Talk:2022 Russian mobilization

Previously mobilization

«Previously, mobilization in Russia was announced only twice: at the beginning of World War I, and following the German invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II» — incorrect, the country called «Russia» (full name «Russian Federation») appeared in 1991, before there was Soviet Union, now not existing, included Ukraine, by the way. Владимир Казаринов (talk) 04:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't matter what it used to be called and which territories it had included. Russia is still deemed the successor of the USSR, including in both Russian and English Wikipedias. If you disagree with that, you can direct further discussion to the respective articles. 46.166.88.108 (talk) 05:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Partly agree, but from this enlarged point of view we should observe what might called «historical Russia», going from Soviet Union then deeper to Russian Empire, an then to Tsardom of Russia and so so on and count all acts of civil mobilizations. Or mention just one act in 1941; «Previously, mobilization in Russia was announced only twice» still not correct enough. Also actually previous mobilization in USSR took place long after WW-II in Soviet–Afghan War (mentioned in Russian Wikipedia). So, let's think of appropriate wording. Владимир Казаринов (talk) 07:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

• The claim is obviously false. There were similar partial mobilisations during the Russo-Japanese War. And then there's the very similar Winter War, in which the Red Army deployed (and lost) a huge force. The talk of the Great Patriotic War is an attempt to spin this as an existential defensive war when there are more accurate precedents. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

The Russian Federation was not the Soviet Union, and is only one of its successors. The Russian Federation is not the Russian Empire. All of those mobilizations affected both Russia and Ukraine, for example. Let’s try to keep some perspective. —Michael Z. 14:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Your edits were fine, but I'd still note the Russian Federation is the only de jure successor of the USSR, hence it was handed over the USSR's seat in the UN Security Council after the Soviet Union got officially disbanded.Knižnik (talk) 15:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Minor POV in lead section

"...the Russian retreat in Kharkiv Oblast and calls from pro-war nationalists appear to have swayed Putin into mobilization." (first sentence of last paragraph of lead)

Likely POV, cited article (based on a quick Ctrl+F) doesn't even use the term sway. Can someone change to be more neutral? Fun Is Optional (talk) 08:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Ukrainian mobilization article

We already have an article for the Russian mobilization and the DPR and LPR mobilization. I wonder if we could also make an article for Ukraine's? Super Ψ Dro 16:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

+1. Gathering some references from other articles:

Initial Ukrainian mobilization occurred in stages, including March 17, May 6,[1] and July 22, 2014.[2] Ukrainian territorial defence battalions established during this time,[3] and rolled into the Armed Forces after November 10.[4] Special Tasks Patrol Police created April 15.

The Territorial Defence Forces (Ukraine) were activated January 1, 2022. Reserves called up on February 22, 2022.[5] martial law and general mobilization enacted February 24.[6][7]  —Michael Z. 14:57, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

There is now one, Mobilization in Ukraine. Super Ψ Dro 17:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Number of planned to mobilize

Look, medias like "Novaya Gazeta" and "Meduza" show what might be called "liberal" point of view, anti-government in other words, what they have right to do of cause. But they really far from balanced, objective position, speaking simply they do mostly liberal propaganda. The article gives this source and this is how it starts (translating):

"The classified seventh point of the decree on mobilization allows the Defense Ministry to conscript one million people. This was reported to "Novaya Gazeta. Europe" was told by a source in the presidential administration".

Further in the article same thing: some unnamed "source", "interviewer". Really, an anonym source in presidential administration? So this article links an article of "Novaya Gazeta" and it links an anonym, whom existence itself is doubtful.

I can easily find "sources" with even bigger numbers.

A suggestion: official numbers and neutral-minded estimates based on something solid.

Владимир Казаринов (talk) 05:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 29 September 2022

2022 Russian conscription → 2022 Russian military mobilization – I’ve not taken much time to think about it, but the title seems egregiously wrong, so here’s a hasty move request. Please chime in with suggestions for improvement.

Conscription in Russia is routinely ordered every year. This article is not about that subject or its specific details for this year, which was ordered in late August.[8] It is about an outstanding military mobilization, the first since WWII. Its author calls it a “partial mobilization,” but there is evidence that he was lying about its scope, so committing to “partial” in the title may be premature.  —Michael Z. 17:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Support for 2022 Russian mobilization. The article's previous title has been changed without discussion. In the international media, the name “mobilization” is common, and not “conscription” PLATEL (talk) 18:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• Move to 2022 Russian mobilization per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support 2022 Russian mobilization. Super Ψ Dro 18:57, 29 September 2022 (UTC)