Talk:Shroud of Turin

Herringbone IS NOT a complex weave

So I made perhaps my first ever Bold edit on wikipedia on the subsection of Historical fabrics, so please “don’t kill me” for this. As much as I respect Joe Nickell’s work on the shroud, to put it bluntly he is a idiot when it comes to “complex” weaves. Anyone who has studied textiles knows that herringbone is not a “complex” weave, it is incredibly simple. Nickells ignorance to the subject of weaves is embarrassing, is also very misleading. My edit doesn’t denounce any findings and I still kept the reference, but I just removed the part that is obvious misinformation. Wolfquack (talk) 18:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

WAXS Study Dates Shroud to Time of Christ

A new scientific method revealed that the Shroud of Turin may truly originate from the 1st Century, around the time of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Italian scientist Liberato De Caro told the National Catholic Register (NCR) in April 2022 that his fabric test shows the Shroud is roughly 2,000 years old. De Caro and his colleagues made the discovery by utilizing a technique called "Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering" (WAXS). Why can’t a reference to this study be added to Wikipedia?? Do you edit out truth?? 2601:681:5782:A00:11F7:2BD:B3CF:BDBE (talk) 23:49, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Can you provide a reference to a reliable source for those claims? Please and thanks? Dumuzid (talk) 23:51, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Is there any independent evidence whatsoever (i.e., not De Caro or their group) that Wide-angle X-ray scattering can be used as a technique for dating samples? If it was such a useful and powerful technique, I would have expected my on-line search to reveal all sorts of information along those lines. But no. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 00:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

The closest my search came to anything useful was this, which does feature an "accelerator." JoJo Anthrax (talk) 00:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud’s Linen Sample April 2022Heritage 5(2):860-870 DOI:10.3390/heritage5020047 LicenseCC BY 4.0 Truth in Erda (talk) 00:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

X-Ray Dating of Ancient Linen Fabrics November 2019Heritage 2(4):2763-2783 DOI:10.3390/heritage2040171 LicenseCC BY Authors: Liberato De Caro at Italian National Research Council Liberato De Caro Italian National Research Council Cinzia Giannini at National Resarch Council CNR Cinzia Giannini National Resarch Council CNR R. Lassandro at Italian National Research Council R. Lassandro Italian National Research Council Francesco Scattarella at Università degli Studi di Bari Aldo Moro Francesco Scattarella Università degli Studi di Bari Aldo Moro

Truth in Erda (talk) 00:19, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

See Talk:Shroud of Turin/Archive 19. Why do we have to repeat the same discussion? --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

This talk page probably needs a FAQ subpage to be written, and then transcluded above using {{FAQ}}. Mathglot (talk) 09:54, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

This article has heavy POV problems

This article appears to advocate HEAVILY for the shroud to be a middle age forgery. As an atheist, I recently watched BBC documentary on the subject, and was fascinated that what I thought was a forgery in fact has more to it and that it is being reconsidered, only to discover a completely one sided article.

The problems of the article are numerous: It just states that "all attempts to disprove C14 dating were discredited" without going into the controversy at all. It is a substantial story, with peer reviewed papers that were completely omitted (and relegated to another specific article). It mentions various possible mechanisms of picture production, without stating in the intro that none have been able to reproduce the image. It presents what are essentially answers to arguments of the side that argues for older date of the shroud - without presenting the arguments it counters. It strikes me as a surprisingly dishonest and one-sided article. This is not how you adhere to NPOV policy. There is a fragment of scientific community - that is not even fringe, many of them are Jewish, agnostics, the Catholic church has their own researchers who publish articles, that fact alone as well as their arguments should certainly be presented. If BBC documentary is making point about the controversy, if reconstructions are being made of the "mystery man" in 3D, if thousands of hours of research - there seems to be even whole department in Catholic church that studies this - are done, and nothing is even MENTIONED in the article, that strikes me as rather strange. Where is the part about 1978 research done by american team consisting of non-Christian scientists? This article is as POV as I have ever seen here.

I have just checked version from 2012, reading through past discussions, and it appears to be far more balanced. What happened to this article? It has apparently undergone some very unhealthy edit war.