Talk:Ferdinand Magellan

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2021

Change "The fleet left Spain on 20 September 1519," into The fleet left Spain on 20th August 1519, 106.215.88.223 (talk) 14:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

His name isn’t Magellan.

We can’t simply go changing people’s names just because we can’t pronounce them or spell them correctly. It’s wrong, a bad example of language supremacy. 2A00:23C5:E580:9201:6C51:910E:FDED:D673 (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

The English-language Wikipedia uses the most common name in use among English-speakers for the title of an article. Please see WP:COMMONNAME. - Donald Albury 23:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

First European navigation between Atlantic to Asia was done by Vasco da Gama in 1498

It says on the article: "And achieved the first European navigation from the Atlantic to Asia". This is false. The first European navigation from the Atlantic to Asia was done by Vasco da Gama, more than 20 years before Magellan, in 1498. What Magellan completed, was the first European navigation from the Atlantic to Asia via the West (the Pacific), since the Portuguese had already completed that before via the East, reaching India in 1498, South East Asia in 1509, and China in 1514. Magellan showed the Spanish how to reach Asia via the West. 95.93.39.10 (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Name

Why this article is about Ferdinand Magellan ? His real name was Fernão de Magalhães. How difficult is to English speaking people to get foreign names as they are ?Korina (talk) 18:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

See the answer to the section titled "His name isn’t Magellan." above. HiLo48 (talk) 23:58, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

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Not the first European to navigate from the Atlantic to Asia.

In 1497-1499, Vasco Da Gama completed a voyage south through the Atlantic, around the Cape of Good Hope, and terminating in India. This was 20 years before Magellan’s voyage. Magellan’s page should clarify that Magellan was the first to travel WEST from the Atlantic to Asia. 2601:199:880:B9A:F988:4C7E:723B:AE10 (talk) 19:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

List of other survivors.

Indigenous people: Juan Cermeño, Francisco (slave), Manuel, interested in the value of the currency and the price of pepper. and the price of pepper, so the three are forbidden to leave Spain.

Island of Santiago (Cape Verde) 9th July 1522, 12 men were retained, on the 14th Elcano set sail. List of detainees: Martín Méndez, secretary of the fleet. Pedro de Tolosa, storekeeper. Richard de Lombardía, carpenter. Roland de Argate, gunner. Simón de Burgos, constable. Juan and Pedro Martín, supernumeraries. Sailors: Felipe de Rodas, Gómez Hernández, Bocacho Alonso, and Pedro de Chinduza. and Pedro de Chinduza. Cabin boy, Pasquito. They returned weeks later to Seville via Lisbon.

Previously there was another group of 5 crew members from the Nao Trinidad, prisoners of the Portuguese at El Maluco. They returned in 1525-26. in 1525-26: León Pancaldo, pilot. Gonzalo Gómez de Espinosa, constable. Hans Berguen, artilleryman. Juan Rodriguez "the deaf", sailor. Jinés de Mafra, sailor. Berguen died shortly after they all arrived at the Lisbon prison of Minoeiro. of Minoeiro. This is the list of the survivors who returned to Sanlúcar after their round-the-world trip:

Name Position Juan Sebastián Elcano, from Guetaria Captain Francisco Albo, from Axio (Greece)22 Pilot Miguel de Rodas, from Rhodes (Greece) Pilot Juan de Acurio, from Bermeo Pilot Antonio Lombardo Pigafetta, of Vicenza (Italy) Outstanding Martín de Yudícibus, of Savona (Italy) Mariner Hernando de Bustamante, from Mérida Sailor and barber Nicolas the Greek, of Nafplio (Greece) Seaman Miguel Sanchez de Rodas, of Rhodes (Greece) Seaman Antonio Hernández Colmenero, from Ayamonte (Ayamonte) Seaman Francisco Rodríguez, from Seville (Portugal) Sailor Juan Rodríguez, from Huelva Seaman Diego Carmena Gallego, from Bayonne Sailor Hans, from Aachen (Germany) Artilleryman Juan de Arratia, from Bilbao Cabin boy Vasco Gómez Gallego el Portugués, from Bayonne Cabin boy Juan de Santander,23, from Cueto Cabin boy Juan de Zubileta, from Baracaldo Pageboy

Fernando de Magallanes - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre Jcollmart (talk) 18:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

We would need reliable sources to add those names, and I do not see sources cited for more than two of those men in the Spanish Wikipedia article (and I have not evaluated the usefulness of those sources). - Donald Albury 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

La 2 fuente está igualmente abriendo la página de Wikipedia, cambiar idioma a Español y allí escribir "Fernando de Magallanes", una vez abierto poner traductor a English en EL NAVEGADOR QUE USE, NO EN LA WIKIPEDIA. Jcollmart (talk) 17:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia, in any language, is not a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources#User-generated content and es:Wikipedia:Fuentes fiables#Autopublicaciones. - Donald Albury 20:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

La primera vuelta al mundo: el brutal viaje de Magallanes y Elcano hace 500 años en el que solo sobrevivieron 18 de los 250 tripulantes - BBC News Mundo Jcollmart (talk) 15:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

What do you want to use that source for? There are enough English language sources available to eliminate any need for sources in other languages, unless a non-English source is the only available source for some important detail that participating editors feel must be included in the article. I doubt that an item published by the BBC in Spanish would contain any information that is not already available in English-language sources. As for the list of names you added above earlier, I personally see no purpose in listing all of the survivors of the expedition. How would listing their names help readers of the article understand the subject? - Donald Albury 17:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

It helps to know the story: the survivors traveled 24 hours a day on the ship's deck while Magellan had a cabin in the hold. They ate, slept and worked through sun, rain and storms. They made the same voyage and most of them came from the European continent.

So their merit is greater than that of the "protagonist".

But if you think it does not contribute anything you can delete what you consider "for your status in Wiki, not for your reason". Jcollmart (talk) 08:59, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Victim lists. While that essay is about victims, rather than survivors, I think similar reasoning applies. I will not edit war with you, but do not be surprised if other editors also object to you adding a list of unnotable names to the article. Donald Albury 15:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Magellan's Cheesey Feet

Magellan had very cheesey feet. E 205.127.182.8 (talk) 20:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC) We like cheesy feet tho