Talk:Cult of personality

Where are CoPs most common?

Generally, personality cults are most common in regimes with totalitarian systems of government

This is the common perception, but how accurate is it really? It would be nice if we could cite a research paper that examines all of history with a clear definition of what a cult of personality actually is.Kurzon (talk)

Mount Rushmore

Is this inclusion appropriate? All of the presidents who were sculpted in Mount Rushmore were dead when it was created; isn't it a requirement of a personality cult that its subjects be living? We should require a reliable source before including this image in the gallery. Grover cleveland (talk) 05:43, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Cults of personality frequently outlast the personalities at the center of them. Think of the time between Stalin's death and Khrushchev's taking him down, or Mao, think of the many people who still worship Hitler, consider Peronism. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:42, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Cults of personality are normally originated during the leader's lifetime, though. And instigated intentionally by the leader. Celebration of long-dead leaders after the fact is something different from a cult of personality. Even if that celebration evolves (or perhaps degenerates is a better word?) into a similarly cultish reverence, that's still not the same thing as a leader deliberately crafting his own personality cult. — Red XIV ^(talk) 06:18, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Donald Trump

Those who wish to see the addition of Donald Trump: where are the WP:DUE sources? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:54, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

This is absolutely impossible because a Cult of Personality is something you can never have a "neutral point of view" about, for the sole reason that it is a negatively-connotated characteristic, only ever noticed by people who are not in the cult of personality itself.

Both Trump and Biden's current campaigns check all the marks of a "cult of personality", but whenever anyone tries to add one, the other side will cry "neutral!!!". RiddleSnowcraft (talk) 01:57, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Biden?!?! Pull the other one. Biden is as far from being the center of a "cult of personality" as it's possible for anyone in American national politics to be. In point of fact, he was elected because he was the anti-Trump in every respect, including that one. You're wildly off the mark. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:38, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Biden. As with any politician whose speeches are greeted by overemotional reactions and a show of lights, fireworks and media outlets making sure everybody knows how "great" and "ideal" he is, with little to zero concern to what he actually can or will do in the job. That's the definition of a cult of personality, as elaborated in the page itself. Him being elected as an anti-Trump is itself another characteristic of a cult of personality, the former president's wrongdoings do not discharacterize the current one's romanticized public image. --RiddleSnowcraft (talk) 06:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Speeches with lights = Cult of Personality. An interesting hypothesis. Anyway, since you just described just about any politician I don't think it's going to hold a lot of water. Trump is the closest thing to s Cult of Personality this country has seen in ages (the fact that so many put loyalty to him personally over to their country, yet still call themselves "patriots," is evidence of that), but even so we'd need a lot of good sources if we wanted to include him here. This shouldn't be a list of examples anyway; that's how the article used to be and it was a mess. Besides, including Trump would imply he has a personality, which isn't backed up by any evidence. -R. fiend (talk) 14:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Trump clearly belongs here based not on evidence of his behavior but on evidence of those who blindly violate the most fundamental principles of the U.S. Constitution at his behest. Regardless of whether he desired it, a mob of brainwashed lemmings coalesced around him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C3:4001:9220:78A8:525E:A4C6:9D23 (talk) 01:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

How can anyone say that Trump does not have a Cult of Personality? His supporters had stormed the Capitol following his speech deriding the election as "Stopping the Steal", and 86% of his party in the Senate acquitted him in the second impeachment trial, even after indisputable evidence to his actions and inactions -- further dereliction of duty -- during the assault on the Capitol. Even McCarthy's phone call pleading with Trump to call off the attackers, while Trump did nothing, was entered into the record. The fact that Trump waited several hours to deploy the National Guard and call off his supporters with the infamous "You're loved, and very special" message, yet was still acquitted by his party -- in a case where there was no justifiable defense, only cements that Trump does have a Cult of Personality, or at least, has turned the Republican Party (or the majority of it) into a so-called Trump Party. The user citing that Biden has a cult is just delusional. If Biden had committed any of the crimes or scandals witnessed the last five years, he would have been swiftly relieved of office. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5CC0:3060:65BE:3C6E:9CA:E294 (talk) 17:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

You're delusional. His speech wasn't the cause of the riot. You're forgetting all the other more terrible things the left, for example, has done - yes including Joe Biden. I don't see how continuing to add fuel to the fire helps - and that's what created Trump. People would follow anyone. And how many more million will miss the point and play the blame game? Gosh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:9600:52C0:6594:3843:DA62:C33E (talk) 00:01, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Bullshit. Stop defending Trump's insurrection. 76.250.174.121 (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

• Sorry, this all just the flapping of gums. Anyone who wants Trump to be included needs to start a formal consensus discussion, preferably in the form of an RfC. The issue has already been discussed here, and the consensus was not to include him, so you'll need to overcome that with a new consensus. After all, WP:Consensus can change. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:18, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I would say there's ample coverage in a wide range of sources describing Trump's cult of personality. Wikipedia's articles are supposed to reflect what the reliable sources say, not what we wish was true. — Red XIV ^(talk) 06:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Western bias?

I noticed that this article only lists examples of cults of personality in countries the west doesn’t like (Russia, China, etc.) and any attempts to add western cults of personality like trump, reagan or thatcher are removed. What’s up with that? These three I listed definitely have cults of personality around them, don’t act like the west is all sunshine and rainbows 2.100.192.236 (talk) 20:20, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Robert E. Lee and Queen Elizabeth

These should go without saying. 89.253.73.146 (talk) 16:57, 17 October 2022 (UTC)