Talk:Wind power

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habitat loss in lead

Should we remove ", which can lead to "industrialization of the countryside"[5] and habitat loss.[4]" from the lead because:

1) Most new European wind power is far offshore I think - cite 5 seems re Europe mainly

2) Offshore windpower creates habitat with foundations as far as I know. So there ought to be studies cited in the body text estimating whether there is a net loss or gain of habitat I think. After that it could be summarized in the lead if significant

Chidgk1 (talk) 18:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Asarlaí OK I accept your point that the sentence refers to onshore. But is habitat loss significant compared to other causes of habitat loss? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

By all means, delete any reference to blatant existing & future ruination of scenery, both inland and looking out from ocean shores (30+ mile visibility offsets are often impractical). It's all about selling these huge machines as "green" when they're clearly industrial & invasive. Wind turbines also show no real evidence of flattening the global CO2 curve (fossil fuels build them, plus Jevons paradox when people think they can waste "clean" electricity). https://falseprogress.home.blog/2016/08/29/wind-turbines-desecrate-nature/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.25.214.24 (talk) 00:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

It's fair to say, they can cause premature death in PEOPLE.

At least these GIANT turbines! Should as this is the case here NOT AND NEVER combined with:

• strict military grade RF devices of any kind and design
• MASERs (microwaves-operated LASERs, as a LASER uses light, a MASER uses microwaves/RF!)
• Smart meters
• illegal antenna setups of any kind

If else wind power usage causes premature death in people, I do not know! But the 5G in Gateshead was ENSURED to cause it. Reasons why:

• illegal antenna designs for LED street lights 5G (maybe not the rest?!)
• 450 Nanometers frequency in use in the lamp light part (this frequency can cause eye cancer in people! and prostate cancer in the males!)

--2001:9E8:1211:E100:BCF8:8137:B478:513E (talk) 13:57, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Should the "Impact on environment and landscape" section be moved to lead of main article and excerpted back here?

That would have the advantage it would be less work to keep up to date I guess - for example I might trim it slightly and add a couple of sentences specifically about offshore Chidgk1 (talk) 10:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. I don't see anything in the section that needs constantly updated? I also disagree that the section needs trimmed. It's already one of the shortest in the article and is concise, relevant and well-sourced. So it's already a snippet of the main article, which is much longer. ~Asarlaí 13:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Ah I did not mean to make it shorter in the long run but to trim a bit to add new info. Originally the info was in 3 places but I recently combined the lead of the main article with Environmental_impact_of_electricity_generation#Wind_power As offshore wind power is growing so fast nowadays I feel the emphasis should be a little more on the offshore to keep it relevant - for example presumably there will be research on whether floating is more environmentally friendly than concrete-based which can first be detailed in the body of the main article and then summarized in the lead. So I think it would be good for those kind of updates to automatically come through here. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:10, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I welcome more info being added, but I don't think info needs to be removed first - the numbers could be trimmed however. Offshore wind power might be growing, but the article says there is much more on-land wind power right now, so we should focus slightly more on that. ~Asarlaí 08:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Anyone else got an opinion for or against excerpting? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Asarlaí Not sure if your "I disagree" above is about excerpting or changing the content. I just noticed the content is also in Wind_farm#Impact_on_environment_and_landscape - so are you and others now in favor or opposed to excerpting? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:52, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I see from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Environmental+impact+of+wind+power&namespace=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1 that Johnfos did the first of the 4 excerpts back in 2011 - anyone else got any thoughts on whether it should also be excerpted here? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:08, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

moved to the lead of the main article and excerpted back here - as the lead of the main article is now excerpted to 5 articles including this one it should be easier to keep up to date there rather than in the 5 articles Chidgk1 (talk) 13:54, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello Pyrrho the Skipper - above is the discussion - would you like me to explain in more detail? Chidgk1 (talk) 20:23, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I don't see a consensus for your cuts, though? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:59, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't intend to cut anything - the idea is to avoid having to do future updates in so many different places. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:05, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I think we should stop using excerpts for mainspace pages. It's generally bad practice and lowers the quality of articles. So I am definitely against this change --Ita140188 (talk) 08:23, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I am guessing that way back in the 2000s (perhaps before the "excerpt" template was created) an enthusiastic editor duplicated this info in several places.

The excerpting of this info was started back in 2011 by @Johnfos and I think he did right. I am not sure how many duplications of the info there were in his time but when I started not long ago there were 5 or 6. Now it is down to 2 as far as I know.

I find it tedious to try and keep the info up to date in 2 different places and I suspect future editors will too. So I feel that this excerpt would increase the quality of the articles as I and hopefully others will be more motivated to keep the info up to date. For example I added a sentence about underwater noise to the lead of the main article and I am not sure I can be bothered to repeat that edit here or keep them both up to date in future. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request, Broken Link

There is a broken link on the "External links" section on the IEA's Dynamic Data Dashboard. It has been moved to a new domain which can be found here: https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/data-tools/renewables-2021-data-explorer?mode=market&region=World&publication=2021&product=Total

Could someone with access please update this? ~~ EnergyAnalyst2 (talk) 10:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You are not able to update this article yourself? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:13, 4 November 2022 (UTC)