Talk:Miss Cleo

Source for the character "Miss Cleo"

At present the article has "The Psychic Readers Network is said to have coined the title 'Miss Cleo'" and cites "Phone psychics' scam follows script". Erie Times-News. December 1, 2001. p. 2. I checked the web sites goerie.com and timespublishingcompany.com for "Phone psychics' scam follows script" or "Miss Cleo" but neither of them has this article on line.

The puzzle is this seattlepi.com article which says "Back then, she was known as Ree Perris and had written a play called 'For Women Only.' In it, Perris played a Jamaican woman named Cleo." If that's accurate then Youree Harris created the character and the Psychic Readers Network adopted it.

For now, I decided to not update the article as I'd want to see better sourcing for who developed the character. At one time the Psychic Readers Network seems to have owned the rights to it.

FWIW, the same seattlepi.com article says she was also known as Ree Perris, Youree Cleomili, Youree Dell Harris, Youree Perris, Rae Dell Harris, Cleomili Perris Youree, Cleomili Harris, and finally, well known as Miss Cleo. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 4 December 2022

Miss Cleo → Youree Dell Harris – Proposing rename because the article is about actress/media personality Youree Dell Harris, and "Miss Cleo" is essentially a character she frequently played. I don't think it would fall under WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PSEUDONYM because Miss Cleo wasn't a stage name she could freely use, it was a character created and owned by Psychic Readers Network who Harris was hired to play, and her other credits like voice over have been under her real name. In recent high quality entertainment sources like EW, it refers to the portrayer as Youree Dell Harris and Miss Cleo as a character. For another precedent for a performer primarily known for one character, Cassandra Peterson's article is not named Elvira. --Shivertimbers433 (talk) 23:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:43, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Miss Cleo is what's notable; Youree Harris is only notable because of Miss Cleo. If we want to make a separate article for Youree Harris the person, that's fine, but I suspect it may fail WP:N. I'd rewrite the article from this point of view, something like "Miss Cleo was a spokeswoman for psychic pay-per-call service Psychic Readers Network, portrayed by Youree Dell Harris in a series of television commercials that aired from 1997 to 2003." 162 etc. (talk) 17:53, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per Cassandra Peterson, Larry Vincent. Those are actors who portrayed a character, but their articles are biographies of the actor, like this is a biography of Harris. For a character, we can see how articles like Flo (Progressive) have no biographical detail of the actor. I don't think there's enough content to justify separate pages for Harris and Miss Cleo, but I could be mistaken. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per Muboshgu. Shwcz (talk) 15:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom, Muboshgu, and my 2015 comments at Talk:Miss_Cleo/Archive_2#RFC:_How_to_describe_Miss_Cleo_in_her_article. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)