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People of Assam

I have reverted your recent edits because the cited sources says the Baganiya language is different from the Nagpuri language. Please do not keep inserting this POV. Chaipau (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chaipau:, I reverted you edit and replaced Assam Sadri in place of Sadri as Sadri language of Assam known as Assam Sadri and Bagania. Sources not mention Adivasia. Sadri is language of Sadan, the non-tribals people of Jharkhand not tribal so calling it as Adivasia is nothing but Propaganda of tribals of tea garden. Dev0745 (talk) 15:57, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, we just go by WP:RS. If a source says something, we go by it. Wikipedia is not the place to correct the propaganda of the tea garden tribals or anyone else. Chaipau (talk) 16:13, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Can you provide where it is mentioned the Assam Sadri is called Adivasia. Also as per my knowledge scholar have called it Assam Sadri or Bagania not Adivasia. Dev0745 (talk) 16:22, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Nagpuria people

Why you are trying to turn Nagpuria people into a poorly written "History of India"-type article?[1]

You have been doing this since 2018 and you were told then too,[2][3] that your edits are not relevant to "Nagpuria people".

Why you keep adding them back? There is a talk page discussion where you never responded: Talk:Nagpuria_people#Focus.

Your text is either unsourced or irrelevant or misrepresents sources. Even your most recent addition to his page[4] is irrelevant because it is unrelated to this subject. The source does not mention "Nagpuria" anywhere.[5] Dympies (talk) 06:13, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank for your suggestion. I was adding history of the Chotanagpur region. But I will try to remove which are irrelevant and but I think some thing are important in history section. Dev0745 (talk) 06:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

First of all, I don't think you are in a position to decide that since you are the one who added all of that irrelevant content to the article. You should restore my version and then carefully restore only the relevant parts. Dympies (talk) 06:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I also don't think you have right to remove all important materials which are added since 2018. There are many important materials related to Nagpuria people such as names, culture, communities etc. You are not admin.. If you want any changes, then talk with admin. Dev0745 (talk) 06:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

You don't need an admin to make a decision in content dispute. You are clearly showing WP:OWN behavior and evading concerning about your problematic editing (addition of irrelevant content and misrepresentation of sources). Dympies (talk) 15:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

First read WP:OWN carefully. It clearly state be cautious when removing or rewriting large amounts of content, particularly if this content was written by one editor; it is more effective to try to work with the editor than against them. So large amount of written material should not be removed. You are not the only person in Wikipedia who can decide. If you have any objection, you can edit any topic, but removing so much content is against Wikipedia policy. If you have confusion, you can talk with Admin. Dev0745 (talk) 15:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

You are showing page ownership by obstructing any attempt to improve the article. Do you understand that your own knowledge isn't enough and it needs to comply with WP:BLP and WP:VERIFY contrary to your claim here? Why would you even make this claim when I already cited BLP and lack of sources in my earlier edit[6]? Tell me you don't have a WP:CIR issue. Dympies (talk) 02:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

You need to check the article of the people before removing them. The added person are either native speaker of Nagpuri language, or caste which speak only nagpuri language such as Chik Baraik, Nagvanshi and Routia, you can check it. Some are prominent writers, musician of Nagpuri language and they belong to the caste which speak Nagpuri language. So your claim about WP:BLP and WP:VERIFY not hold ground. Dev0745 (talk) 02:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I just checked names like Bulu Chik Baraik, Lal Pingley Nath Shahdeo, Nikki Pradhan and others and there is no source or information in this article that confirms them to be "Nagpuria" people. I only see that you are unnecessarily adding "Category:Nagpuria people"[7][8][9] in these articles. Are you unaware of WP:CATDEF?

Why you restored this completely irrelevant content again here? It is partially related to history of Eastern India but nothing much with "Nagpuria people". It is ironic that you were opposing the addition of "irrelevant" content just below this section at User_talk:Dev0745#Requesting_few_inputs, while you are yourself promoting "irrelevant" content elsewhere. I sense this to be deceptive POV pushing on your part.

Apparently, you were topic banned by El C just 2 years ago and you were warned last time by Johnuniq for your disruptive editing just 1 month ago.[10] You are not only exhibiting WP:CIR at this stage but also showing disruptive WP:OWN behavior by obstructing every single improvement that is being made to the article. Your uncollaborative approach including the false claim that only admins can make decisions within content dispute as justification for your obstruction should be also noted by these admins and they should sanction you accordingly. Dympies (talk) 14:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Dympies: I would need two or three clear examples of an ongoing problem that a discussion has failed to resolve. They would have to be explained in simple terms that an admin with no topic knowledge can follow. There would need to be a genuine engagement with the points raised and nothing else should be discussed at the same time. That is, there would need to be a tight focus on the problem and replies would have to clearly address points raised without distractions. I know it's hard to get opinions from others but there should be an attempt, say at a wikiproject. Ping me if you can identify a couple of discussions, preferably on an article talk page, where I might be able to see a reason for administrative action. Johnuniq (talk) 02:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: The whole article Nagpuria people is created by Dev0745 and the problems are that he has: 1) used unreliable sources, 2) misrepresented sources, 3) added off-topic content, 4) added unsourced content, 5) he is showing WP:OWN behavior.

Some crucial diffs:-

1) adding people's name without any sources[11] but he claimed above that he is doing it because the pages of these people say they are "nagpuria" but I have shown an example that they don't and its just Dev0745 who is adding category "Nagpuria people" in those pages without any heed to WP:CATDEF.

2) Adding information nothing to do with the subject.[12] I already asked him about it and he is trying to justify it by replying below that "why would be this page be exception when other article of ethnic groups also talk about regional history". This is another example of completely off-topic addition with no relation to "Nagpuria people". This is just same.

3) Falsifying sources. I could find many but here I am providing you with the smallest and easiest examples to judge misrepresentation:

• Here.

Dev0745's text:

"Brahmins were unwilling to recognise them as Hindus and branded them as untouchable and were not performing rituals in their wedding ceremony."

Actual text:

"The only objections to their being recognized as Hindus has been their unclean habits."[13]

Its a clear-cut falsification because nowhere the source claim that "Brahmins were unwilling to recognise them as Hindus." Not to mention that he is using a source from 1896 to talk about this subject, contrary to WP:RAJ.

• Here.

Dev0745's text:

"Kashyap gotra found in very large numbers as many followers of non-vedic tradition were adopted it during 1st millennium CE due to spread of prosthelic activities of Brahmins."

Actual text from unreliable source he used:

"‘Kashyap’ is the universal gotra, possibly because, as in Srimad Bhagwat Puran saga of creation – dated to the latter half of the Christian millennium - , Maharishi Kashyap and his myriad wives generated the most varied and largest number of beings."

The source does not attribute "prosthelic activities of Brahmins" behind "Kashyap" gotra (lineage).

4) Using unreliable sources. Just here he used unreliable sources like "indpaedia.com", "Jharkhand General Knowledge 2022", "okworldguru.com", in a single edit.

There should be no doubt that Dev0745 has WP:CIR issues together with the problems I mentioned. This is not even the only article he has disrupted. The damage he is causing can be reviewed only if he is under some restriction. Dympies (talk) 13:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Dympies:, following are my points:

1) Notable people are added as they are sourced. Some people's mother tongue is nagpuri. Some belongs to only nagpuri speaking caste such as Chik Baraik, Nagvanshi, Rautia. Some belongs to caste who speak Nagpuri as well as other language but they are prominent writers, musician of Nagpuri language. Is it necessary that sources will say that they are from Nagpuria community not their mother tounge is nagpuri, belongs A or B caste (nagpuri speaking caste) or prominent writers of Nagpuri language and belong to the A or B caste (which speak Nagpuri language as well as other language).

2) The proto-history is connected to Sadan or Nagpuria people as according to some histrorian Copper Hoard people were early Aryan speaker also according to Jharkhand Co-ordination committee, Sadan or Nagpuria people are early Aryan speaker. So there is a clear connection with proto-history with Nagpuria people.

3)

• The article [14] is secondary scolarly article written in 2016 about situation of colonial period. Source is not direct colonial paper. I have corrected wording later. If the writing of situation during British rule citing secondary sources fall under Raj Era writings, then I think it should be removed.

• Is powerpolitics.in unreliable? How can anyone decide?

4) I can agree about Indpaedia, okworldguru (doesn't warranties completeness and accuracy which I read later). But do you think Jharkhand General knowledge of Prabhat Prakashan is unreliable? I think Prabhat Prakashan is leading publication. Also I have citied Psychology Press publication. Dev0745 (talk) 15:05, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I stated you earlier chik-Baraik, Bhogta and Nagvanshi are traditional speakers of Nagpuri language. You can check in communities section. Before accusing other about competent issue first look about your activity. You have removed huge content here[15] without verifing it which is against Wikipedia policy. And why would be this page be exception when other article of ethnic groups also talk about regional history such as Neolithic, Indus valley civilization, copper age etc. Punjabis, Bengali people, Sindhi people, Konkani people are few examples of this. Do you think this page is exception Dev0745 (talk) 15:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Requesting few inputs

@Dev0745

To help process of my self evaluation and improvement I seek following inputs from you.

• a) You deleted mention of vegetarian food found in Indus valley civilization. Not giving that information creates impression that only Non-vegetarian food was found.

From your talk page replies about other articles it seems that you have tried to retain information saying ".. I think some thing are important in history section. .." but you do not seem to apply similar argument in this case. Just trying to understand how important this deletion was important to you and why you did not find balancing information is not relevant to the articles neutrality?

• b) The earlier deletion is at least some what understandable in this deletion you seem to have deleted large chunk of well sourced information about "* Non-vegetarian cuisine from Indian Muslim communities " and you have not cited any information about your deletion in your edit summary either. Why did you delete it?

I would like to understand your point of view, may be that shall help me improve myself. Bookku (talk) 13:39, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@El C, Sorry before posting this message I did not see User @Dev0745 is under some old sanction. IDK if he was allowed to edit the article I am discussing and at least is he allowed to explain the above requested questions to me? Bookku (talk) 13:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry it did not strike me that the sanction is on very limited topic unrelated to the topic I am discussing here. Bookku (talk) 15:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Bookku:, I deleted mention of vegitarian ladoo as in pre histroric times, they were just ladoo not vegitarian ladoo. Also article is about non-vegetarian food not vegitarian food. The non-vegetarian dishes of muslims discussion about halal and haram, party, dowry, other food stuff like Mithai i.e sweets are I think out of topic. Dishes should be added but extensive discussion about other things are irrelevant. You can add non-vegetarian dishes but don't add other irrelevant topics.. Dev0745 (talk) 13:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your inputs, I shall study it further and come back to you if needed for any further improvements. Bookku (talk) 15:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks..Dev0745 (talk) 15:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Dev0745 I had few more questions /options to seek community inputs, so I have made an inputs request @ WP:RFN Bookku (talk) 07:42, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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