Talk:Eighth generation of video game consoles

Links to the seventh and ninth generation articles

So I was kind of "binge" reading the articles about video game generation. I looked for the link to go to the ninth gen in the "see also" section, but it wasn't there. Neither was the link to the seventh-gen. I added the links. Are they supposed to be there, though? Was there a reason? CadeKimbrough08 (talk) 16:57, 5 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CadeKimbrough08 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Because these are links in the various navigation boxes on the page, they don't belong in the See Also section. --Masem (t) 16:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

My bad. CadeKimbrough08 (talk) 19:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Same Generation?

What genius put, and keeps it there, The Switch in the same generation as the system it replaced? The Switch is not 8th but in the 9th generation. No donations this month until t his is corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.117.182.52 (talk) 18:06, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Console generations are defined not by technical improvements but by which systems they were considered to compete against. The Switch, given current reliable sources, has competed primarily against the Xbox One and PS4, so makes it a 8th generation system. It may also be a 9th generation competing against the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S, but we don't have enough data for that yet. --Masem (t) 18:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

FYI, Resetera is up in arms over the generations classifications today, so expect some more less-than-constructive commentary like the above. Sergecross73 msg me 18:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

The Genesis competed with the NES. Just as well, the Dreamcast briefly competed with the PS1. If you analyze the Switch by the same standards, it's easy to see it as the first 9th gen system. --186.242.243.153 (talk) 02:57, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Statista lists the Switch with the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S . Perhaps it's time the system is migrated to the 9th generation.142.161.249.114 (talk) 17:33, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Statista is an unreliable source on Wikipedia. -- ferret (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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Oculus systems

Shouldn't the Oculus systems (Quest 1 and 2, Go) be included, since they're technically handheld consoles with their own libraries and exclusive games? Endianer (talk) 18:32, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

We can add a section on other hardware, and include the VR devices (Ocilulus, PSVR, etc), as well as cloud gaming options. --Masem (t) 18:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Are they consoles per se? There becomes some question as to where the line is drawn. Virtual reality headset never calls them consoles, for example. --Jayron32 18:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

They can be both VR headsets and consoles. The fact they're centered on the VR gimmick doesn't make them any less consoles, just like the Wii and 3DS were consoles with their own gimmicks. The Quest and Go are definitely their own systems that can run on their own, unlike the Rift or PSVR. You don't need a PC to play games on them. IIRC, Oculus even marketed the Quest as a VR-centric console. Endianer (talk) 19:01, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't see them being called consoles generally. I wouldn't mention them outside of a passing mention... Sergecross73 msg me 19:01, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

How do we even define consoles? Because as far as I can tell they fulfill all the criteria. Endianer (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Do you have sources that call them consoles? Because the term "VR console" is essentially unknown according to ngrams. It's not a term that is used to describe them. --Jayron32 19:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Sure. A quick google search shows that a number of reliable sources refer to them as consoles, like CNET or The Verge. Endianer (talk) 19:11, 8 December 2022 (UTC)