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October 2

Upload logo to use in template

I'm editing the Google App Maker page, and I want to add a logo in the Template:Infobox software template in page. the logo is in this page but I don't know if regarding copyright rules I can upload it, and even If I can, im not sure where to upload it. the Infobox software template wants a file name but I think that means uploading to Wikimedia commons? or not? they don't like when people upload stuff that isn't theirs, so what do I do? Thanks. 3point1415 (talk) 07:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
3point1415 (talk) 07:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, 3point1415! Generally we use free content only – see the first few paragraphs of the information page Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/All. Such content should be uploaded to Commons repository, so that it's available in all Wikimedia projects.

However, there are some cases when there is no free content to illustrate something, and only copyrighted material is available (for example, a logotype). That must not be uploaded to Commons. It may, however, under some conditions, be uploaded to English Wikipedia for enwiki use only. Please see Wikipedia:Non-free content guideline and Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria policy. --CiaPan (talk) 07:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Also see WP:LOGO, which discusses exactly this use. ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

ایڈمن کیسے بنیں

ایڈمن کیسے بنیں 2601:19E:4300:83E0:A983:5BC7:34E4:11F9 (talk) 11:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Salaam. Have you got a question? You might prefer to post it at ur:ویکیپیڈیا:معاونت میز ColinFine (talk) 11:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

If you seek to become Administrator on Urdu Wikipedia, that Wikipedia handles its own administrative needs. This is the English Wikipedia..--Quisqualis (talk) 21:12, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Tammy Hernandez

I am the worst ate these things how do I find someone to help with my page? Because I don't understand the rules. I have been on two shows and have know clue on how to add them to this. Tammy Tammyhtherealtor (talk) 19:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Wikipedia is not a place for you to advertise and promote yourself and your "brand". Nobody here will help you with that. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tammy! You are not allowed to create/edit pages regarding you, a company you represent, or a client per WP:CONFLICT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest). UpdateWindows (talk) 20:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

films

kindly help me get the samson and delilah 1949 film by cecil demile. please Pst. Emmanuel (talk) 20:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pst. Emmanuel Wikipedia's article on that film is at the link Samson and Delilah (1949 film). To view a copy of the actual film, you'll need to try one of the online streaming services. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

restore policy

Please restore my fuller post I submitted October 2nd earlier today

this is documentation on actualized events

you have no right to depress us otherwise Unknownvalidated (talk) 22:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Unknownvalidated This is not a place to post your personal documentation of any events; Wikipedia summarizes independent reliable sources. You are free to use social media to post your grievances or views. 331dot (talk) 22:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Then I want transcribes of my work

this is documented in Congress Unknownvalidated (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

the cia managed Unknownvalidated (talk) 22:48, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Anything posted to Wikipedia has to be done so in accord with the Wikimedia Terms of Use. [1] Anything that doesn't is liable to get deleted. As indeed are things that do, in the normal course of editing. If you've posted something here without making a backup, it isn't our problem. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Where to ask for a independent review of an edit?

I came across an edit[2] that may have come from an editor with a possible conflict of interest issue. Where would I go to ask for a third-party review of their edit? I'm a rather new editor, and am trying to be overly bold in my editing. Thank you! BlueNoise (talk) 23:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

You are? (But perhaps you just intended to add "not".) The article was edited most recently by somebody with an imposing username and a short and odd list of removals, or should I say contributions. I'm not sure. Somebody with a clearer grasp than I have of the relative reliability of sources for "spiritual" matters might care to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 23:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Looking at their edit history, it's seeming less like a conflict interest and more like single-purpose account with an axe to grind. As I mentioned before, it's easy to be overly bold when it comes to thinking one they know what they're doing. Sometimes beans end up in our nose whether we like it or not. BlueNoise (talk) 00:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

October 3

Linking a flag to a different article

The article International Island Games Association also contains Hitra, linking to the Norwegian municipality of Hitra. While this is accurate in terms of the flag, in this case Hitra (island) would be the proper target article to be listed. Can this be done? --KnightMove (talk) 05:15, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@KnightMove: Why? As far as I can tell it isn't just the main Hitra (island) which is in the association but the whole of Hitra municipality whose flag it is. The "Islands" tab at https://www.iiga.org/ shows many island groups based just on "Islands" in their name. https://www.iiga.org/member_profile_12416.html says "Population 4256 (2010)" and the url at "Government Website" is for the municipality www.hitra.kommune.no. https://www.hitra.no/itall/befolkning/folketall-og-befolkningsendringer/ says the total population of the municipality was 4256 in 2010. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:54, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok... and I see now that the mainland parts of Hitra municipality only joined there in 2020 when Snillfjord municipality was dissolved. Nothing of concern for the IIGA & nothing to be done here. Thanks.

Anyway, in principal: Could a flag be linked to a different article? --KnightMove (talk) 06:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@KnightMove: Not with {{flag}}. The purpose of that template is to automatically select both flag and link. Otherwise you can just use {{flagicon}} to select the flag alone and add your own link like {{flagicon|Hitra}} [[Hitra (island)|Hitra]]: Hitra. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

{{flagicon}} adds a link on the flag. Use {{flagdeco}} to avoid this. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I removed external links as suggested at the top of the page

RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_and_Dorothy_Tanner

This suggestion is at the top of the Wikipedia page:

This article's use of external links may not follow Wikipedia's policies or guidelines. Please improve this article by removing excessive or inappropriate external links, and converting useful links where appropriate into footnote references. (July 2022) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

I removed the external links, not knowing that external links would not follow Wikipedia guidelines. I believe the links now are all internal Wikipedia links. I would like to remove the template message and not sure how to do that, and thought that someone on the Wikipedia team would want to see if the page is properly corrected. If you think so, can you give me instructions on how to remove the suggestion at the top of the page?

Thank you so much,

Barry Raphael Barryraphael (talk) 05:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I removed the tag. You can see in the page history how I did it. Madeline (part of me) 05:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Incentives

What are Wikipedia's rewards for contributors, that is, for the people who create articles, edit articles, make edits. Or are there no incentives? Does everything happen on a pro bono basis? Nataly Yuzhakova (talk) 09:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Nataly Yuzhakova: Please don't ask the same question in several places. That one: Wikipedia:Teahouse#Wikipedia Incentives is enough. --CiaPan (talk) 09:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

NPOV/ COI issue?

Hello,

I’m looking for guidance/opinions on a page and would appreciate the community’s input.

I believe the following page (1xBet) to be in violation of the NPOV guidelines and have outlined my reasoning below.

The page comes across as being written with an exclusively negative bias. This becomes even more readily apparently when making a comparison with other pages within the same industry, as it omits sections that are commonly found and features mostly only negative ones.

Since the page’s inception, there is evidence that points to the page creator having a vendetta against the company. The first red flag is that they appear to edit this page exclusively. In addition to this, the continued sentiment of these contributions appears to be negatively biased against the company, and they have also left a comment on the talk page stating, ‘ 1xbet bankrupt? My work is done here.’, which implies that the user has a planned agenda.

I have posted previously on the page’s talk page, in addition to the neutral point of view noticeboard which has resulted in some changes, but I believe the NPOV violation still stands. For reference, my original post can be seen here: Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#1Xbet NPOV Thanks Melancholyhelper (talk) 10:07, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Melancholyhelper Note that the whole url is not needed when linking to another article or page, simply place the target page name in double brackets as I've done here. Please note that if the content in independent reliable sources is negative about a topic, it will be on Wikipedia as well. If you have more positive coverage of the company, you are welcome to offer it. It is probably true that there does not need to be three separate sections of the company's troubles. I don't think deletion is warranted as the problems seem fixable. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Melancholyhelper, I've looked for reliable independent sources that discuss 1xBet. I've found many, and all the ones I've read are about 1xBet's illegal actions. The Wikipedia article naturally reflects those sources. Maproom (talk) 16:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Case of WP:OR?

Scenario: A generally reliable publication publishes an article that quotes an expert. Another editor thinks the expert must have been misled to say such a thing. The editor goes ahead and privately contacts the expert via email. The expert clarifies to them that their quote was taken out of context. Does this justify removing to quote from Wikipedia, or does this constitute original research? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 11:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Throast. Whether it's WP:OR probably depends upon whether it's something that can be verified in reliable secondary sources. If the scenario you described is something covered in reliable secondary sources or perhaps by a retraction or clarification published by the original publication from which the quote is taken, then it's probably OK. If the expert self-publishes a clarification (e.g. tweets something from their official Twitter account) or retraction, then it probably is also OK as long as it doesn't run afoul of WP:BLPSELFPUB or WP:ABOUTSELF. If all you have is some private conversation between an editor and the expert, then that probably is not going to be allowed because it's (1) not verifiable and (2) not a published reliable source. Most likely the best thing to do here would be to get the expert to contact the original publication and get them to issue a retraction or correction. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Original research is not allowed to add claims but it can sometimes be used when deciding to omit a published claim. If the publication has a good reputation and the quote is significant to the article and not clearly wrong then I would be hesitant to remove it based on alleged OR knowledge by an editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Smithson graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Blockhead U.

There are about 160 articles with the phrasing of "John Johnson graduated Phi Beta Kappa from University of Somewhere" is this proper? I asked a few days ago on WP:EDU but that hasn't gotten a response.Naraht (talk) 15:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

As an obscure foreign phrase it should be explained. DuncanHill (talk) 15:27, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Pretty much not a foreign phrase (relative to the articles) by definition, Phi Beta Kappa only exists in the United States.Naraht (talk) 15:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Phi Beta Kappa should be linked so readers can find the meaning. That seems enough. Your example at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education#Smithson graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Blockhead U is Wes Moore#Early life and education where it's linked. "graduated Phi Beta Kappa" -linksto:"Phi Beta Kappa" finds 76 articles without a link. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:02, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

PrimeHunterThank you for the search, I'll take care of them.Naraht (talk) 17:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

PrimeHunterLooks like about two thirds are [[Phi Beta Kappa Society|Phi Beta Kappa]] getting rid of those gives 29, I'll look at them. (As to whether [[Phi Beta Kappa Society|Phi Beta Kappa]] should be changed to [[Phi Beta Kappa]] , I've always viewed that as low priority.Naraht (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

But the article Phi Beta Kappa does not explain what "graduated Phi Beta Kappa" means. I can sort of guess what it must mean from context, but as a native English speaker, I would rather like to have this obscure local idiom explained when it is used in an article. ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

It's a society so I think it's natural to assume it just means graduated as a member of the society. Google shows it's a common term. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Why is graduating as a member of this club any more worthy of notice than, say, graduating as a member of the Philately Club or the Real Ale Society? DuncanHill (talk) 17:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

It's an academic honor society. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

A purely US phenomenon. Nobody else knows what they are. DuncanHill (talk) 20:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Because Phi Beta Kappa has rigorous academic standards and is widely seen as prestigious in the United States, at least by educated people. Those other clubs you mentioned are presumably open to any student. It is not at all an "obscure local idiom". Cullen328 (talk) 18:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

It's obscure to anybody who isn't American. DuncanHill (talk) 20:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

It is obscure. In the phrase "graduating Phi Beta Kappa", what is the relationship between the two halves of the phrase? ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

It is not correct in formal American English to say "graduated Phi Beta Kappa" because election to the honorary society is independent of the institution granting the degree. We do say "graduated cum laude" because that is an annotation the college or university puts on the degree itself. Such sentences also don't say what degree the person graduated with. Since encyclopedia articles shouldn't be written in slang, use a better statement to express the same thing. Use "Mary Morgan graduated with a BA degree from Essential University and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa." StarryGrandma (talk) 21:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Saying "graduated Phi Beta Kappa" is perfectly correct in American English, unless you're a prescriptivist. Mathglot (talk) 06:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Subpages

Just by curiosity, why are subpages disabled in the english Wikipedia ? Vincent-vst (talk) 17:52, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vincent-vst, as far as I know, subpages are not generally disabled on English Wikipedia. What pages did you run into that were not allowed to be created? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@User:199.208.172.35 I was reading : Wikipedia:Subpages and it says that subpages have been disabled in the English Wikipedia. I never actually needed nor used this feature. I was just intrigued when reading it. Vincent-vst (talk) 18:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vincent-vst, that's only in mainspace (i.e., for articles themselves), not the whole of Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

oh ok Vincent-vst (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Subpages are disabled in mainspace, but supported in (for example) Wikipedia and User spaces. I haven't seen a justification, but it's a trade-off. If you have sub-pages, then you cannot have a page name containing a slash. This is a disadvantage for an encyclopaedia, and I don't see an obvious advantage to allowing subpages. ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

The justification put forward at the page mentioned above is: This namespace (which is where articles reside) does not have this feature turned on because strictly hierarchical organisation of articles is discouraged, and other distinctions are better made by placing pages in other namespaces (e.g. discussions go in "Talk:", and templates in "Template:") 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

thank you Vincent-vst (talk) 09:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Page and articles

Hi,

I was wondering if somone can explain to me the difference between a page and an article, from what I understood an article is a form of page, so does a page needs to be submitted for review like article drafts or not? What is the difference between the two when it comes to the creating process? RWikiED20 (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Articles are specifically items in mainspace, not talk pages or items in other spaces. Earth is an article, Talk:Earth is not. "Pages" is derived from "webpage" and would be all Wikipedia items. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Articles are one kind of page; but we often distinguish them here on the Help desk and similar places because (at least in my view) it helps to remind inexperienced editors that Wikipedia articles are nothing like pages on social media, even if there are superficial similarities: on the contrary, they are articles in an encylcopaedia, with quite strict requirements about sourcing, neutrality, and tone of writing. ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RWikiED20. You can create as many non-article pages as you want, as long as they are for the purpose of improving the encyclopedia. These might be sandbox pages where you are developing content, essays about various Wikipedia issues, lists of links that you find useful, and so on. No disruptive content is permitted. There is no formal review process for non-article pages unless you are trying to write a new policy or guideline. By the way, the Articles for Creation process is voluntary and optional for most editors. Cullen328 (talk) 22:47, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

So a page is like a personnal draft right? and it can't be a regular article. RWikiED20 (talk) 22:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

RWikiED20, all articles are pages, but we normally call them "articles" instead of "pages". There are many additional types of pages. Drafts are just one other type of page. The Teahouse is a page. Administrative noticeboards are pages. Policies and guidelines are pages. File description pages are pages. Articles for Deletion debates are pages. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 22:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

We have about 6.5 million articles and about 56.6 million pages. Cullen328 (talk) 23:02, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Error i made on 2022 in radio

Can you fix the error i made on the article i did a short while ago please. 98.186.55.18 (talk) 21:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done, the title paramater was missing Cmr08 (talk) 22:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Missing Data

I was looking for Massachusetts Median Income, and the page was very useful, except it did not include Cambridge, which is one of our larger Cities. Who do I contact about this, and how? regards -- Cliff CRK-Wenonah (talk) 23:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, CRK-Wenonah. I'm afraid that there isn't anybody to contact about this. Wikipedia is created by individual volunteers who work on what they choose. If some information you are looking for is not where you would expect on Wikipedia, you're out of luck. One possibility is that you could go looking for the information youself, and if you find a reliable source, contrinbute to Wikipedia by adding the information to the article. Alternatively, you could ask at the Wikipedia:Reference Desk/Miscellaneous or at WT:WikiProject Massachusetts - there is no guarantee that you will get an answer, but somebody might be motivated to go and look for one. ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

October 4

What is going on here?

Howdy. I've been noticing a lot of the same content addition edits lately by the same editor and wonder what is going on here? [3], [4], [5], [6], etc. Are all these "unrealized project" and "collaborations" tables added really necessary? I would ask the editor[7], but I do not know how to leave a message for an unregistered user. Hope I'm not trolling or being nosy, just curious. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 01:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

You can leave a message on an IP's talk page, and the editor might see it; but there's no guarantee that they will, because they may have a different IP address next time they connect. ColinFine (talk) 10:58, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I need some help

Good day! Dear Wikipedians, I really need help. For the first time in my life I am writing a new article, before that I only edited it, but I feel the strength to bring an article about good people to the vastness of Wikipedia. I am a student, but due to the war in my country, education has deteriorated a bit, in terms of lack of information in my direction. We have an IT company in our city, which in my, and indeed in all universities in the city, conducts free lectures and courses for those who are interested in the technical direction. It also helped our university technically. Since universities do not give good information about development, this was a chance for me to fulfill my dream of starting to program. I haven’t become a developer yet, and I don’t think it will happen soon, but this company helps people like me from start to finish, and even in practice there is an opportunity to try to do something. I am inspired by such actions, because for the first time I see that an IT company is somehow culturally and educationally connected with the society and I am proud that there is such a thing even in my hometown. But it was quite difficult to write an article, since all and information about them is mainly in English, and this is not my native language. Due to the fact that I have not yet succeeded in writing articles, I turn to you for help and tips. My article is in the wikipedia incubator "incubator: bandapixels". Please help me, what are the next steps after the article is published in the incubator and what should I correct in the article. I would be very grateful for any help! V.rova (talk) 06:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Apparently this is about something on a different website; see this discussion. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:29, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@V.rova, if you want to write an article here on English Wikipedia, then you can click Draft:Bandapixels and get started (see Help:Your first article for further instructions). However, you may prefer writing an article on a version of Wikipedia in your native language - there is a list of all of them here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello! Yes, indeed, it so happened that I did not fully understand that the incubator belongs to the Russian-language Wikipedia, so it happened. Thanks a lot for the reply V.rova (talk) 06:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

V.rova, rather than creating something at the "Incubator", you created ru:Инкубатор:BandaPixels. You're welcome to copy its content and paste this to Draft:BandaPixels, if the very first edit you make to the latter (i.e. the edit that creates it) has a summary that makes it clear that it's a copy of ru:Инкубатор:BandaPixels. You'd then have to improve the draft a lot before submitting it as a candidate article. For example: BandaPixels was established in [year] as a brainchild of [number] development experts with a shared vision on how to make a difference with technological innovation. Their goal was to create IT company aimed at delivering high-performing solutions to businesses across the globe. To which my reaction is "Yes, exactly like a squillion other new IT companies." What the draft needs is information and commentary from reliable sources. To be "reliable", the source must satisfy various criteria, one of them being independence from BandaPixels. -- Hoary (talk) 22:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Got it. I had problems with the incubator, because I mistakenly believed that it belonged to the English-language Wikipedia too. Because of this, at first I even tried to remove this comment, as I understood that they would most likely not understand me. Thank you very much for your help, you really helped me a lot! V.rova (talk) 06:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I very much suspect that the Инкубатор: is ru-wiki's equivalent of the Draft: namespace, and nothing to do with Wikimedia's incubator. So yes, V.rova, that incubator is part of ru-wiki. But most ieditors of en-wiki (including me until a few minutes ago) did not know that the draft space in ru-wiki was called Инкубатор, and presumed you must be talking about the Wikimedia incubator that Theroadislong pointed you at. --ColinFine (talk) 13:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Black mode/background

It would be very nice to see having an option of black mode/background at Wikipedia. Is that something you will be doing ?

Thanks,

Niko (from Greece) Gkioulbakses (talk) 08:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Gkioulbakses: You can go to Special:Preferences#mw-input-wpgadget-dark-mode-toggle. You'll find an option to get a dark mode toggle button, checkmark that. Save the settings. Now go to any page, you'll find a "Dark mode" button at the top bar of your screen between "Beta" & "Watchlist". Click that and now you're in dark mode. If you want to come back to light mode, you'll see an option at that same place between "Beta" & "Watchlist". —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 09:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

That's not a true dark mode as it's technically just a color inverter. Would be nice to see a proper dark mode implemented. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Urvashi Rautela

Urvashi Rautela about information is incorrect, she was born in Kotdwara but wikipedia showing it his birth place Haridwar. 14.98.67.237 (talk) 09:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

This has been discussed several times on the talk page Talk:Urvashi Rautela. The current claim has a citation (though I don't know how reliable the source is). The claim for Kotdwara was backed up by this source, but that says that Kotdwara is her "hometown" and that she spent most of her childhood there: it does not say that she was born there. In any case, this is a content dispute which needs to be discussed, and consensus reached, on the talk page. ColinFine (talk) 11:08, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

unexplained post

Wikipedia:Help desk-Wikipedia 2A02:A317:E046:2600:D06B:8973:7E64:D2E6 (talk) 09:51, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, this is the Help desk for Wikipedia. Have you got a question about editing Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 11:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Help:IPA/Slovene

In June, I have substantially expanded and also updated the article about Slovene phonology and thus the help page is not in accordance with the phonology article and has to be updated as well. I have posted my thoughts on the talk page, but so far no one has commented. If you are interested, please visit the talk page and post your comment there. Garygo golob (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Garygo golob, most help desk helpers won't know much about Slovene phonology (apologies to any who do). I would suggest posting your notice at the talk pages for WP:SLOVENIA and WP:LINGUISTICS. TSventon (talk) 15:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I posted that here because that is what the message when you want to post something on the talk page said. Thanks for advice, though. Garygo golob (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Garygo golob, of course you are welcome to post here. The message seems to be addressed to people who edit talk pages in the help namespace and says, "consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response". If you had a question about a page like Help:Your first article, I would expect help desk helpers to be able to advise you. Help:IPA/Slovene is more specialist and it is unlikely, but not impossible, that helpers here will be able to comment on Slovene phonology. TSventon (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

How to update a link within a page

The information for current mayor on the Belmont CA page is incorrect and it appears that it's pulling from the city's 2019 website. Is there a way to update the link so that it has the current mayor, Julia Mates? Packacards (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done The information wasn't being "pulled" from the website; the website was merely being used as a reference for the information. I've updated the article based on the name of the mayor currently listed at the site. DonIago (talk) 16:47, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Starting Seven

I am unable to sign up for "Starting Seven." How can I find out if I am enrolled in it? 72.132.244.124 (talk) 17:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

This help desk is for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. If you want help with 'Starting Seven' (whatever that is) you'll have to find it somewhere else. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Page deletion

How can I retrieve a page that was deleted? Onoja1 (talk) 19:29, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Onoja1: You can ask the admin that deleted it, or request it at WP:REFUND. It will depend on the reasons for deletion if you will be able to get a copy of it or not. RudolfRed (talk) 19:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Redirect deletion

Special:Contributions/AistisXD has created several redirects. Many of those are all possible variations of capitalization, e.g.

• Bald And bankrupt
• Bald And Bankrupt
• Bald and bankrupt

Some are in all caps (shouting), e.g. KIPELOV. I would like to nominate some of the user's redirects for deletion. Some are already deleted at RfD. It will be a bit of work to "manually" nominate them all with Twinkle, or manually in the source editor.

Special:PermanentLink/1113073798#Redirects_from_unusual_capitalizations lists the reasons why these redirects are not useful. My reasons for why the redirects should be deleted are that they clutter the Whatlinkshere listings without any advantages.

This is the help desk, so here is my question: If these redirects are unwanted, I would assume they all would already be RfD'ed, but they aren't. Is it a good idea for me to nominate them? And how do I, easiest and with the least efforts, nominate many of these redirects for deletion? (I know how to nominate one at a time, but I guess it is inconvenient.) Utfor (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Utfor. We have a saying around Wikipedia, "Redirects are cheap", meaning, I guess, that they don't waste computer resources. If you do nothing, Wikipedia won't be much worse off than it is right now.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Those useless redirects should eventually be picked up by the new pages patrol. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:20, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for both answers. Utfor (talk) 20:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit Not Displaying

The Page I created 2022 BYU Cougars football team has a section titled Depth Chart that isn't displaying properly after I complete the edits. For context see the section titled Depth Chart on the 2021 BYU Cougars football team page which displays the defense line, linebackers and safety positions correctly. Yerfdog71 (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Yerfdog71 Does it look correct now? It appear you setup the template as 4–3 (with a en dash), but the template requires 4-3 (with a hyphen). -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 20:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Yep, Thanks! Yerfdog71 (talk) 21:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

user name

can I change my user name? not the name itself but to change a capitalized letter to lower case rfcichon (talk) 22:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Rfcichon Unfortunately technical limitations prevent that; you can only do as you have done, and pipe your signature. 331dot (talk) 22:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

You can also create the pages User:Rfcichon and User talk:Rfcichon with the text {{lowercase title}} to display your name with lowercase r on those two pages but not elsewhere. Your real username cannot start with a lowercase letter and the real name with R is displayed in many other places. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

thanks rfcichon (talk) 20:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

thanks rfcichon (talk) 20:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

October 5

Where to find old Canadian TV ratings data (specifically 1987-1992)?

Hi, I apologize if this is not the correct place to ask, but I've been editing many articles about the Degrassi teen drama franchise for the past eighteen months and I have been looking for Canadian ratings data from 1987 to 1992 to add to the articles and episode lists. Multiple newspapers at the time claimed that the show had an average of a million viewers weekly and I want to cite the exact figures the same way American TV show articles cite Nielsen data, instead of citing claims and estimates from newspapers. If anybody could help out, I would greatly appreciate it. ToQ100gou (talk) 00:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi ToQ100gou. You might want to try asking about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Degrassi task force since the members of those groups might be able to give you a quicker response. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @ToQ100gou. Adding on to @Marchjuly's response— you may want to leave a comment at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment. Hope this helps! Helloheart (talk) 03:22, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

MFD nomination

Please create the MFD nomination page for this non notable draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:B4blaze_(newspaper) for deletion on my behalf as I am unable to create a new page. Please use this comment on my behalf. You can feel free to add your own !vote too.

{{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=The page is clearly not proven to be notable, it has been in draft for more than six months without any actual content edits, but since the admin reverted CSD G13 nomination, I am nominating it for MFD. It should be noted that the draft is about an article which has been rejected multiple times by reviewers and will likely not be accepted in its current state.}} -- 59.89.236.60 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.89.236.60 (talk • contribs) 06:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:B4blaze (newspaper) - apparently there have been shenanigans of some kind at the draft. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done as requested, see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:B4blaze (newspaper). —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 12:43, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hacker

My dream is big hacker — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:3A2C:B56A:2965:2C50:28A3:2906 (talk) 06:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Start by reading Hacker. -Arch dude (talk) 06:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

CITEREF Related Usage Questions

hi. i wand to know the internal mechanism of CITEREF and template 'harv' I encountered CITEREF in the harv template. How to use all about CITEREF.

You think that CITEREF is the anchor for footnotes. (Smith 2005, p. 25) is makes anchor '#CITEREFSmith2005'

so I made it but it doesn't work. I want to create an internal link like an anchor function. thanks.

---

or

#Smith2005 or #CITEREFSmith2005

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References

Rlakk00 (talk) 13:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

It is hard for me to decode what you are asking. In the general case, citation style 1 templates ({{cite book}}, etc) create an anchor id that is the concatenation of the static text CITEREF; the surnames from the author-name list, Smith from your example; and the year portion from |date=, 2005 from your example to make CITEREFSmith2005. This id becomes an attribute of the rendered citation's <cite id="CITEREFSmith2005"> tag. For example, this template (using different surname to avoid duplicate target error messaging):

{{cite book |last=Greene |first=EB |date=2005 |title=Title}}

Greene, EB (2005). Title.

<cite id="CITEREFGreene2005" class="citation book cs1">Greene, EB (2005). ''Title''.</cite>

{{harv}} takes surnames and dates to make a link to the citation template's anchor id:

{{harv|Greene|2005}}

(Greene 2005)

([[#CITEREFGreene2005|Greene 2005]])

Did I answer the question?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Various family members are listed in Wikipedia. I would like to add a reference source to the listed information for each one. How can I do it? Thank you.

Ralph Hoffmann, Gertrude Hoffmann, Gertrude Bliss, Eleanor Hoffmann, Eleanor Beata von Erdberg, etc. CarolCairene (talk) 14:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@CarolCairene: There’s a wizard to make the request here. Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard/COI. Since you are related, you have what Wikipedia defines as a conflict of interest (COI). You can ping me if you need help. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:04, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

A conflict of interest, perhaps, but also a source of more information about each person since my source is based on family material, such as letters, articles, etc.

I would like to add the following to their articles: Lives in Letters: A New England Family, 1870-2000 by Caroline Williams

Thank you for your reply. CarolCairene (talk) 15:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@CarolCairene You should make the edit request easier for those who will look at it by including your book in the form of {{cite book}} as Williams, Caroline H. (2015). Lives in Letters: A New England Family, 1870-2000. CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform. pp. 1–346. ISBN 978-1523840151.. (See my source code for the citation) Give the page numbers relevant to each person and the precise text you want that book source to support. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

CarolCairene, as you know, CreateSpace is a self-publishing platform. A self-published book by a family member is not a reliable source for use as a reference on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 16:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, and I do not mean to engage in self-puffery. My book is based on boxes of letters and family material I inherited and which have since gone to the Massachusetts Historical society, where the material is on file. My book is an available, schematized version of this material. I like Mike Turnbull's suggestion that I cite the book, and cite pages numbers for each person, but I don't know how to do that. 50.206.141.53 (talk) 16:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

The problem is that unpublished information may not be used as a source (ever) in Wikipedia, and information which has not been published by a reputable publisher (i.e, not reliable in Wikipedia's sense) can only be used in very limited circumstances. If information is not citable to a reliable published source, it should almost never appear in a Wikipedia article. ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but in addition to letters (the subject's own words) I quote material that has been published about that person. I give sources for all the material I use in compiling these profiles of family members. 50.206.141.53 (talk) 17:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@CarolCairene/IP editor, then please use the same published material you quoted in your book to cite additions here on Wikipedia (assuming they are reliable published sources). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Picture Upload

Hi,

I would be grateful if you could show me how I can upload a picture to a profile

Reagrds SatchmoGH (talk) 17:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@SatchmoGH, I have reverted your edit to Kwabena Agyapong as it was entirely inappropriate; you removed all references and added unsourced material written in an inappropriate tone.

Wikipedia does not have profiles, it has articles about notable subjects. If you wish to add a picture, it must be uploaded either to English Wikipedia or to Wikimedia Commons, and it must either be freely licensed (for Commons) or meet the non-free content criteria (for local uploads to English Wikipedia). What is the image you wish to upload, and what is its copyright status? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

My Photo

I tried to upload a photo of me that is literally from my camera roll and is owned BY me and you people wont fucking let me up load it. Mark West69 (talk) 17:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mark West69, I see you've tripped a bunch of cross-wiki upload filters, but it looks like none of them actually disallowed your upload. What message(s) did you receive? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't matter where the picture is, or who owns the film. The copyright owner is the person who took the actual picture. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, I've seen several times here the statement "If it's a photo of you, it almost certainly wasn't take BY you, so the copyright is owned by the person who took the photo." But I've taken many photos of myself by setting the camera up somewhere (e.g., a tripod?), putting in a 10 second delay, then running around in front. Those are photos of me, and the copyright is owned either by me or by the little shutter timer gadget in my camera. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, in those cases where YOU are the operator of the camera, you are also the copyright holder, and the picture is "own work". --Orange Mike | Talk 20:44, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

So the unspoken assumption that I've seen from time to time here that if a photo if of you, you can't hold copyright in it because someone else must have taken it isn't necessarily warranted. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

You are correct. Our problem lies in the idea people have, that if they hand their phone/camera to a third party, and say, "Take a picture", that they own the copyright because it was their device and the picture is of them. Whereas in fact, the law in its majesty declares that the passing stranger is the copyright holder. I have photos of me with Hillary Clinton, and with Velma Dinkley, where this is the case, and I cannot use the photos in any non-social way. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Mike! You'd have been OK if it was Scooby who took the picture of you and Velma, because of this. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.128.129 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Fascinating article, but why isn't there one on Cetacean Community v. Bush? Now I'm left wondering in ignorance... until I turn to Google... 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

This got me looking on line about handing a passerby your camera and who owns copyright. I found an online discussion. You might find this post amusing: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/13659488 Uporządnicki (talk) 21:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding an entry for a small UK trade union (now defunct)

The Telephone Contract Officers Association (TCOA) was a small UK trade union that represented men and women who sold telephones and telephone systems for what was then called Post Office Telephones and later became British Telecommunications (and was then privatised in the 1980s as BT). At one point it represented around 1,000 people and was part of the main alliance of Post Office unions in Britain. In 1980 it was merged with a larger union that itself subsequently became the Communications Workers Union. I'd like to create an entry for the TCOA. There are plenty of stories in the UK press about the union, going back to WW2, and it's recognised as having been an affiliate by the UK Trades Union Congress so I don't think there'll be any problem with notability and there are good citations (I additionally plan to get in touch with the TUC to see if I can access the union's archives). This will be my first from-scratch entry so I'd be most grateful for tips or advice here Are there any issues I should be aware of in preparing an entry of this type? Thanks! bowbrick (talk) 19:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bowbrick: There's a brief mention of Telephone Contract Officers Association on Association of Scientific, Technical and Managerial Staffs, and it's sourced with a directory you might want to look at. John B. Smethurst and Peter Carter, Historical Directory of Trade Unions, vol.6, pp.197-198. I also see Eaton, Jack; Gill, Colin (1981). The Trade Union Directory. London: Pluto Press. pp. 54–68. ISBN 0861043502 as a ref for Transport and General Workers' Union. That article might give you some format and content ideas. You can also ask for sourcing and general content advice at Wikipedia:Reference desk. Good luck. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

signature colors

I have been trying to change the talk page link colors for my signature but i still am struggling on how to do it. Td^she/her 20:04, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

You use HTML/CSS to do it. For example: <span style="color:red">text</span> renders as text. In your case you can save some characters by placing the HTML inside the link, for example: ^she/her (look at the source code to see what I mean). Madeline (part of me) 21:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

How To NOT Get Donations, 101

Only way I find to send this message. You ask for donations. You REQUIRE prospective donors to provide their email address. Many do not wish to do so, Very very many. And many are quite annoyed that you ask a favor and then impose conditions on them before we can accomodate you. We get far too much email already and we don't want to be forced to invite more for the great honor of giving you money.How many people do you suppose blow it off when they come to this demand? How many lost donations can you afford. Never, ever impose an unnecessary requirement for someone to give you money. This is dirt obvious. Smanion (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Smanion: Wikipedia doesn't have any control over how the Wikimedia Organization handles its donation scheme. If you have concerns over donations, contact donate@wikimedia.org. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Smanion If you are really interested in donating but are concerned about your email address, create a throwaway email account to use. Donations are also accepted by postal mail. 331dot (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Contact

I am having a lot of difficulty making contact with Wikipedia. I would like to start by adding your stylized "W" to my toolbox at the bottom of the page to help with this problem, and to find information to find solutions to my many other problems, just to get started. You will probably wish to know that I have made Wikipedia contributions for many years now. 2604:3D09:27D:2C00:C5D7:E086:78C9:7D6E (talk) 21:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no central authority to contact, you have contacted Wikipedia by posting here. This board is for asking questions. If you have questions to pose, please do so. 331dot (talk) 21:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a monolithic structure with a defined hierarchy. You get in contact with its editors by using talk pages or noticeboards, not by asking for the (non-existent) manager. What staff Wikipedia has do not make editorial decisions and do not edit in their capacity as staff barring specific circumstances. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I think you're asking how to add a link to Wikipedia somewhere on a device you're using - computer desktop? Browser? Mobile phone? If you're much more specific about what you want to do, the folks at the computing reference desk may be able to help. Whether or not you contribute makes no difference here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:44, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

nofollow title is somehow lowercase, but in the talk page and not when I edit it!

So, the aforementioned article displays a lowercase title when viewing. However, the Talk page is called "Talk:Nofollow", and when editing, the part of the name in the URL is "Nofollow", and the page is also named "Nofollow". Same goes for the meta page. How did this wizardry happen? Is this intentional? Is there a way to change it? Aaron Liu (talk) 23:06, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Aaron Liu: If you edit the article's source, you will see it has the template {{lowercase title}}, which changes how the title is displayed to readers. Isabelle ^🏳‍🌈 23:11, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Ah, makes sense. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

My edit has been deleted

Why has my edit been deleted? It's easily verifiable. How can I include links to sources that don't exist yet because my novel is about to be published and therefore doesn't have a website or anything yet?