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== Miss Cleo's occupation == |
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'''(Please note that this section is ''not'' part of the RfC.)'''<br> |
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There is currently an active RfC about whether we should say that Miss Cleo "is" a psychic or "describes herself as a psychic." To list her occupation as "Psychic, shaman" at this point in time tremendously complicates things. If you wish to make this change, I only ask that you please hold off until the RfC is fully concluded (by around the middle of September). At that time it will be clear whether or not listing her occupation as such is consistent with what the rest of the article will say. I appreciate your cooperation in this matter.<br>[[User:Richard27182|Richard27182]] ([[User talk:Richard27182|talk]]) 08:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC) |
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:There is some discussion on whether to split it into two pages too. If the page '''is''' split, only Miss Cleo and not the actress would be a psychic. [[User:Jerodlycett|Jerod Lycett]] ([[User talk:Jerodlycett|talk]]) 01:55, 3 September 2015 (UTC) |
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:A topic can only be split to a separate article if it satisfies [[WP:N]], and I doubt there is sufficient material for two articles about notable topics. Far too much time is being spent on this minor issue—no one '''''is''''' a psychic because such things do not exist. Therefore, some alternative wording is necessary because the principle at [[WP:Real world]] applies—[[Peter Capaldi]] is an ''actor'', not a ''time lord''. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:59, 7 September 2015 (UTC) |
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I came here to read the RfC (which I do not think is a minor issue - but one which has serious implications for all articles dealing with subjects related to what people or groups believe or claim to believe independent of scientific or historical research, i.e. almost all articles dealing with religion). However, in the article I noticed the line " It emerged that Harris was actually born in Los Angeles, and that her parents were U.S. citizens." This wording implies that she was claiming something different. But there is not content in the article detailing this. [[User:Tiptoethrutheminefield|Tiptoethrutheminefield]] ([[User talk:Tiptoethrutheminefield|talk]]) 17:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC) |
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== Source for the character "Miss Cleo" == |
== Source for the character "Miss Cleo" == |
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Source for the character "Miss Cleo"
At present the article has "The Psychic Readers Network is said to have coined the title 'Miss Cleo'" and cites "Phone psychics' scam follows script". Erie Times-News. December 1, 2001. p. 2. I checked the web sites goerie.com and timespublishingcompany.com for "Phone psychics' scam follows script" or "Miss Cleo" but neither of them has this article on line.
The puzzle is this seattlepi.com article which says "Back then, she was known as Ree Perris and had written a play called 'For Women Only.' In it, Perris played a Jamaican woman named Cleo." If that's accurate then Youree Harris created the character and the Psychic Readers Network adopted it.
For now, I decided to not update the article as I'd want to see better sourcing for who developed the character. At one time the Psychic Readers Network seems to have owned the rights to it.
FWIW, the same seattlepi.com article says she was also known as Ree Perris, Youree Cleomili, Youree Dell Harris, Youree Perris, Rae Dell Harris, Cleomili Perris Youree, Cleomili Harris, and finally, well known as Miss Cleo. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
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Miss Cleo → Youree Dell Harris – Proposing rename because the article is about actress/media personality Youree Dell Harris, and "Miss Cleo" is essentially a character she frequently played. I don't think it would fall under WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PSEUDONYM because Miss Cleo wasn't a stage name she could freely use, it was a character created and owned by Psychic Readers Network who Harris was hired to play, and her other credits like voice over have been under her real name. In recent high quality entertainment sources like EW, it refers to the portrayer as Youree Dell Harris and Miss Cleo as a character. For another precedent for a performer primarily known for one character, Cassandra Peterson's article is not named Elvira. --Shivertimbers433 (talk) 23:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
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