Talk:2022 United Kingdom government crisis

Crisis

I think it is adequately clear what the crisis is around and putting in the mass resignation is unecessary. Catholic nerd (talk) 00:15, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Probably a bit early for

{{Incomplete_list}} - David Gerard (talk) 12:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

September 2022 United Kingdom mini-budget

Let's reach a consensus regarding whether or not to include the September 2022 United Kingdom mini-budget on this page, as there seems to be an edit war brewing. I personally think it should be included, because it was a crisis involving the Truss government in and of itself, and it explains the relationship between the July and October crises. Carguychris (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Right now it's changing faster than the Tory front bench. For my part, I say we should include the mini-budget, because although it's clearly connected to the current crisis, it is in fact its own event with its own narrative and context, and it was unambiguously a crisis. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Disagree. It's part of the current crisis, and indeed precipitated it (even the UK can't have two crises in under four weeks). Furthermore, this is a disambiguation page, so we should only be including pages where the title actually needs to be disambiguated for a searcher; this isn't a list page or an article, so explaining the relationship between the two crises isn't appropriate here. Espatie (talk) 00:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

There exist a lot of disambiguation pages that list not only articles with the same title, but also closely related concepts. An arbitrary example I just found: Battle of Kyiv also lists sieges, pillages, captures and unsuccessful offensives, besides just things named battles. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:22, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Agreed - include. The mini-budget was clearly a crisis in its own right, and as it has a page to itself then it belongs here as one of the things that "2022_United_Kingdom_government_crisis" could be referring to MrStoofer (talk) 07:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Include. It was a crisis of the United Kingdom government that happened in 2022 so it should be included on this page. If we need to make this a list or set index rather than disambiguation page to include it then make it one - what matters is what is most helpful to readers and I was surprised to see it missing. Thryduulf (talk) 10:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Disagree. The budget was not a crisis in itself, although it did directly lead to the October one. Bazonka (talk) 12:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Include as the mini-budget sparked the crisis. Really two crises – a fiscal crisis followed by a government crisis. Perhaps a solution might be to create a redirect titled 2022 United Kingdom fiscal crisis and include that here. This is Paul (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

This disambiguation page is exclusively for the government crisis. The fiscal crisis shouldn't be mentioned here. Remember that this is a dab page, not an article. Bazonka (talk) 13:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

What the page technically is doesn't matter, what matters is what most helps the readers and excluding the fiscal crisis of the government because it isn't a political crisis of government does not help readers. Thryduulf (talk) 21:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Exactly. The mini-budget itself wasn't a political crisis either, but we're having a debate about whether or not to include it. I tend to agree with Thryduulf, and think that it's about whatever best helps people to find the information. Perhaps a solution could be to include a link in a "see also" section, showing that it has relevance to the topic. This is Paul (talk) 22:26, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Not that I want to complicate things, but it's worth noting there's also a 2022 Northern Ireland political crisis redirect, which could be regarded as a government crisis, and as Northern Ireland is part of the UK, etc. This is Paul (talk) 19:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Include, it's a reasonable enough interpretation that it constituted a crisis in-and-of itself, so keeping the link in the disambiguation page is the most helpful to readers who may search for it that way. --Cerebral726 (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Exclude as, although the budget may have been a contributory factor, it was not itself a crisis as such. -- DeFacto (talk). 14:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Include the main question is, could it be, that someone, who is typing in 2022 United Kingdom Government crisis, is looking for the mini budget. How much the mini budget and the October crisis are the same or different is more a question of if one of those should be a subpoint to the other, but as long as those are separate articles, they should be both listed.Tirex367 (talk) 20:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)