Talk:Forum for Democracy

Membership numbers

Hi @Melchior Philips: the critical statement is not really accurate anymore, as the 2021' numbers were verified. See this statement. So it should be rewritten, but can perhaps be best left out because the previous numbers are in line with the 2021 numbers. Dajasj (talk) 19:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Dajasj:, the amount of members per party is not verified by the DNPP, or any other organisation. The numbers are declared by the political parties and then reported without external verification. The FvD claims a sustained growth, the largest of any party, that is incongruent with their political results, as pointed out by the sources provided. Since reliable secondary literature exists that is sceptical about the FvD's membership numbers, I believe it can stay with the current wording. Melchior Philips (talk) 15:30, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, the statement mentions that an accountant has verified the membership. I would argue that at least "in the past" should be added to the current wording, as that reflects the current assesment. Dajasj (talk) 15:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, my apologies. I had read the statement but missed the addendum in the footnote that indeed indicates that a notary declaration was included. NOS also reported on this. I will reword it to "in the past," indeed. Melchior Philips (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Fascism

There is a lot of debate in the scientific community if FvD is fascist or not. Is there a way we can add this ideology (adding this I personally think is justified) while still keeping some nuance? Like a tag (I would think of a “factions” think but with something indicating the public and scientific debate). I think this change is important to remind people who don’t know a lot about Dutch politics that FvD isn’t some normal hard line conservative populist party. 89.205.133.62 (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

There is already consensus about their ideology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Forum_for_Democracy/Archive_1#Infobox_-_ideology;_March_2021. Later we added far right and your source is a opinion Shadow4dark (talk) 17:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Russia-Ukraine — better source

The article says Baudet took the Russian position on the Russian intervention in the Ukrainian civil conflict. However, the source it gives states that Baudet’s opponents accused him of doing so, not that he actually did it. The insults of opponents don’t count as a proper source, even when they’re reported, without endorsement, by state media. I want to the party YouTube channel and found a video condemning the Russian intervention but saying there’s context strategic to it, which “does not justify” the intervention but does explain it. Hardly an endorsement of the Russian presentation of the war. It seems to me Baudet, in fact, does not support the conflict or the way it has supposedly been presented in Russia but merely wants to find a way to end it as quickly as possible and prevent such things from happening in the future. And not waste his time at parliament in ceremoniously repeating his condemnation as a mere, useless gesture. If you want that section to remain unaltered, I would recommend finding a source that actually backs up the claim, rather than merely noting it has been used as an attack by his opponents, as the current citation does. NatriumGedrogt (talk) 01:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)