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Previously mobilization

«Previously, mobilization in Russia was announced only twice: at the beginning of World War I, and following the German invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II» — incorrect, the country called «Russia» (full name «Russian Federation») appeared in 1991, before there was Soviet Union, now not existing, included Ukraine, by the way. Владимир Казаринов (talk) 04:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter what it used to be called and which territories it had included. Russia is still deemed the successor of the USSR, including in both Russian and English Wikipedias. If you disagree with that, you can direct further discussion to the respective articles. 46.166.88.108 (talk) 05:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Partly agree, but from this enlarged point of view we should observe what might called «historical Russia», going from Soviet Union then deeper to Russian Empire, an then to Tsardom of Russia and so so on and count all acts of civil mobilizations. Or mention just one act in 1941; «Previously, mobilization in Russia was announced only twice» still not incorrect enough. Also actually previous mobilization in USSR took place long after WW-II in Soviet–Afghan War (mentioned in Russian Wikipedia). So, let's think of appropriate wording. Владимир Казаринов (talk) 07:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The claim is obviously false. There were similar partial mobilisations during the Russo-Japanese War. And then there's the very similar Winter War, in which the Red Army deployed (and lost) a huge force. The talk of the Great Patriotic War is an attempt to spin this as an existential defensive war when there are more accurate precedents. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Russian Federation was not the Soviet Union, and is only one of its successors. The Russian Federation is not the Russian Empire. All of those mobilizations affected both Russia and Ukraine, for example. Let’s try to keep some perspective. —Michael Z. 14:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Minor POV in lead section

"...the Russian retreat in Kharkiv Oblast and calls from pro-war nationalists appear to have swayed Putin into mobilization." (first sentence of last paragraph of lead)

Likely POV, cited article (based on a quick Ctrl+F) doesn't even use the term sway. Can someone change to be more neutral? Fun Is Optional (talk) 08:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian mobilization article

We already have an article for the Russian mobilization and the DPR and LPR mobilization. I wonder if we could also make an article for Ukraine's? Super Ψ Dro 16:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 * The claim is obviously false.  There were similar partial mobilisations during the [[Russo-Japanese War]].  And then there's the very similar [[Winter War]], in which the Red Army deployed (and lost) a huge force.  The talk of the Great Patriotic War is an attempt to spin this as an existential defensive war when there are more accurate precedents. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
+The Russian Federation was not the Soviet Union, and is only one of its successors. The Russian Federation is not the Russian Empire. All of those mobilizations affected both Russia and Ukraine, for example. Let’s try to keep some perspective.&nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 14:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 == Minor POV in lead section ==