com/why-marie-had-the-most-important-cameo-in-better-call-s-1849432070] -- [[Special:Contributions/109.76.205.82|109.76.205.82]] ([[User talk:109.76.205.82|talk]]) 15:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
::: The image was moved out of the critical response section.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Saul_Gone&diff=1107941037&oldid=1107761367] That works for me. -- [[Special:Contributions/109.79.171.252|109.79.171.252]] ([[User talk:109.79.171.252|talk]]) 20:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
::: The image was moved out of the critical response section.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Saul_Gone&diff=1107941037&oldid=1107761367] That works for me. -- [[Special:Contributions/109.79.171.252|109.79.171.252]] ([[User talk:109.79.171.252|talk]]) 20:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Did someone really edited the main page to replace "Mike" with "Finger" ==

If you don't know what I meant, this is a reference to the "Kid named finger" meme [[User:LeapofAzzam|LeapofAzzam]] ([[User talk:LeapofAzzam|talk]]) 12:25, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

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Bad caption

The Reception section includes an image of Odenkirk. The caption praises his performance. Unfortunately this is exactly the kind of low effort caption that editors add when they first decide they want to include an image in a section and only later as an afterthought attempt to add some kind of relevant caption. (Writing good quality descriptive captions is harder than it looks, which is why so many publications don't even bother anymore and only include the image Copyright credit and maybe indicate the person shown if you are lucky.)

The problem with this is that, at the time of writing, the Reception section does not include text to adequately support this phrasing. All the praise is presented as being for the character Jimmy/Saul. To make the caption more appropriate the Reception section would need to include text specifically praising the performance of the actor Bob Odenkirk, not just the character. (Alternatively awards nominations might indicate that his performance was praised.) Praise for the character could be intended as praise for the actor, but it seems more like praise for the writers and Vince Gilligan based on the current wording. I feel that if I had simply added a {{citation needed}} tag to the image caption editors might have misunderstood my point, and my concerns about making this a better encyclopedia article, so I wrote this longer explanation instead.

Please try to improve the Reception section or rewrite the image caption. -- 109.76.205.82 (talk) 14:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For non free images, there absolutely must be strong justification for its use (such as that provided for the smoking scenes). But for free images, that justification us not as critical, though the caption should reflect the prose. Masem (t) 14:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The image of Odenkirk is a free image and is not under the same onerous requirements as the non-free image of Saul and Kim smoking (which seems to be adequately justified) but I think Masem is agreeing that relevance is still importance and the caption should be better supported by the article text. Editors might consider instead to note the return of Bestys Brandt as Marie Schrader which was clearly highlighted by at least one critic (or she could be added to the Casting section).[1] -- 109.76.205.82 (talk) 15:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The image was moved out of the critical response section.[2] That works for me. -- 109.79.171.252 (talk) 20:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did someone really edited the main page to replace "Mike" with "Finger"

If you don't know what I meant, this is a reference to the "Kid named finger" meme LeapofAzzam (talk) 12:25, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]