Talk:Street racing

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 August 2019 and 13 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Marcolanda1. Peer reviewers: Jacquelynvega97, Kimc2k9.

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This is a real class where people edit articles?? Slowpoke1 (talk) 13:27, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Original research and lack of references in entire sections

This really needs to be looked at. I've added tags and I hope I have time to get on it soon. ƒingers^on_Roids 01:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

This IP is from Canada and made an edit which I've reverted because it looks a lot like an attempt to change this article into propaganda against street racing, hopefully just some idiot vandal though. Barfnz (talk) 10:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Which one did you revert? Slowpoke1 (talk) 13:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Evo Street Racers who?

Can anyone offer a reason not to delete everything related to Evo Street Racers that was recently added to this article? The claims that they are an "authority" and that they are "official" sound like unsupported self-promotion to me. As far as I can tell http://www.evostreetracers.com/ is a commercial web site (with no obvious business model but that's no surprise) hosting blogs, community forums and social networking. None of which qualifies it as a reliable source by WP standards.--Dbratland (talk) 20:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

ELandry1979 (talk) 20:31, 24 September 2009 (UTC)I am new too Wikipedia so I apologize if I am not using the correct guidelines in responding.

I have done extensive research on the topic of illegal street racing for a report that I am writing at my university. As part of the project we must integrate Wikipedia into the content. Should content be missing on the topic we are to add it to Wikipedia and explain how and why we did it in our report in an effort to increase the reporting standards of the internet.

When researching the topic I came across a website entitled Evo Street Racers. I have also spoken with a representative from their organization. They are not commercial site, rather a none-profit organization composed of volunteers. My reserach reflects that they have put together the largest database of Illegal Street racing information and active programs to reduce it. Should you disagree I welcome you to visit their website and compare it to anyone else in the world. I was amazed that Wiki did not reflect information pertaining to their efforts especially since they have been around since 2003.

FYI: Their model in conducting business and reducing the problem is called the Evolution Solution.

Perhaps you can help me with my report by ensuring that I am writing within the guidelines of Wiki.most people have a honda for facing.

Thanks!

Eric

--ELandry1979 (talk)

First, read WP:V and WP:RS. This will help you understand that just because somebody has a web site, that is not enough reason to justify citing them on Wikipeida. Evo Street Racing boasts that they are a recognized authority, but where is the evidence of that? Can you point out anyone who cites them as an authority? Any books, major magazines or newspapers? Do any authors cite them?

From what I can tell, the answer is no. They are just a web site claiming they are an authority. If you disagree, can you point out citations? --Dbratland (talk) 20:41, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

No book, major magazine, or newspaper is ever going to cite someone as an authority on street racing, as it's an illegal activity and no real authority on the source would reveal their identity to them. Slowpoke1 (talk) 13:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

No book, major magazine, or newspaper is ever going to cite someone as an authority on street racing, as it's an illegal activity and no real authority on the source would reveal their identity to them. Slowpoke1 (talk) 13:25, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Street roadracing rules

This may be controversial. Nothing here is implied to suggest breaking any laws or operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner. Nonetheless these activities take place every day, wherever there are drivers and roads. Street Road Racing, where not prohibited, involves three simple rules. The role of leader and pursuer may change many times during contention, there can be only one winner. • 1. The Winner is in front at the finish. • 2. The Leader chooses the course. • 3. The finish is when the Pursuer quits. Unorganized, unregulated, spontaneous, low speed contests between strangers, are probably the most common of all motor sports confrontations. From the first cross continental races, to the last person you prevented from passing. Your use of a motor vehicle in an attempt to out-gain, out-distance, prevent another vehicle from passing or to arrive someplace first, constitutes a Street Race. You cannot ignore the fact that people bet their lives on winning every day. Victory in all of these cases is covered by these essential rules.

-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo- (talk) 19 January 2005 (UTC)

What is your source for this information? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Part of it is from the driving manuel for the State of California. Movies like American Graffiti, and Two lane blacktop, showed spontaneous racing. You cannot deny that spontaneous racing takes place every day. What do we call it when you use of a motor vehicle in an attempt to out-gain, out-distance, prevent another vehicle from passing you, or to arrive someplace first. How can we have a post about Unorganized, unregulated racing. Then go on to just talk about sanctioned regulated racing only.

-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo- (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

American Graffiti and Two Lane Blacktop were works of fiction, not documentaries. If you have specifics from the California driver's manual you can cite, please tell us the page number and which facts you're citing, and I'll see if the facts can be verified. The manual is online, right?

"You cannot deny..." Is not the same as verifiability. There is an infinite amount of information in the universe that "cannot be denied" but that in of itself doesn't make it verifiable. Wikipedia exists to document a small subset of the universe's information: the verifiable part. That's why original research is banned. There are things in this world you have to learn someplace other than Wikipedia because of the verifiability policy, but what's so bad about that? It makes the encyclopedia possible, and nobody ever promised that Wikipedia had all the answers on all things. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Dennis Bratland here. Movies are not reliable sources for this type of street racing. The California driver's manual must be closely examined as to how, or even if, it describes this type of racing to see if it is acceptable as a source. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 03:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

2009 Kansas Statutes Annotated ~ Statute 8-1565: Racing on highways; ~ (c) As used in this section, "racing" means the use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to out-gain, out-distance or prevent another vehicle from passing, to arrive at a given destination ahead of another vehicle or vehicles, or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long distance driving routes. [23]

Racing on Highways ~ In regards to “Racing on the Highways”, the Officer will normally testify that you sped up in order to prevent somebody from passing. [24]

CITY of ALBUQUERQUE CODE ~ The use of one or more vehicles to willfully prevent another vehicle from lawfully passing shall also be a violation of this section. [25]

-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo- (talk) 04:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

And where in these manuals is it mentioned that:

Street Road Racing, where not prohibited, involves three simple rules. The role of leader and pursuer may change many times during contention, there can be only one winner. 1. The Winner is in front at the finish. 2. The Leader chooses the course. 3. The finish is when the Pursuer quits.? Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 04:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

North Dakota 39-08-03.1. Exhibition driving and drag racing ~ "Race" means the use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to outgain, outdistance, or to arrive at a given distance ahead of another vehicle or vehicles; or the use of one or more vehicles to willfully prevent another vehicle from passing the racing vehicle or vehicles, or to test the physical stamina or endurance of the persons driving the vehicles over a long-distance driving route. [26]

Hawaii §291C-103 Racing on highways ~ (c) "Racing" means the use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to outgain, outdistance, or prevent another vehicle from passing, to arrive at a given destination ahead of another vehicle or vehicles, or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long distance driving routes. [27]

Penn ~ § 3367. Racing on highways. ~ "Race." The use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to outgain, outdistance or prevent another vehicle from passing, to arrive at a given destination ahead of another vehicle or vehicles, or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long distance driving routes. [28]

-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo- (talk) 04:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The role of leader and pursuer may change many times during contention, there can be only one winner.

In the Wikipedia page for Tōge it says “The lead car wins if the space between the cars increases considerably, while the following car wins if they overtake the lead car. If any car spins out or crashes, the other car wins the race. In the event of the following car keeping pace, the race is usually rerun with the positions swapped.” [29] Without citation. But this is not the case with spontaneous racing between strangers.

Like most contests, the winner is in front at the finish. I can show you this for sanctioned racing, but by its very nature unsanctioned undocumented spontaneous street racing as no formal manual. Even thought it takes place everyday all over the world.

The Leader chooses the course.

How can the car in back show the way at each fork in the road. The ideal of course is when the winner looses the pursuer, but when the pursuer quits the course chosen by the leader usually the contest is ended.

Alabama Code - Section 32-5A-178: ~ (c) "Racing" is defined as the use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to outgain, outdistance or prevent another vehicle from passing, to arrive at a given destination ahead of another vehicle or vehicles, or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long distance driving routes. [30]

The 2011 Florida Statutes 316.191 ~ (c)“Race” means the use of one or more motor vehicles in competition, arising from a challenge to demonstrate superiority of a motor vehicle or driver and the acceptance or competitive response to that challenge, either through a prior arrangement or in immediate response, in which the competitor attempts to outgain or outdistance another motor vehicle, to prevent another motor vehicle from passing, to arrive at a given destination ahead of another motor vehicle or motor vehicles, or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long-distance driving routes. A race may be prearranged or may occur through a competitive response to conduct on the part of one or more drivers, which, under the totality of the circumstances, can reasonably be interpreted as a challenge to race.

-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo- (talk) 04:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

That sounds fine. Just leave out the part about the winner and loser, and the claims that it happens "every day" whatever that actually means. Or that spontaneous contests are "probably" the most common racing. Cite the laws for some definitions of racing if you think the article needs a legal definition, and keep looking for good sources on the other bits. It would be very worthwhile if sources could be found, but there's no shortcuts. That's where the challenge comes from. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Everything is subject to verifiability per WP:V. If no sources can be found to support these "winners", "losers" etc, then these assertions must stay out. This may be an elusive phenomenon but so are alien abductions and noone is advocating seriously to allow alleged UFO abductees to write articles here without sources. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 04:55, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Spontaneous racing

Spontaneous contests between strangers usually take place on paved roads. The role of leader and pursuer may change many times during contention, but there can be only one winner at the finish. The challenger follows the leader and the finish is when the chaser quits pursuit. Unorganized, unregulated, spontaneous, low speed contests between strangers, are the most common of all motor sports confrontations. From the first cross continental races, to the last person you prevented from passing. Any use of a motor vehicle in an attempt to out-gain, out-distance, prevent another vehicle from passing, or to arrive someplace first, or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long-distance driving routes is a race. A race may be prearranged or may occur through a competitive response to conduct on the part of one or more drivers, which, under the totality of the circumstances, can reasonably be interpreted as a challenge to race. [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38]

I'd like to give this a try.

-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo- (talk) 05:26, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Can you quote any of your sources saying: The role of leader and pursuer may change many times during contention, but there can be only one winner at the finish. The challenger follows the leader and the finish is when the chaser quits pursuit. Unorganized, unregulated, spontaneous, low speed contests between strangers, are the most common of all motor sports confrontations. From the first cross continental races, to the last person you prevented from passing... or is this your personal opinion? Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 05:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

You are not answering my questions and you are adding your material without the agreement of the other editors who take part in this discussion. There is no consensus for this original research. Please see also the edit-warring policy. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 13:04, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, this has to stop. None of these legal codes comes close to supporting the claims that were added to the article. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 13:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. In fact if the legal codes included all these details they wouldn't be codes in the first place. Legal documents don't use this type of descriptions and language. Tabloids do. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 18:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

What part of the article is this discussion about? Slowpoke1 (talk) 12:35, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Anti-reptile and grossly NPOV

This Highway is also known for its nickname being "the Highway of Death" coming from the fact the surrounding are only swamp, alligators, snakes, and also because it is not a place easy of access for fire-rescue units, ambulances or police.

The surroundings are most certainly *not* only swaps, alligators, and snakes, and this is certainly not a "fact" as claimed in the article. The Florida Everglades is of course a diverse ecosystem consisting of flora and fauna not exclusively of the "evil" reptilian variety. If the original editor claims this as "fact", then the editor needs to provide appropriate citations or remove this statement.

AFAIK, nobody involved in racing has died along US-27 as the result of snakes, alligators, or any other life form besides human beings and their cars.

Also, if US-27 is cited as "mainly" used by "18 wheelers", then this needs a citation. US-27 is mainly used by passenger vehicles, but definitely has a high concentration of commercial vehicles as compared to other South Florida transit routes.

This paragraph is ignorant and grossly violates WP standards in regards to NPOV and original research. This is post-Erwin Animal Planet anti-reptile hysteria and is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.203.61.179 (talk) 07:50, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Then why don't you change it? This *is* a wiki, after all.

98.84.23.106 (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Silly fake street sign image

WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE gives copious reasons why a cartoon of a fake street sign made up by a Wikipedia editor is inappropriate. Images are meant to convey information and illustrate things that exist. Not make visual jokes with no reference in the real world. The caption about "ready, set, go" is not relevant to the image, and not mentioned in the article. The assertion that races are started this way is unsourced, and in any case a phony street sign is not the way to illustrate it. Given the lack of useful or meaningful information contained in the image, it offers no benefits to offset the risk that a reader might interpret it as being real. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE gives reasons for it to stay. "Images must be relevant to the article that they appear in and be significantly and directly related to the article's topic [...]. Effort should therefore be made to improve quality and choice of images or captions in articles rather than favoring their removal, especially on pages which have few visuals. [...] images should look like what they are meant to illustrate, even if they are not provably authentic images." This article has no images at all. Just because the one I added looks like a mere silly joke to you, it doesn't mean it won't help illustrate the article. Anyway, finding a source and stating that the sign is a fake will make it OK, so I'll provide them later. Victão Lopes ^Fala! 23:32, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Why not just get an actual photo? What's the point of going to all this effort for such an absurd image? What are we getting from this fake street sign that's so valuable? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:43, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

If you want an actual photo, just go get it. We don't add things to Wikipedia because they are "so valuable", we add them because they are useful. And I didn't make any effort to add it, you're the one battling to keep it away, even though it has not violated any guidelines. Victão Lopes ^Fala! 03:31, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Modern street racing traces its roots back to Woodward Avenue, Michigan

This certainly needs a citation. It seems unlikely (given the long history of rally racing in Europe) that anyone can point to the origins of unsanctioned racing on public roads with such certainty. In lieu of a substantiation for this claim I think an edit is necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatrickGillin (talk • contribs) 22:37, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

No one thinks of rally racing as street racing. No one. Slowpoke1 (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Poorly written

This entire article is poorly written and very un-encyclopedic. I changed some of it, but I don’t have the time to fix those whole article FearThyMoose (talk) 03:15, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Touge section is a borderline lost cause

The entire block of text has no citations, with the single one referenced leading to a dead URL. Half of the text relies on interpretations from an anime, and the other half refers to a mystery video that has no corresponding link. - Anonymous 08:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.125.88.151 (talk)

Prem

Aren't the police gonna catch them 116.74.218.131 (talk) 15:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)