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* '''Keep'''. I find it highly likely that this topic meets GNG with hard-to-access sources. Rate played in the NFL, was [https://www.newspapers.com/image/37777266/?terms=rate%20purdue%20captain&match=1 team captain at Purdue] (one of the top cfb teams in the country), and I'm almost certain he has a SIGCOV biography in the book ''The Badgers: Milwaukee's NFL Entry of 1922-1926''. What makes it extremely difficult to find sources is the fact that newspapers of that period often discussed players just by their last name, and his last name is an '''extremely''' common word. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 20:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC) |
* '''Keep'''. I find it highly likely that this topic meets GNG with hard-to-access sources. Rate played in the NFL, was [https://www.newspapers.com/image/37777266/?terms=rate%20purdue%20captain&match=1 team captain at Purdue] (one of the top cfb teams in the country), and I'm almost certain he has a SIGCOV biography in the book ''The Badgers: Milwaukee's NFL Entry of 1922-1926''. What makes it extremely difficult to find sources is the fact that newspapers of that period often discussed players just by their last name, and his last name is an '''extremely''' common word. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 20:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC) |
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*:Wishful thinking is not good enough, nor are excuses to mask why reliable sources have not been proffered. You should be well aware of the provisions of [[WP:V]] by now: speculation doesn't count. [[User talk:Ravenswing|'''<span style="background:#2B22AA;color:#E285FF"> '' Ravenswing '' </span>''' ]] 05:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC) |
*:Wishful thinking is not good enough, nor are excuses to mask why reliable sources have not been proffered. You should be well aware of the provisions of [[WP:V]] by now: speculation doesn't count. [[User talk:Ravenswing|'''<span style="background:#2B22AA;color:#E285FF"> '' Ravenswing '' </span>''' ]] 05:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC) |
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*:This link says he was captain of the Third Team, not captain of Purdue. [[1920 Purdue Boilermakers football team]] says F. J. Birk was the team captain. Purdue was not one of the top teams in the country then! [[User:Reywas92|Reywas92]]<sup>[[User talk:Reywas92|Talk]]</sup> 16:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Redirect''' until sources are found and added per SPORTBASIC. The assertion that significant coverage is likely to exist is insufficient to establish notability anywhere on enwiki, and that goes double for sports biographies which must actually include SIGCOV sourcing in the article. –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 04:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC) |
*'''Redirect''' until sources are found and added per SPORTBASIC. The assertion that significant coverage is likely to exist is insufficient to establish notability anywhere on enwiki, and that goes double for sports biographies which must actually include SIGCOV sourcing in the article. –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 04:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC) |
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** Ah, I see, so when we know SIGCOV exists we just don't have hours of time to search and $40 to spend we just say "oh well" and get rid of the article. Makes sense. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 15:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC) |
** Ah, I see, so when we know SIGCOV exists we just don't have hours of time to search and $40 to spend we just say "oh well" and get rid of the article. Makes sense. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 15:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Fails WP:GNG and prong 5 of WP:SPORTBASIC. Article has for 11 years remained as a sub-stub unsupported by any SIGCOV, and my searches failed to find any. (I tried redirecting to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1923, but the redirect was reverted by User:BeanieFan11. A redirect remains a reasonable alternative to deletion IMO.) Cbl62 (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect per nom. We've gone over this extensively for over a year now; SIGCOV is required for sports articles, and simple participation has been deprecated. If User:BeanieFan11 is unprepared to do the work to properly source the articles, he does not now get to unilaterally decide to defy consensus-based notability standards. Either put up or shut up. Ravenswing 03:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: American football and Ohio. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I find it highly likely that this topic meets GNG with hard-to-access sources. Rate played in the NFL, was team captain at Purdue (one of the top cfb teams in the country), and I'm almost certain he has a SIGCOV biography in the book The Badgers: Milwaukee's NFL Entry of 1922-1926. What makes it extremely difficult to find sources is the fact that newspapers of that period often discussed players just by their last name, and his last name is an extremely common word. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wishful thinking is not good enough, nor are excuses to mask why reliable sources have not been proffered. You should be well aware of the provisions of WP:V by now: speculation doesn't count. Ravenswing 05:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- This link says he was captain of the Third Team, not captain of Purdue. 1920 Purdue Boilermakers football team says F. J. Birk was the team captain. Purdue was not one of the top teams in the country then! Reywas92Talk 16:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect until sources are found and added per SPORTBASIC. The assertion that significant coverage is likely to exist is insufficient to establish notability anywhere on enwiki, and that goes double for sports biographies which must actually include SIGCOV sourcing in the article. –dlthewave ☎ 04:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I see, so when we know SIGCOV exists we just don't have hours of time to search and $40 to spend we just say "oh well" and get rid of the article. Makes sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC)